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Moby
11-02-2008, 09:49 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081102/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/warrantless_wiretapping_6
By JOAN LOWY, Associated Press Reporter Joan Lowy, Associated Press Reporter – 2 hrs 27 mins ago

WASHINGTON – A judge has ordered the Justice Department to produce White House memos that provide the legal basis for the Bush administration's post-Sept. 11 warrantless wiretapping program.

U.S. District Judge Henry Kennedy Jr. signed an order Friday requiring the department to produce the memos by the White House legal counsel's office by Nov. 17. He said he will review the memos in private to determine if any information can be released publicly without violating attorney-client privilege or jeopardizing national security.

Kennedy issued his order in response to lawsuits by civil liberties groups in 2005 after news reports disclosed the wiretapping.

The department had argued that the memos were protected attorney-client communications and contain classified information.

But Kennedy said that the attorney-client argument was "too vague" and that he would have to look at the documents himself to determine if that argument is valid and also to see if there is information that can be released without endangering national security.

Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said Saturday the department is reviewing the opinion and will "respond appropriately in court."

Shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush authorized the National Security Agency to spy on calls between people in the U.S. and suspected terrorists abroad without obtaining court warrants. The administration said it needed to act more quickly than the court could and that the president had inherent authority under the Constitution to order warrantless domestic spying.

After the program was challenged in court, Bush last year put it under the supervision of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, established in 1978 after the domestic spying scandals of the 1970s.

"We think just as a common sense matter the legal theories for the president's wiretap programs cannot be classified and should be available to the public," said Marc Rotenberg, president of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, one of the groups seeking the memos.

"It's an important decision because up to this point the judge has relied on the government's assertion that it has done everything properly under the law and that it has disclosed everything it needs to disclose," Rotenberg said Saturday.

Smurf-Herder
11-02-2008, 10:09 AM
I have to say, at face value, all things considered, it seems like a reasonable judgement. As long as anything of a classified nature is not released.

Sharon
11-02-2008, 10:18 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081102/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/warrantless_wiretapping_6
Nothing classified should be released for obvious reasons. Otherwise, wire tapping would only bother someone who's up to something. Obama is against it! Hmmm........

disrupter
11-02-2008, 10:50 AM
toilet paper is classified by this white house.

people without clearance have shitty asses around there.

the Classified category is all about a bunch of shit.

Smurf-Herder
11-02-2008, 11:19 AM
toilet paper is classified by this white house.

people without clearance have shitty asses around there.

the Classified category is all about a bunch of shit.

This is why they're so stubborn about keeping things secret - people like you who only wish to twist things or leak classified info, for political gain.

disrupter
11-02-2008, 11:49 AM
They just want cover for all their crimes.

no other reason.

they couldn't give a fuck about this nation except as a victim of their rape.

Smurf-Herder
11-02-2008, 12:00 PM
They just want cover for all their crimes.

no other reason.

they couldn't give a fuck about this nation except as a victim of their rape.

Time to move on, Dis.

Moby
11-02-2008, 05:03 PM
Remember that many people in the Bush administration were also in the Nixon administration. Nixon didn't want to use wire tapping to protect America. In fact, he wanted to use wire tapping to destroy democracy. Trusting the same people with the same electronic surveillance information may not be in the best interest of the American people.

Smurf-Herder
11-02-2008, 05:05 PM
Remember that many people in the Bush administration were also in the Nixon administration. Nixon didn't want to use wire tapping to protect America. In fact, he wanted to use wire tapping to destroy democracy. Trusting the same people with the same electronic surveillance information may not be in the best interest of the American people.


Yeah, yeah. We know. All Republicans are evil. :talktothehand:

Mr, gone
11-02-2008, 07:08 PM
Disrupter,

The toilet paper is only classified if yellow or red in color, otherwise being white - it's already been santized and void of anything meaningful. In other words - only usefull to wipe your ass with.:lmao2:

The dismantling of FISA is to allow outlaw goverment surveillance of it's own citizens as a control mechanism.

And don't hand me this 911 'war on terror' shit excuse!!

Fuck Telecom immunity, it's the only way these companies will agree to perform communist criminal acts.

asroc
11-02-2008, 10:47 PM
wire tapping would only bother someone who's up to something.

What the fuck is this?

Moby
11-02-2008, 11:12 PM
Yeah, yeah. We know. All Republicans are evil. :talktothehand:
Who ever said that? ... OK, outside of Disrputer, who ever said that?

Do a little research, stop listening to the pundits and you'll see who worked for Nixon and Bush.

ROdger Right
11-02-2008, 11:26 PM
Well i have a problem with wire tapping and im pretty clean and as for democracy being destoyed, its one of the easiest jobs to do so the only one the government will ever suceed at

Smurf-Herder
11-02-2008, 11:32 PM
Who ever said that? ... OK, outside of Disrputer, who ever said that?

Do a little research, stop listening to the pundits and you'll see who worked for Nixon and Bush.

So Obama is hiring people who worked for Clinton and Carter - what's the fucking difference.

And who ever said that? - Quite a few here.

Stop playing your childish games.

Moby
11-02-2008, 11:50 PM
So Obama is hiring people who worked for Clinton and Carter - what's the fucking difference.
Maybe you should have paid attention to a little history. Read up on Nixon and wire tapping. Maybe you'll learn something.

Once you learn about Nixon's wire tapping then I think you'll find out how silly your question really is.

Smurf-Herder
11-02-2008, 11:54 PM
Maybe you should have paid attention to a little history. Read up on Nixon and wire tapping. Maybe you'll learn something.

Once you learn about Nixon's wire tapping then I think you'll find out how silly your question really is.


I was there. I remember the hearings. I hated Nixon.

It's not the same thing, no matter what you've got going on in that pretty little head of yours.

ROdger Right
11-03-2008, 12:05 AM
differance is howard huighes is dead so really what did we have to fear about the people were in the nixon staff?
i forgot the movie's name but it told the story of why it went down. and Nixons staff as it says at the end when it tells u some facts about the true story was, i can gaurntee u though it was about money and somehow it caused watergate
as always the slickest lier will always win,after 8 years of getting called out on lying y did the republicans stop to let obama tell fascinating tells of what he would do as president