Why I'm at peace with Obama

[Smurf-Herder]

I just want you all to know where I stand.

I dozed off during the election coverage; and awoke during the victory speech. I couldn't believe the landslide for Obama. I was in shock until around noon.

But now I have a strange inner peace. I no longer have to defend anyone on principle. I have nothing new tangible to say about Obama (so far) until he actually takes office. Because we don't know what he actually will do once he gets in.

We don't know what promises he will try to keep; or be able to keep once he has all the resources and detailed info before him. We don't know how Pelosi may try to play him - having control of the purse through the House. We don't know what aspects of his hidden agenda are real, or just rhetoric.

And I have no reason to believe anything other than he fairly won the election. Even if there were massive voter fraud, it would be impossible for it to have been enough to give him such a huge victory.

He's legitimately our president. The true majority wanted him. This is the way it's supposed to be - and we deserve what we get. Either for voting for him, or not picking an opponent worthy of beating him. And he will fulfill his purpose.

I'm not saying I support him - I honestly think we're in serious trouble. But I have a peace about it all, knowing this is the way it's supposed to be; no matter how bad it gets.

So for now, we have a good two months of no campaigning .......... ahhh, the relief. And a future to prepare for. And for all those who took the opposite side of this, I'm here for you - even Disrupter - if things get to the point where you find yourselves feeling buyer's remorse. No gloating, because now, we are all in this together. For better or worse, and I do think it will become seriously worse - even if things "appear" to be getting better after a time - because the mother of all bubbles will eventually burst. It's the nature of the beast. And we created it.

It's our destiny.

[Kanadesaga]

:thumbsup:

[Smurf-Herder]

LIfe is an adventure.

And we don't know what tomorrow will bring.

[Kanadesaga]

Smurf, there is wisdom in your words. and you're smart enough to realize that it is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. the stock market is the canary in the mine, the stone splash, the ripples are yet to be felt. and if we all don't pull together, we will sink. and I love this country too much to let that happen.

[Smurf-Herder]

Smurf, there is wisdom in your words. and you're smart enough to realize that it is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. the stock market is the canary in the mine, the stone splash, the ripples are yet to be felt. and if we all don't pull together, we will sink. and I love this country too much to let that happen.

In light of everything we've discussed and what we know, our guiding motto should be "Proceed with caution". And keep our eyes wide open. Because we have "changed" domestically and in the eyes of the world, anything can happen. We're committed and America is now in uncharted territory.

I was getting ready to be on McCain's ass if he didn't look like he was performing as he led us to believe, if he had won. And I hope Obama will receive, or be allowed to receive, the same scrutiny.

In other words, if he's criticized for something, we should all look before we leap, in a knee-jerk reaction; and objectively try to determine if there's true merit in the criticism.

[Linkster]

Hopefully the republican hard-cores wont go looking for trivial shit to bog everything down with - and concentrate on the big important issues

[Kanadesaga]

In light of everything we've discussed and what we know, our guiding motto should be "Proceed with caution". And keep our eyes wide open. Because we have "changed" domestically and in the eyes of the world, anything can happen. We're committed and America is now in uncharted territory.

I was getting ready to be on McCain's ass if he didn't look like he was performing as he led us to believe, if he had won. And I hope Obama will receive, or be allowed to receive, the same scrutiny.

In other words, if he's criticized for something, we should all look before we leap, in a knee-jerk reaction; and objectively try to determine if there's true merit in the criticism.


I don't have unrealistic expectations. he can only do so much without cooperation. and pelosi is worthless as is reid

[Smurf-Herder]

Hopefully the republican hard-cores wont go looking for trivial shit to bog everything down with - and concentrate on the big important issues

Agreed.

As long as big issues aren't treated as trivial by the opposition, just for the sake of being in opposition.

[Mr. Blue]

I've always said whoever wins gets my support until they legitimately start screwing up.

[Moby]

Hopefully the republican hard-cores wont go looking for trivial shit to bog everything down with - and concentrate on the big important issues
I've watched Fox news for about 30 minutes in total today. I think the trivial shit is going to get even more time then before. Hannity was starting to sound a little unstable. Almost like Beck or Limbaugh.

We'll see what happens in the Senate but as of today, Murdoch's minions are still in full force.

