Obama thinks gas is too cheap

[doctordog]

I heard on CNN coming home tonight that Obama thinks Americans are driving too much since gas started going down and he wants to tax gasoline 1.00/gallon and use the the money to find solution to greenhouse gases, yeah right, even if it breaks every American middle class family that needs gas to get to work. The snake oil salesman is coming out and he isn't even official yet.:banghead:

[Independent Harry]

I heard on CNN coming home tonight that Obama thinks Americans are driving too much since gas started going down and he wants to tax gasoline 1.00/gallon and use the the money to find solution to greenhouse gases, yeah right, even if it breaks every American middle class family that needs gas to get to work. The snake oil salesman is coming out and he isn't even official yet.:banghead:

Link...maybe, this would generally be all over the wire...

[doctordog]

Link...maybe, this would generally be all over the wire...

I am not looking for links, turn on your radio

[Independent Harry]

I am not looking for links, turn on your radio

then stop posting bullshit that you can't substantiate, it will generally get deleted. Because people here are tired of assholes like you that constantly post shit that is made up...

[doctordog]

then stop posting bullshit that you can't substantiate, it will generally get deleted. Because people here are tired of assholes like you that constantly post shit that is made up...

Fuck you dick wad, listen to your fucking radio prick!

[Independent Harry]

Fuck you dick wad, listen to your fucking radio prick!

Turned it on, didn't hear shit about your bullshit...

[doctordog]

Turned it on, didn't hear shit about your bullshit...

You have to take you head out of your ass so you can hear it:lmao2:

[Smurf-Herder]

Obama with Democratic Congress means gas tax could rise
Last time the tax was raised, in Washington and Austin, was when Democrats were in charge.

By Ben Wear

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF


Monday, November 10, 2008

Let me start out by saying that I searched www.barackobama.com, the president-elect's campaign Web site, and did not see a single mention of the gas tax.

If you Google "Barack Obama" and "gas tax," what you'll find is innumerable hits about the spat during the primaries between Obama and his then-opponent Sen. Hillary Clinton, and with his opponent-to-come Sen. John McCain. Both Obama foes were suggesting that with gas prices at $4 a gallon and higher, maybe it would be a good idea to put the federal 18.4 cents-a-gallon gas tax on holiday for the summer.

Obama called that a "gimmick" and a "scheme" to pander for votes, and most political pundits agreed. The idea died. Now gas prices are almost $2 a gallon lower, a holiday we can all get behind.

As far as I can tell, Obama, as a senator, has never advocated raising the gas tax. President Obama might, however.

As I've pointed out many times before, the federal gas tax has not gone up since 1993. Texas' state gas tax of 20 cents a gallon (meaning you pay 38.4 cents a gallon at the pump in Texas, more than that for diesel) last increased in 1991. Those two political milestones have a key thing in common: They each occurred when both houses of the legislative body and the executive branch were in the hands of Democrats.

That hasn't been the situation in Washington since January 1995 in the wake of the Gingrich revolution. That was also the last time Democrats held complete sway in Texas, as Gov. Ann Richards gave way to Gov. George W. Bush that month.

Now, bringing all this up isn't based on the GOP trope that Democrats just love to raise taxes. In fact, the operative phenomenon here is Republican officeholders' steadfast resistance to raising them.

Gas tax revenue, in Texas and nationally, is falling short, and no one, Democrat or Republican, disputes that. Congress, in fact, acted on an emergency basis a few months ago to inject about $8 billion into the federal highway trust fund. It was done by, essentially, increasing the national debt, not by raising taxes. Let the grandkids pay for the roads, seemed to be the operating philosophy.

The GOP's other approach to transportation needs, vividly illustrated in Texas the past five years, was toll roads — borrowing, again — and privatization, getting companies to build and operate government toll roads under long-term leases.

The president-elect's transportation plan on his Web site does not talk about toll roads, public or private. What it does envision is plowing $25 billion in a "jobs and growth fund" and $60 billion in a "national infrastructure reinvestment bank," and putting more money into Amtrak, high-speed rail between cities and public transportation.

That money will have to come from somewhere.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/11/10/1110wear.html

[Independent Harry]

soooo, he just might, he hasn't talked about it. But this is all based on what? The possibility. That's rich...

[Bill]

That's a really good idea, ingenious really, and truly insightful in terms of national security.

Since you republicans increased taxes so much, it has to be paid for somehow, It'll be up to the democrats to be the party of fiscal responsibilty and pay off the tax increases you passed.

And in a very short time in national terms the price of petroleum is going to skyrocket again. Not to mention the billions of dolars we are paying to our strategic competitors. So encouraging a radically new energy policy now, while the oppurtunity presents itself, is sheer genius.

Now if you republicans hadn't increased taxes and bureacracy so much, we'd be able to keep the coming responsibility taxes lower, but you didn't, so we can't.

[bairdi]

Obama with Democratic Congress means gas tax could rise
Last time the tax was raised, in Washington and Austin, was when Democrats were in charge.

By Ben Wear

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF


Monday, November 10, 2008

Let me start out by saying that I searched www.barackobama.com, the president-elect's campaign Web site, and did not see a single mention of the gas tax.

