Has Obama taken away any guns yet?

[Bill]

http://hasobamatakenawayourgunsyet.com/

[Independent Harry]

lol funny shit

[Hog Trash]

Has Obama taken away any guns yet?
Obama is now, and always has been anti-gun/anti-Second Amendment.

All you need do is check out his "gun rights" legislative history in Illinois.

You voted for a man who you don't really know much about, or you're in serious denial.
Gun Owners not Welcome on Obama's White House Team
Illinois State Rifle Association

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SPRINGFIELD, Ill., Nov. 13 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following was released today by the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA):

In yet another example of hostility towards lawful firearm owners, the Obama transition team is weeding out applicants for White House positions who own firearms themselves, or who come from firearm-owning families.
http://www.sunherald.com/prnewswire/story/954052.html
"Yes We Can . . . Ban Guns"
--Obama Announces Gun Ban Agenda Before The Final Vote Count Is In
Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign slogan, "the audacity of hope," should have instead been "the audacity of deceit." After months of telling the American people that he supports the Second Amendment, and only hours after being declared the president-elect, the Obama transition team website announced an agenda taken straight from the anti-gun lobby--four initiatives designed to ban guns and drive law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers out of business.
http://www.nraila.org/Keep in mind, he ain't even in office yet.

[Moby]

Keep in mind, he ain't even in office yet.
And your programmers are already calling it the "Obama Recession" :lmao2:

When are you going to stop listening to the sheep herders, stop letting them scare you into an emotional frenzy and start thinking rationally?

[Moby]

Hog, here's the most important thing that you could ever read. Secrets of Talk Radio (http://dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=7061)

[hdmarketing]

http://hasobamatakenawayourgunsyet.com/

It's coming, just give him a chance to finish "Spreading The Wealth" first.

[doctordog]

I went to an auction yesterday and a $125 shotgun brought over $200 and a S&W 9mm brought $425 when it should have been $225-$250. The gun dealers should be kissing Obama's ass.

[SeniorChief]

I don't even know how many guns I own.

Seriously.

Perhaps one day I should take an inventory.

[ROdger Right]

I don't even know how many guns I own.

Seriously.

Perhaps one day I should take an inventory.
nah just take picutres in case it burns down or something for the insurance company

[ROdger Right]

And your programmers are already calling it the "Obama Recession" :lmao2:

When are you going to stop listening to the sheep herders, stop letting them scare you into an emotional frenzy and start thinking rationally?
sheep, mere sheep easily disperesed by taking out the shepard

[Bill]

in the fine tradition of http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

I own more than 6, less than a dozen. And a couple of cases worth of ammunition.

Enough. But I could get a few more. Shooting is fun, a very pleasant hobby.

[Linkster]

His real record on guns:

Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)

sounds like common sense to me - and certainly not agains anyones 2nd amendment rights - which Ive never believed applied to someone that broke the law - they lost that right as soon as they committed the crime - and yes I do own many guns as well

on a side note I see the Supreme Court finally figured out that DC homeowners can have guns in their house (which the way the DC ban was written - they couldnt)

[Hog Trash]

And your programmers are already calling it the "Obama Recession" :lmao2:

When are you going to stop listening to the sheep herders, stop letting them scare you into an emotional frenzy and start thinking rationally?Hmmm?...Didn't the stock market close at -400 points on Nov 5, in reaction to Obama being elected? :confused:

Yes, I would say we're in for some bad times, mainly because investors have no faith in Obama's experiance, or lack there of.

This was a bad time to elect someone, just because of their race. We're in for some serious shit...What have you done to us?

[Linkster]

HT - the market has closed down 400 points or more many many times - both before and after elections over history - might want to do some research into wall street insiders as they control those swings for their own profits(since they are still allowed to sell short) - news media just needs some way to explain it to the public so they "blame" it on whatever happens the day before so they look "smart" - its been going on for decades and it works just the way the seat holders like it on the exchange :thumbsup:

investors actually usually are more comfortable with democrats in the presidency as that usually means more money for them - expanded economies have primarily occurred in democrat let presidencies over the years while contractions usually occur in republican administrations - the only time this doesnt work too well is when there is a war draining one side of the economy and contractions at the same time like what is happening to Bush right now (investors have lost confidence in Bush being able to fix the housing markets)

[Hog Trash]