[doctordog]

I don't have unrealistic expectations. he can only do so much without cooperation. and pelosi is worthless as is reid

:thumbsup:

[Smurf-Herder]

BTW, to all those out there who fear Obama and who I agreed with before the election ..........

I want you to know, I haven't changed my views on Obama and his potential to be the man who brings the world down around him. His landslide win only reinforces that view.

But hating him does no good IMO, as I consider him a tool in the hands of fate - a mcguffen, if you will.

We've put him in charge and set the wheels in motion; and nothing can change that first step. That's what I'm at peace with. The acceptance of all that will follow - all the while still hoping I'm wrong. Knowing it's now impossible to fight the future; and only possible to keep our eyes wide open and learn how to survive it.

[Independent Harry]

BTW, to all those out there who fear Obama and who I agreed with before the election ..........

I want you to know, I haven't changed my views on Obama and his potential to be the man who brings the world down around him. His landslide win only reinforces that view.

But hating him does no good IMO, as I consider him a tool in the hands of fate - a mcguffen, if you will.

We've put him in charge and set the wheels in motion; and nothing can change that first step. That's what I'm at peace with. The acceptance of all that will follow - all the while still hoping I'm wrong. Knowing it's now impossible to fight the future; and only possible to keep our eyes wide open and learn how to survive it.

Wow, you are so very fatalistic lol. Listen, we shap the future, we decide what the future is. Its not some cog in the wheel, once its started turning theirs nothing we can do to stop it. You want to change the future, there are mechanisms in place to do that. Go do it, you can, there are many things you could do to reverse the overwhelming majority vote.

[disrupter]

Wow, Smurf has an open, rational mind.

Even if Obama were miraculous there are so many huge problems to deal with some it can't help but go unaddressed.

Obama is calm, & highly intelligent.
My questions are what core principles, if any, he holds, beyond political patronage to popular public opinion.

He will probably do about as well as anyone can do.
He & all of us are mostly at the mercy of circumstances.

I suppose the most sensible strategy is not to get obsessive over what the US president does, & pay more attention to the general circumstances & trends of the globe. Obsessions tend to be distractions.

[hdmarketing]

Hopefully the republican hard-cores wont go looking for trivial shit to bog everything down with - and concentrate on the big important issues

And why would we do something like that?

We have spent the last 8 hearing you idiots doing just that.

Now now, people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Kanadesaga]

ever the voice of reason :lmao2:

[SeedyROM]

If Obama takes the slow path towards righting the economy we'll be okay in 2 to 3 years. The partisan bickering in the last 5 years helped to destroy all hope for everyone. Both sides are at extreme fault. Regardless of who won the election, the new president has many hurdles to jump just to balance out the negative growth in many sectors as well as the currency. Let us hope Obama backs off most of his plans to deepen the debt with new programs.

Simply put, all hell is about to break loose in the markets and the economy. The mortgage crisis will likely be followed by defaults in credit card debt, student loans and car loans. We will probably be set for two years of zero to low growth, And the federal efforts to protect the nation from the worst of the recession will probably lead to huge budget deficits and resulting inflation that could lead to stagflation for years.

[disrupter]

Isn't it great that Obama is building his brain trust,

rather than locked into ideological ignorance.

WOW, refreshing.

Thoughtfulness rather than toxic ideological elitist dogma.
GOP ideology claims the elite 'magic' of already having answers.
Obama is smart enough to seek possible answers.

THANK YOU AMERICA.

You have sanity & good in you.

Finally something to be PROUD of.

[SeedyROM]

I've watched Fox news for about 30 minutes in total today. I think the trivial shit is going to get even more time then before. Hannity was starting to sound a little unstable. Almost like Beck or Limbaugh.

We'll see what happens in the Senate but as of today, Murdoch's minions are still in full force.

Commentators rarely change. Rush Windbag is stuck in a world of cynicism, Hannity is a young Limbaugh in the making. I watch the H&C from time to time because they give alternative points of view, most shows are a waste of time though. That idiot Glenn beck is moving to Fox next year.......comedian DL Hugley replaced him on CNN, a good choice!

[Binky]

In light of everything we've discussed and what we know, our guiding motto should be "Proceed with caution". And keep our eyes wide open. Because we have "changed" domestically and in the eyes of the world, anything can happen. We're committed and America is now in uncharted territory.

