This is wonderful

[Sharon]

:thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8


He is a hero!

[Cat slave]

:thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8


He is a hero!

He is a great hero! I saw it last night. Hes getting a lot of traffic too.
What a true hero!!!!

[Smurf-Herder]

My son was in one of the "surge" brigades, stationed just outside of Sadr City; and he feels the same way.

Luckily he came though okay. But he saw a lot of his buddies die horrible deaths. And he still feels it was the right thing.

[Sharon]

My son was in one of the "surge" brigades, stationed just outside of Sadr City; and he feels the same way.

Luckily he came though okay. But he saw a lot of his buddies die horrible deaths. And he still feels it was the right thing.
Well thank him for me and thank you! God Bless you both! I had family and friends there during that time. They served proudly and never complained! Our troops are wonderful!

[Independent Harry]

I'm so tired of people equating the war with the soldiers. This guy may or may not be a hero, we don't know. Just beacuse you join the military and fight in a war doesn't atutomatically make you a hero.

I just love the end, the day we loose our will to fight is the day we loose our freedom...really was Iraq threatining our freedom? Was he in a position to attack americans and take away our freedom?

While their are heroes in the US military, and they are brave for fighting, the war was still and is wrong...

[disrupter]

<sarcastic> Great, we should go to war & continue war because the soldiers are having a great time.

Maybe we should overlook any rapes or other prurient actions by them, eh?

This is the soldier tail wagging the dog of US foreign policy & its interests,

You people are INSANE.

CLINICALLY FUCKING INSANE.

[disrupter]

Oh, & btw

Why do you ALWAYs vote AGAINST VETERANS benefits for when they come home?

it is amazing the twisted hypocrisy we have let the lying Republican Rabid war mongers get away with.

[Smurf-Herder]

Oh, & btw

Why do you ALWAYs vote AGAINST VETERANS benefits for when they come home?

it is amazing the twisted hypocrisy we have let the lying Republican Rabid war mongers get away with.


Because it's spin. You ignore the fact of there being multiple bills, some with pork added - and those being the ones voted against.

[Smurf-Herder]

I'm so tired of people equating the war with the soldiers. This guy may or may not be a hero, we don't know. Just beacuse you join the military and fight in a war doesn't atutomatically make you a hero.

I just love the end, the day we loose our will to fight is the day we loose our freedom...really was Iraq threatining our freedom? Was he in a position to attack americans and take away our freedom?

While their are heroes in the US military, and they are brave for fighting, the war was still and is wrong...

Sorry, but in my mind they're all heroes who volunteer for the service during war, knowing they're going overseas to risk their lives. But those are just my personal feelings, being so close to the situation.

[asroc]

I'm of the school that says they're doing heroes' work and are not subject to policy disputes.

[Sharon]

I'm so tired of people equating the war with the soldiers. This guy may or may not be a hero, we don't know. Just beacuse you join the military and fight in a war doesn't atutomatically make you a hero.

I just love the end, the day we loose our will to fight is the day we loose our freedom...really was Iraq threatining our freedom? Was he in a position to attack americans and take away our freedom?

While their are heroes in the US military, and they are brave for fighting, the war was still and is wrong...
Terrorists were training there, dumb ass! They also had WMDs yes they had them they hid them in Siria and surrounding areas. Most of the dumocrats were in favor of the war! Get your fd up facts straight, you anti-American dip shit. You insult the troop you insult all Americans that are decent.

[Sharon]

<sarcastic> Great, we should go to war & continue war because the soldiers are having a great time.

Maybe we should overlook any rapes or other prurient actions by them, eh?

This is the soldier tail wagging the dog of US foreign policy & its interests,

You people are INSANE.

CLINICALLY FUCKING INSANE.
I wish you weren't such a pussy and you could be on the front line then you too could be proud of having done something good rather than flapping your lying, cowardly jaws on this forum. But, that will never happen because our military doesn't take crazy fkrs, you couldn't make it and you couldn't handle it!

[ROdger Right]

threating our freedom is a prespective. planes going into buildings is a threat to our freedom, supporting those who commit such acts do they not also threatin us, now i didnt watch the video but i will later, did iraq threatin us with wmds if they had them would they be able to attack america no. u look at the big picture where our allies r just as good targets or even better because they r closer . We have to protect our allies to protect america. to send pakistan billions of dollars while they still let terrorists roam through out its boarder, we must do this because our enemies come from all over the world and have nothing to do with boarders.
In my mind all we did was choose where to fight them, and its easier to fight in iraq with an army rather than in afghan and turn out like soviet union did

[Sharon]

I'm of the school that says they're doing heroes' work and are not subject to policy disputes.
I'm of the school that says RESPECT our troops!