His real record on guns:
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)Best self-defense weapon made...How many criminals do you suppose won't get a handgun because of the ban?...He only disarmed law-abiding citizens.
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)Better local than national...Liberal state voters who believe "gun bans" reduce crime, live in a fantasy world.
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)I'm sure every murderer, drug dealer and bank robber will rush right down to the police station and "license" their gun.
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)You have no idea how many places people can buy guns. Buying illegal guns is easier and less hassle than buying legal.
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)Only police officers have a right to defend themselves and their families???...Do you have your own private cop, Linkster???
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)This is so rediculous, that it's rediculous..."Unscrupulous gun dealers" are extremely regulated and watched by the BATF...They don't stay licensed very long. This law was enacted by the anti-gun lobby, solely to harrass honest gun dealers .
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)Damn, do you mean only criminals live in the inner city???...If that's the case, the law is justified.
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)Dumbest, do nothing law ever enacted. Dealt mainly with gun cosmetics. Another do nothing, feel good law by the liberal anti-gun lobby...Idiots!
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)Lets see...If a criminal breaks in my house, blazin away with his 9 MM, I'm suppose to get out my trusty single-shot 410 shotgun, with my birdshot load, and defend my home and family???...Hmmm?....sounds like I might be at a slight disadvantage, unless of course the intruder is a law-abiding criminal, and doesn't own a 9MM.
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)Do I really need to explain the absurdity of this law???...Nigga pleez!
sounds like common sense to me - and certainly not agains anyones 2nd amendment rights - which Ive never believed applied to someone that broke the law - they lost that right as soon as they committed the crime - and yes I do own many guns as well

on a side note I see the Supreme Court finally figured out that DC homeowners can have guns in their house (which the way the DC ban was written - they couldnt)The liberal anti-gun lobby wants to ban all private gun ownership in America...It is their ultmate goal...They have come to the realization that Americans will not willingly give up their 2nd Amendment rights without a fight...They have resorted to plan B...Chip away at gun ownership a little at a time over a period of decades untill we are unarmed and at the mercy of what ever government control thats placed on us. The image of the college student in the Bejing, Teinaman Square freedom protest who bravely stood, unarmed in front of a 100 ton tank, comes to mind. Those people gave up their means of self defense from criminals and their government. They are now at the mercy of a merciless government, with no freedom...And helpless.

I think you left one of Obama's laws out.
He also co-sponsered a bill to make it easier to prosecute people who use a gun for self-defense.

[Linkster]

I think you left one of Obama's laws out.
He also co-sponsered a bill to make it easier to prosecute people who use a gun for self-defense.

That is not correct - he voted against the bill which was Senate Bill 2165 (he was not the sponsor) - which became law because so many republicans voted for it (and does not outlaw guns for self-defense), created a loophole that said people who have an unregistered gun (which is AGAINST THE LAW) and use the gun in self-defense cannot be prosecuted for not registering the gun. So, if you have an unregistered gun that you don't use, you can be prosecuted. Under this new law, if you have an unregistered gun that you use in self-defense, you cannot be prosecuted for breaking the law.

As far as all the statements I posted above - those were all the votes he took part in - just facts - I wasnt saying they were my opinion one way of the other - but as far as the retired cops - yes they deserve the ability to carry concealed due to the contacts they made while in the service that could come back on them - which Obama agreed with and voted for in the affirmative

[Hog Trash]

That is not correct - he voted against the bill which was Senate Bill 2165 (he was not the sponsor) - which became law because so many republicans voted for it (and does not outlaw guns for self-defense), created a loophole that said people who have an unregistered gun (which is AGAINST THE LAW) and use the gun in self-defense cannot be prosecuted for not registering the gun. So, if you have an unregistered gun that you don't use, you can be prosecuted. Under this new law, if you have an unregistered gun that you use in self-defense, you cannot be prosecuted for breaking the law.