If you Google "Barack Obama" and "gas tax," what you'll find is innumerable hits about the spat during the primaries between Obama and his then-opponent Sen. Hillary Clinton, and with his opponent-to-come Sen. John McCain. Both Obama foes were suggesting that with gas prices at $4 a gallon and higher, maybe it would be a good idea to put the federal 18.4 cents-a-gallon gas tax on holiday for the summer.

Obama called that a "gimmick" and a "scheme" to pander for votes, and most political pundits agreed. The idea died. Now gas prices are almost $2 a gallon lower, a holiday we can all get behind.

As far as I can tell, Obama, as a senator, has never advocated raising the gas tax. President Obama might, however.

As I've pointed out many times before, the federal gas tax has not gone up since 1993. Texas' state gas tax of 20 cents a gallon (meaning you pay 38.4 cents a gallon at the pump in Texas, more than that for diesel) last increased in 1991. Those two political milestones have a key thing in common: They each occurred when both houses of the legislative body and the executive branch were in the hands of Democrats.

That hasn't been the situation in Washington since January 1995 in the wake of the Gingrich revolution. That was also the last time Democrats held complete sway in Texas, as Gov. Ann Richards gave way to Gov. George W. Bush that month.

Now, bringing all this up isn't based on the GOP trope that Democrats just love to raise taxes. In fact, the operative phenomenon here is Republican officeholders' steadfast resistance to raising them.

Gas tax revenue, in Texas and nationally, is falling short, and no one, Democrat or Republican, disputes that. Congress, in fact, acted on an emergency basis a few months ago to inject about $8 billion into the federal highway trust fund. It was done by, essentially, increasing the national debt, not by raising taxes. Let the grandkids pay for the roads, seemed to be the operating philosophy.

The GOP's other approach to transportation needs, vividly illustrated in Texas the past five years, was toll roads — borrowing, again — and privatization, getting companies to build and operate government toll roads under long-term leases.

The president-elect's transportation plan on his Web site does not talk about toll roads, public or private. What it does envision is plowing $25 billion in a "jobs and growth fund" and $60 billion in a "national infrastructure reinvestment bank," and putting more money into Amtrak, high-speed rail between cities and public transportation.

That money will have to come from somewhere.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/11/10/1110wear.html
The difference between fact and conjecture or opinion is as vivid as the difference between black and red.

[Moby]

We've seen wild swings with gas and oil prices and every time it goes up there's an emotional and immediate response that occurs. Then the cries for new investment and new legislation come and as soon change starts to occur the prices go back down making the investment and legislation worthless.

Since 2001 we've taken on $5 trillion in debt from budgeting and it appears a few trillion more in emergency spending which is more debt then we've built up in our entire history. We have to pay for it some how.

Higher gas tax would mean that


Americans drive less
America has money to invest in alternative fuels
Private investment in new tech will be more profitable
Smaller more fuel efficient vehicles are be more popular
Public transportation becomes more appealing
We might be able to pay off some of the Bush debt


We can't keep borrowing money from China and Saudi Arabia to stay afloat. We had 8 years of over spending and have nothing to show for that investment. We have to start investing in our future and pay down some of this debt.

It's not a matter of if we'll have to pay higher taxes after the Bush years. It's a matter of when and how we'll have to pay higher taxes. The sooner we start the less we'll pay in the long run.

[disrupter]

It isn't that they are driving too much,
it is that they don't get enough mileage out of the gas they use.

it is all about efficiency,
getting more done, using less.

beautiful, spare, elegant.
fine delicate bones with precise articulation, minimal effort.

Technology is essential, as well as a committed willful effort by the American people & humanity.

Technological efficiencies &
ultimately technological alternatives without the impossible environment pricetag.

Extinction is NOT an acceptable price,
despite oil & coal company lies to the contrary.

there is no afterlife.
when you are dead, you are dead.
this is just so basic.

[bairdi]

Do you realize how much energy consumption we could reduce if everyone would get off their lazy asses and walk into the bank, fast food joint or pharmacy instead of idling in line at the drive thru?

[Independent Harry]

Do you realize how much energy consumption we could reduce if everyone would get off their lazy asses and walk into the bank, fast food joint or pharmacy instead of idling in line at the drive thru?

I heard on the radio today, that because of that Obama is going to make drive through anything illegal. That damn socialist trying to take over our lives...

[Moby]

I heard on the radio today, that because of that Obama is going to make drive through anything illegal. That damn socialist trying to take over our lives...
So now we'll have push through car washes? :)

After all, The USDA was touting car washes as good use of all that grant money that they spent creating jobs.

[playboydojo]

It's funny, but I was just talking about something like this. Y'know, it's a basic economic principle that if prices aren't so low, people don't consume so much.

One might wonder if the problem here is the consumption.

[ROdger Right]

Look i havent had a vechicle since i hit a school bus and the last time i walked was up the block to go vote, dont try taking away my lifestyle because oil isnt a crisis yet, so if i put down 20 dollars 15 would be going in the tank?fuck that shit u crazy democrats

[kres24GT]

I agree, hopefully will hit 5 or 6 bucks next year.

[ROdger Right]

your under the assumption that we r running out, far from it we havent even got rid of cheap oil and that will take a good 15-20 years, there shouldnt be a reason for gas going that high seeing how oil is in less demand with the recession going on, hopefully it will last 4 years