[disrupter]

They are only doing hero's work if their mission is heroic.

All i ask is that it be ethical & reasonably pragmatic.

Imperialism in Iraq is not ethical.
Pretending it is imposing democracy is a perverse lie.
If people democratically want something you don't need to impose anything.

Maybe the only cure for American insanity is for this nation to finally collapse.
One wishes it didn't have to be, but wealth allows the rich to wallow in & even grow in ignorance.

[Smurf-Herder]

They are only doing hero's work if their mission is heroic.

All i ask is that it be ethical & reasonably pragmatic.

Imperialism in Iraq is not ethical.
Pretending it is imposing democracy is a perverse lie.
If people democratically want something you don't need to impose anything.

Maybe the only cure for American insanity is for this nation to finally collapse.
One wishes it didn't have to be, but wealth allows the rich to wallow in & even grow in ignorance.

How could they have democratically done anything, if we hadn't toppled their dictator?

You're saying we "imposed" freedom upon them?

[disrupter]

We have merely unleashed chaos,
& now it is a powder keg that will blow as soon as we leave.

This is like sitting on a mousetrap to keep it from snapping.

If we never leave the iraqis will never hash it out for themselves,
& in the meantime it will cost us additional Trillions & more American lives & more anti-American hate for our aggression & arrogance.

It is like putting it right in the Middle East's face,
'we have the world's biggest military & we are willing to use it completely unjustifiably against you Arabs & other Muslims."

You war mongers should all be killed for the safety of the USA & the world.

[disrupter]

As soon as the troops come home they will be readied to join the firing squads to use against the war mongers who sent them over there for nothing good.

[Smurf-Herder]

We have merely unleashed chaos,
& now it is a powder keg that will blow as soon as we leave.

This is like sitting on a mousetrap to keep it from snapping.

If we never leave the iraqis will never hash it out for themselves,
& in the meantime it will cost us additional Trillions & more American lives & more anti-American hate for our aggression & arrogance.

It is like putting it right in the Middle East's face,
'we have the world's biggest military & we are willing to use it completely unjustifiably against you Arabs & other Muslims."

You war mongers should all be killed for the safety of the USA & the world.

We'll be leaving (for the most part) when Iraq is capable of defending itself from from external threats. 2011 is when it's projected Iraq will be able to have a viable airforce and navy.

Also, if you haven't noticed, things are getting pretty stable over there.

[Sharon]

As soon as the troops come home they will be readied to join the firing squads to use against the war mongers who sent them over there for nothing good.
They would and do want people like you, the non-supporters to evaporate! They aren't like you, ya know pussy-like, they are tough and patriotic. You're a pathetic hater. Get ready to riot! Target practice for us!!!

[disrupter]

Many Iraq vets are fed up with the abomination & hypocrisy of that war.

Especially when you Repigs piss on them, voting down their veteran benefits when they get home.

[Smurf-Herder]

Many Iraq vets are fed up with the abomination & hypocrisy of that war.

Especially when you Repigs piss on them, voting down their veteran benefits when they get home.

Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain

By Brendan McGarry - Staff writer
Posted : Thursday Oct 9, 2008 5:44:48 EDT

Sen. John McCain enjoys overwhelming support from the military’s professional core, a Military Times survey of nearly 4,300 readers, indicates, though career-oriented black service members strongly favored the Democratic Party candidate.

McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.

But as a snapshot of careerists, the results suggest Democrats have gained little ground in their attempts to significantly chip away at a traditionally Republican voting bloc in campaign messages and legislative initiatives, such as the recent expansion of GI Bill benefits, experts said.

“The military has been perceived as a conservative Republican institution,” said Peter Feaver, a political science professor at Duke University and a special adviser to the National Security Council from 2005 to 2007.

“A lot of people thought that eight years of frustration with the Bush administration was going to undermine that,” he said. “This evidence suggests that it hasn’t undermined it as much as they thought, at least not yet.”

Officers and enlisted troops, active-duty members and reservists, those who have served in combat and those who haven’t, all backed McCain by large margins, to about the same extent they supported President Bush four years ago.

About 69 percent of respondents said they voted for Bush in 2004, while about 16 percent voted for the Democratic nominee, Sen. John Kerry.

McCain’s majority wanes among women and disappears altogether among black respondents.