I was getting ready to be on McCain's ass if he didn't look like he was performing as he led us to believe, if he had won. And I hope Obama will receive, or be allowed to receive, the same scrutiny.

In other words, if he's criticized for something, we should all look before we leap, in a knee-jerk reaction; and objectively try to determine if there's true merit in the criticism.


A good post Smurfy! I agree. I think we do need to proceed with caution with our eyes wide open. It certainly would behoove us to keep our heads out of our butts and breathe in some oxygen on occasion as well.

America now finds herself where she hasn't been before. We are all on this road trip together now and we need to ban together and make the trip a smarter one. It's time to stop thinking "me, me, me" and to begin thinking, " we rock, we rock, we rock." America is the greatest country on earth. If that weren't a fact there wouldn't be millions flocking here to live in the land of opportunity and home of the brave.

We need to call our politicians on what they do. When they screw up, they need to be told by us. Keeping them honest is going to be a chore. But letting them run wild as they have will be the death of us as a country.

There comes a time in ones life, when you have to stand up for something and work together as a people to make things better for all Americans. Not blacks. Not whites. Not purple or green. But for all of us. We are one. It's hightime we all recognised that fact and banned together rather than continuing to destroy the best thing we have. Our freedoms.

[Smurf-Herder]

A good post Smurfy! I agree. I think we do need to proceed with caution with our eyes wide open. It certainly would behoove us to keep our heads out of our butts and breathe in some oxygen on occasion as well.

America now finds herself where she hasn't been before. We are all on this road trip together now and we need to ban together and make the trip a smarter one. It's time to stop thinking "me, me, me" and to begin thinking, " we rock, we rock, we rock." America is the greatest country on earth. If that weren't a fact there wouldn't be millions flocking here to live in the land of opportunity and home of the brave.

We need to call our politicians on what they do. When they screw up, they need to be told by us. Keeping them honest is going to be a chore. But letting them run wild as they have will be the death of us as a country.

There comes a time in ones life, when you have to stand up for something and work together as a people to make things better for all Americans. Not blacks. Not whites. Not purple or green. But for all of us. We are one. It's hightime we all recognised that fact and banned together rather than continuing to destroy the best thing we have. Our freedoms.

And I agree completely .......... with the caveat, that we be ever more vigilant in not being "fooled again" by ever slicker manipulators of the system.

[SeedyROM]

BTW, to all those out there who fear Obama and who I agreed with before the election ..........

I want you to know, I haven't changed my views on Obama and his potential to be the man who brings the world down around him. His landslide win only reinforces that view.

But hating him does no good IMO, as I consider him a tool in the hands of fate - a mcguffen, if you will.

We've put him in charge and set the wheels in motion; and nothing can change that first step. That's what I'm at peace with. The acceptance of all that will follow - all the while still hoping I'm wrong. Knowing it's now impossible to fight the future; and only possible to keep our eyes wide open and learn how to survive it.

I'm okay with Obama, I beleive he'll be a slightly above average president. He will make serious mistakes with defense, terrorism and the economy and hopefully he'll learn to adapt and make adjustments. Its all on him from election day going forward with all the pandering for more bailouts. BO is indeed a tool in the hands of fate, I hope he's true to his word that he'll be open to ideas and constructive criticisms from reps.

[Smurf-Herder]

I'm okay with Obama, I beleive he'll be a slightly above average president. He will make serious mistakes with defense, terrorism and the economy and hopefully he'll learn to adapt and make adjustments. Its all on him from election day going forward with all the pandering for more bailouts. BO is indeed a tool in the hands of fate, I hope he's true to his word that he'll be open to ideas and constructive criticisms from reps.

This guy knows exactly what he's going to do, the day he gets in. He's already been talking to everybody he needs to overseas. He's a fast-mover. And he's already getting into Executive Order mode. Everybody knows exactly what they want to do.

[SeedyROM]

This guy knows exactly what he's going to do, the day he gets in. He's already been talking to everybody he needs to overseas. He's a fast-mover. And he's already getting into Executive Order mode. Everybody knows exactly what they want to do.

Yup the amature president will be in control in 68 days. If he avoids raising taxes and sidelines the free healthcare program for 2 years I will be impressed. Any tax raise is a bad idea. Till we see economic growth, exuberant spending is wrong and foolish.