As far as all the statements I posted above - those were all the votes he took part in - just facts - I wasnt saying they were my opinion one way of the other - but as far as the retired cops - yes they deserve the ability to carry concealed due to the contacts they made while in the service that could come back on them - which Obama agreed with and voted for in the affirmativeYou're right, he definately didn't co-sponser S-B 2165. He voted against the Bill, that would not allow prosecution of a person who uses a firearm to protect their home and family. Here's the story. Please, no more claims of Obama being pro-2nd Amendment. Debating this is rediculous.At the time, Wilmette had its ban in place for 14 years. When the state legislature discovered that Wilmette had essentially charged DeMar for defending his home, several members moved a new law that essentially barred prosecution on handgun bans that arose from incidents of true self-defense. That bill, SB2165, was filed within three weeks of the incident, and took four months to wend its way through the legislature.
On May 25, 2004, the bill finally passed both houses — but without the support of Barack Obama. He voted against SB2165, which didn’t even go so far as to remove the Wilmette handgun ban, but only prevented enforcement in cases of real self-defense. It passed nonetheless, 41-16.
However, the governor vetoed the bill almost three months later, while the legislature was out of session. The original sponsor, Edward Petka, then moved to override the veto in November, and Obama didn’t vote at all on this day. The veto got overridden anyway.
If Obama really believed that the DC gun ban “went too far”, as he said last week, then why did he vote against SB2165, which didn’t even go as far as Heller in its scope? Protecting a citizen who successfully defended his home against a criminal who could have done great harm to his family seems like a reasonable, moderate position to take — especially for someone who now professes opposition to outright gun bans such as the one in Wilmette. Instead, Obama voted to allow victims like DeMar to get victimized a second time by a criminal-justice system more interested in disarming law-abiding citizens than in prosecuting the real perpetrators of crime in the community.
Barack Obama’s record looks clear on guns. He not only supported gun bans, but he supported prosecuting acts of self-defense. (via Hot Air reader Meg K.)http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/30/obamas-illinois-votes-on-guns/

Litmus test...If Obama was not anti-gun, he would not have the support of the liberals...Same with abortion...We all know this.

[Linkster]

That author obviously didnt read the bill - and the reason some voted against it was that it didnt do what it was supposed to do - which was it made it illegal to posess the gun and you could still be prosecuted - it created a loophole by accident because of the wording that basically would not allow you to defend your home if the gun was unregistered.....

The people that actually read the bill and understood the loophole voted against it because it took the rights of the homeowner away if they used an unregistered gun

Please fact-check instead of using winger articles to back up your arguments - just makes you look as stupid as they are

[Hog Trash]

That author obviously didnt read the bill - and the reason some voted against it was that it didnt do what it was supposed to do - which was it made it illegal to posess the gun and you could still be prosecuted - it created a loophole by accident because of the wording that basically would not allow you to defend your home if the gun was unregistered.....

The people that actually read the bill and understood the loophole voted against it because it took the rights of the homeowner away if they used an unregistered gun

Please fact-check instead of using winger articles to back up your arguments - just makes you look as stupid as they areI think I will stand by the story unless convinced otherwise. The gun ban had already been in place for 14 years.

The Bill simply blocked prosecution of anyone who used a banned gun in defense of their home....I've seen this before.

It was researched by the NRA, who I would think would be very accurate in their gun law assessment, since that is their only area of concern.

The NRA will endorse any candidate of any party who will support the Second Amendment. Their only agenda is gun rights.

[Linkster]

Heres the real fact check - I hope you really read it as it clears up your misconception as the NRA really did claim what you said but they were required to take down the ads they had after it was proven they had lied:

The NRA bases this overheated claim on a vote Obama cast on March 24, 2004, in the Illinois state Senate. He was one of 20 who opposed SB 2165. That bill, which passed 38 - 20 and became law, did not make it a crime to use firearms for self-defense, however. Rather, it created a loophole for persons caught violating local gun registration laws.

It states that in any Illinois municipality where a gun ban is in effect, it shall be an "affirmative defense" if the person accused of violating the ban can show that the weapon was used "in an act of self-defense or defense of another ... when on his or her land or in his or her abode or fixed place of business."

Letting the owner of a banned firearm escape a municipality's penalty is one thing, but it's another thing entirely to make it a crime to use any firearm – registered or not – in self-defense. The bill came about after Hale DeMar, of Wilmette, Ill., shot a burglar who had invaded his home. At the time, Wilmette had an ordinance that prohibited owning handguns.

[Hog Trash]

Heres the real fact check - I hope you really read it as it clears up your misconception as the NRA really did claim what you said but they were required to take down the ads they had after it was proven they had lied:

The NRA bases this overheated claim on a vote Obama cast on March 24, 2004, in the Illinois state Senate. He was one of 20 who opposed SB 2165. That bill, which passed 38 - 20 and became law, did not make it a crime to use firearms for self-defense, however. Rather, it created a loophole for persons caught violating local gun registration laws.

It states that in any Illinois municipality where a gun ban is in effect, it shall be an "affirmative defense" if the person accused of violating the ban can show that the weapon was used "in an act of self-defense or defense of another ... when on his or her land or in his or her abode or fixed place of business."