Nearly eight out of 10 black service members indicated they intend to vote for Obama despite his lack of military service and despite McCain’s record as a naval aviator and prisoner of war in Vietnam.

“I’m going to vote for Barack Obama,” said Marine Gunnery Sgt. Derrick Pipkin, a heavy equipment chief with the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing in Miramar, Calif., and a black man who said he served seven months in Iraq in 2005.

Pipkin said his vote was influenced more by the continued presence of 152,000 troops in Iraq than by race.

“I believe that we did our best for the country,” he said. “It’s time to move on.”

Iraq is third-biggest issue
Among the top issues for respondents in the survey, the war in Iraq ranks third; it was the top concern in the 2004 Military Times survey. Among white respondents in the most recent survey, the candidate’s character ranked as the top issue; African Americans cited the economy as most important.

Recent progress in stabilizing Iraq has helped McCain politically, Feaver said. McCain was an early supporter of the troop surge credited with helping to reduce violence in Baghdad and other areas of Iraq.

Similarly, the character question plays to McCain’s strength, Feaver said. His dramatic experience as a POW is embodied in his campaign slogan, “Country First,” and carries a particular resonance in the military community, as service members themselves indicated.

Army Sgt. 1st Class Derriel D. Collins, who is black, said he was influenced by McCain’s service record, though he acknowledges black friends question his decision.

“I’m not going to give [my vote] to you just because you’re black,” he said. “It doesn’t work like that.”

“John McCain went to war for this country, even though he had an admiral father who probably could have gotten him out of the service,” Collins said. “He stuck it out five years in a prisoner of war camp. If that ain’t fortitude, showing your willingness to go all the way, I don’t know what the credentials are.”

Army Sgt. Timothy Coen said he will vote for McCain because that would be in keeping with his political views.

“I just always voted conservative and on a lot of the issues at hand — gun rights and abortion — it just seemed like the more logical choice,” he said.

Coen, who is white, said he is proud to see a minority running on the ticket of a major political party.

“But we’d all be fools to think that the race card isn’t going to be played in this election,” he added. “As much as we’d like to say that discrimination or inequality is a thing of the past, it’s not.”

Daniel J. Becker, an enlisted airman who declined to provide his rank because he wanted his comments to reflect only his personal views and not those of the service or Defense Department, said he will vote for McCain because he has always leaned toward Republican candidates.

“I’ve always felt that the Republican Party was interested in having a stronger military, which leads to a stronger America,” he said. “That gives us a better voice in world politics and just makes us stand out as the world leaders that we are.”

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/10/military_poll_100508w/

[Smurf-Herder]

Many Iraq vets are fed up with the abomination & hypocrisy of that war.

Especially when you Repigs piss on them, voting down their veteran benefits when they get home.

And you're a lying bastard, Dis. He wasn't even there for the vote on this bill (which passed 75-22); and had co-sponsored a different bill. He never voted against the bill - but it passed anyway, veto-proof.

"The bill, which President Bush has threatened to veto, would pay tuition and other expenses at a four-year public university for anyone who has served at least three years since the 2001 terrorist attacks. McCain is a cosponsor of a different version of the bill that would require soldiers to have more time in the service to get full benefits and to encourage them to stay in the military as a career."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/23/mccain_misses_vote_on_a_new_gi_bill_scorns_critici sm_from_obama/

[disrupter]

I doubt that this survey is a representative sample.
Non-fanatics in the military probably don't subscribe to that rag,
only the careerists who will lie through their teeth to climb higher probably buy it.

[Sharon]

I doubt that this survey is a representative sample.
Non-fanatics in the military probably don't subscribe to that rag,
only the careerists who will lie through their teeth to climb higher probably buy it.
What the libs buy it?

[Smurf-Herder]

I doubt that this survey is a representative sample.
Non-fanatics in the military probably don't subscribe to that rag,
only the careerists who will lie through their teeth to climb higher probably buy it.

The fact that 23% are for Obama disproves your theory.

[disrupter]

[Democrats] sharply criticized the Bush administration for neglecting returning veterans
following the scandal over conditions at the Walter Reed Medical Center and have pushed through legislation which would improve medical benefits and expand college funding for returning veterans.

"Then you have Obama, who has exceptional appeal to three groups over-represented in the military: African Americans, Latinos and young people," Feaver said in a recent interview.

Obama, who served on the senate's veterans affairs committee and has been active in expanding benefits and fighting homelessness among veterans, has also tapped into discontent among veterans frustrated with the way the Iraq war has been handled and the strain that multiple deployments has put on families. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081101/pl_afp/usvotemilitary_081101160332

dream on in dreamland.

i will stick it out here in tangible reality.

[disrupter]

In Pennsylvania 46% is for McCain & 46% is for Obama

could your calculus be in error?

According to last week's Franklin & Marshall College Poll commissioned by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the latest score: 46 percent of the state's military vets registered to vote are siding with Vietnam war hero John McCain, the GOP standardbearer. An equal share is breaking for the Democratic nominee Barack Obama.http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/westmoreland/s_596302.html?source=rss&feed=10

[Smurf-Herder]

In Pennsylvania 46% is for McCain & 46% is for Obama

could your calculus be in error?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/westmoreland/s_596302.html?source=rss&feed=10

I started a thread on generic polls.

BTW, that's only pennsylvania.

[Smurf-Herder]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081101/pl_afp/usvotemilitary_081101160332

dream on in dreamland.

i will stick it out here in tangible reality.

Look back on what Gates did, concerning revelations about Walter Reed.

[Smurf-Herder]

Don't even get into benefits.

My kid served four years making more money than I do. They gave him $50,000 for college, a guaranteed low-interest home mortgage for up to $400,000 and health insurance for life.

[disrupter]

Gates fired some people, after the fact.

Bush is a deserter, what would you expect?
the GOP's big hero is a deserter.

A careless idiot who was clueless about invasions, occupation, & didn't even spend time & energy to adapt once it was undeniable how failed his plans were.

Iraq was & is a strategic error for the USA.
It has been ignored ["Mission Accomplished"].
It has cost an atrocious amount of money, lives & honor.

[Smurf-Herder]

Gates fired some people, after the fact.

Bush is a deserter, what would you expect?
the GOP's big hero is a deserter.

A careless idiot who was clueless about invasions, occupation, & didn't even spend time & energy to adapt once it was undeniable how failed his plans were.

Iraq was & is a strategic error for the USA.
It has been ignored ["Mission Accomplished"].
It has cost an atrocious amount of money, lives & honor.

Old news, old argument.

Sarah Palin is the true Hero of the GOP (whether they realize it yet or not).

BTW, I strongly disagreed on how the war was run under Rumsfeld. Everything changed when Petraeus and Gates came in. But I never disagreed with the basic premise - that Saddam had to be removed.

[Sharon]

Old news, old argument.

Sarah Palin is the true Hero of the GOP (whether they realize it yet or not).

BTW, I strongly disagreed on how the war was run under Rumsfeld. Everything changed when Petraeus and Gates came in. But I never disagreed with the basic premise - that Saddam had to be removed.
War was declared on us. We all need to remember 911! Disrupt and the likes probably welcomed it.

[Smurf-Herder]

War was declared on us. We all need to remember 911! Disrupt and the likes probably welcomed it.

There's a thread that keeps popping up for over a year (must have 100 pages by now), on the topic of how 911 was an inside job, perpetrated by Bush and neocons; and Disrupter is one of the main die-hard believers. I don't even bother to read whatever the latest "conspiracy" evidence is supposed to be.

[ROdger Right]

How can Iraq be considered a failure? For a scaled war that freed millions of people and set up a friendly or atleast neutral government towards the US in that area is worth more than we have paid. as youve probably read that deaths in october were im pretty sure lowest in the war at the number of 17-19 Americans. if we can get out of iraq with under 5,000 dead thats a textbook succes that can be used for the future but hopefully we will have someone with mor ebrains in office next time
being one of the wealthiest countries in the world should make the idea of spending trillions on and for oppressed people bearable, why else do we have wealth and freedom if not to share with others, didnt u go to kindergarden

[Smurf-Herder]

How can Iraq be considered a failure? For a scaled war that freed millions of people and set up a friendly or atleast neutral government towards the US in that area is worth more than we have paid. as youve probably read that deaths in october were im pretty sure lowest in the war at the number of 17-19 Americans. if we can get out of iraq with under 5,000 dead thats a textbook succes that can be used for the future but hopefully we will have someone with mor ebrains in office next time
being one of the wealthiest countries in the world should make the idea of spending trillions on and for oppressed people bearable, why else do we have wealth and freedom if not to share with others, didnt u go to kindergarden


I agree with you.

Initially, when we though Saddam would use chemical weapons against our advancing troops, we were talking about possibly losing up to 15,000 people in the first couple weeks.