Letting the owner of a banned firearm escape a municipality's penalty is one thing, but it's another thing entirely to make it a crime to use any firearm – registered or not – in self-defense. The bill came about after Hale DeMar, of Wilmette, Ill., shot a burglar who had invaded his home. At the time, Wilmette had an ordinance that prohibited owning handguns.Thats what I've been saying also...Apparently we've been in agreement all along, other than my first post where I was in error.

[hdmarketing]

I don't even know how many guns I own.

Seriously.

Perhaps one day I should take an inventory.

Heh, Heh, Heh, you mean your are a Gun toting Bitter American Clinging to your guns and religion?

Really, I am the same way.

I think I have more Powder than the Military does.:lmao2:

[SeniorChief]

Heh, Heh, Heh, you mean your are a Gun toting Bitter American Clinging to your guns and religion?

Really, I am the same way.

I think I have more Powder than the Military does.:lmao2:

All I know is I have one in every room and a couple of shotguns here and there.

I really need to take inventory one day.

[Binky]

It's coming, just give him a chance to finish "Spreading The Wealth" first.



:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Binky]

Best self-defense weapon made...How many criminals do you suppose won't get a handgun because of the ban?...He only disarmed law-abiding citizens.
Better local than national...Liberal state voters who believe "gun bans" reduce crime, live in a fantasy world.
I'm sure every murderer, drug dealer and bank robber will rush right down to the police station and "license" their gun.
You have no idea how many places people can buy guns. Buying illegal guns is easier and less hassle than buying legal.
Only police officers have a right to defend themselves and their families???...Do you have your own private cop, Linkster???
This is so rediculous, that it's rediculous..."Unscrupulous gun dealers" are extremely regulated and watched by the BATF...They don't stay licensed very long. This law was enacted by the anti-gun lobby, solely to harrass honest gun dealers .
Damn, do you mean only criminals live in the inner city???...If that's the case, the law is justified.
Dumbest, do nothing law ever enacted. Dealt mainly with gun cosmetics. Another do nothing, feel good law by the liberal anti-gun lobby...Idiots!
Lets see...If a criminal breaks in my house, blazin away with his 9 MM, I'm suppose to get out my trusty single-shot 410 shotgun, with my birdshot load, and defend my home and family???...Hmmm?....sounds like I might be at a slight disadvantage, unless of course the intruder is a law-abiding criminal, and doesn't own a 9MM.
Do I really need to explain the absurdity of this law???...Nigga pleez!
The liberal anti-gun lobby wants to ban all private gun ownership in America...It is their ultmate goal...They have come to the realization that Americans will not willingly give up their 2nd Amendment rights without a fight...They have resorted to plan B...Chip away at gun ownership a little at a time over a period of decades untill we are unarmed and at the mercy of what ever government control thats placed on us. The image of the college student in the Bejing, Teinaman Square freedom protest who bravely stood, unarmed in front of a 100 ton tank, comes to mind. Those people gave up their means of self defense from criminals and their government. They are now at the mercy of a merciless government, with no freedom...And helpless.

I think you left one of Obama's laws out.
He also co-sponsered a bill to make it easier to prosecute people who use a gun for self-defense.


A great post Hog. Another image comes to my mind as well. One where most of us have read and paid attention to. It's one where millions of Jews, at Hitlers orders, were all lined up, loaded on trains and shipped to the death camps. They were starved, beaten, and over the course of time, 10 million of them were forced to lineup and enter buildings, naked, and were gassed. 10 MILLION. And because they were forced to give up any guns they may have had, long before, they were weak and defenseless.

Some things are worth fighting for. And the right to bear arms, is one of them. Losing that right means losing ones freedom.

[SeniorChief]

It's one where millions of Jews, at Hitlers orders, were all lined up, loaded on trains and shipped to the death camps. They were starved, beaten, and over the course of time, 10 million of them were forced to lineup and enter buildings, naked, and were gassed. 10 MILLION. And because they were forced to give up any guns they may have had, long before, they were weak and defenseless.




Yeah, but,.... .yeah we waterboarded a suspected terrorist in GTMO!

[ROdger Right]

11 million people 6 million jews, and onm the other side of germany 20 million died. but atleast jews got there own country and their holyiest city in the world,and all that with 30 million deaths from the actuall war
and something that annoys me how the fuck can u be half jewish
thought it was a religion not a race, thats y hitler was not jewish

[asroc]

Hmmm?...Didn't the stock market close at -400 points on Nov 5, in reaction to Obama being elected? :confused:

No, it was in reaction to the unemployment report pending later in that week, which was pretty grim.

[ROdger Right]

to bad the 2nd was a dead issue this election season