Obama wants to speak to the Guard Council, so inexperienced

[SeedyROM]

Iranians are smarter than Obama. No President talks to the Revolutionary Guard Council directly, not even the Messiah. Stupid debate response, an inexperienced fool on national television, what a gas!!!!.

Obama didn't even know the appropriate name let alone that you can't go above the President of Iran. Outsiders and inexperienced politicians should know better. This council is nothing but the terrorist arm of the Iranian empire.

:lmao2: Maybe Obama should send Bill Ayers to chit chat on his behalf!!!

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/03/mccain_criticizes_obama_on_iran/

[asroc]

Obama didn't even know the appropriate name let alone that you can't go above the President of Iran. Outsiders and inexperienced politicians should know better.

The President of Iran is the highest elected official in the Islamic Republic of Iran, second only to the Supreme Leader.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Iran

The post of Supreme Leader (Persian: رهبر انقلاب, Rahbare Enqelab,[1] lit. Leader of the Revolution, or مقام رهبری, Maghame Rahbari,[2] lit. Leadership Authority) was created in the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran as the highest ranking political and religious authority of the nation, in accordance with the concept of Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Leader_of_Iran

It's the Supreme Leader Khamenei's coterie of diplomats an American President would be negotiating with, not with the Iranian President himself.

[SeedyROM]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Iran



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Leader_of_Iran

It's the Supreme Leader Khamenei's coterie of diplomats an American President would be negotiating with, not with the Iranian President himself.


LOL I know, please email this to Obama, he needs the education more than you or I. LOL :lmao2: :lmao2:

The Guard Rule over the President. The Iranian President would sit down with a Potus once the diplomatic steps were taken and pre-conditions were met. Its been a long time since but not out of the question. Obama didn't even know who he wanted to speak with or how or why he could not! LOL

[asroc]

LOL I know, please email this to Obama, he needs the education more than you or I. LOL :lmao2: :lmao2:

The Guard Rule over the President. The Iranian President would sit down with a Potus once the diplomatic steps were taken and pre-conditions were met. Its been a long time since but not out of the question. Obama didn't even know who he wanted to speak with or how or why he could not! LOL

I'm pretty certain that the role of President of Iran, in terms of foreign relations, is mostly to make very public overtures to appeal to his own base in Iran (insane rants at the UN, etc), and probably will never have a real hand in a possible future process of normalizing relations.

[SeedyROM]

I'm pretty certain that the role of President of Iran, in terms of foreign relations, is mostly to make very public overtures to appeal to his own base in Iran (insane rants at the UN, etc), and probably will never have a real hand in a possible future process of normalizing relations.

Actually you need to read up on the Presidents role, he is more than a figure head where FA is concerned. He is watched and Iran prefers he speak in native tongue so there is no chance of mis-speaking his words, a very protective and paranoid culture. Obama will never talk directly to the IRGC. The Presidents role is greater than you think. The USA wants to replace him with someone normal, no way to do it without force. The Crown Prince is favored by some in DC. Even though the man is exciled, he is still loved and cherished by Iranians.

[asroc]

I didn't say he was a figurehead. I only referred to his role in terms of foreign relations.

[SeedyROM]

Okay, but still the Iran issue is a problem. Any man speaking on foreign affairs should know his material. They have briefings and documents to educate candidates. And this man acted like he'd go over the President of Iran and speak directly to the terrorist arm of the government. Very narcissistic down right childish to think he has a better way. Other foreign leaders are judging and grading this man with every speech and they see what I see. A man who has many mental issues in common with W!!!

[asroc]

Do you really think any US President (D or R) is going to engage in negotiations with a hostile nation without a huge team behind him every step of the way? The idea that anyone would is absurd.

[Linkster]

More importantly - this is probably the most important thing he could possibly do unless you count talking with some So Amer leaders as well

He's just following in the footsteps of Nixon, Reagan etc who all figured out that talking is a hell of a lot better than fighting and destroying American lives.

[Smurf-Herder]

More importantly - this is probably the most important thing he could possibly do unless you count talking with some So Amer leaders as well

He's just following in the footsteps of Nixon, Reagan etc who all figured out that talking is a hell of a lot better than fighting and destroying American lives.


And you think they talked without preconditions?

[Independent Harry]

And you think they talked without preconditions?

They talked without the pre-conditions being, you do everytihng we want or no talking...

[Smurf-Herder]

They talked without the pre-conditions being, you do everytihng we want or no talking...


No.

Look up your history of Reagan and I think it was Andropov.

[Linkster]

Remembering there were actually quite a few months of preconditions on both sides with teams of negotiators (as there should be) just as there was when Condi Rice finally talked with the Iranians and the Syrians

[Smurf-Herder]

Remembering there were actually quite a few months of preconditions on both sides with teams of negotiators (as there should be) just as there was when Condi Rice finally talked with the Iranians and the Syrians

This is the whole point.

Obama was asked about meeting leaders of hostile countries without preconditions during the Democrat debates. And I believe he was the only one who answered yes. I know Biden and Clinton gave a definite No.

[Linkster]

Oh I agree he said some stupid things - hell they all did - but no president I dont care who you are - will go talk without preconditions - and it certainly wouldnt happen till after the State Dept was finished with all of their negotiations which will take years

[Smurf-Herder]

Oh I agree he said some stupid things - hell they all did - but no president I dont care who you are - will go talk without preconditions - and it certainly wouldnt happen till after the State Dept was finished with all of their negotiations which will take years

But this was one of the most controversial stupid things in the campaign; that has haunted Obama ever since. Apparently Obama thought he would score points with loyal followers - when he knew it wasn't possible in real life.

[Linkster]

I think its only haunted the extremists that hang on every word each of the candidates says (word for word) and try to use if to their positional benefit - both sides do it and is just part of the lowering of the educational standing of our country

[Smurf-Herder]

I think its only haunted the extremists that hang on every word each of the candidates says (word for word) and try to use if to their positional benefit - both sides do it and is just part of the lowering of the educational standing of our country

Look, he tried to make himself look different; and it backfired.

But he does it constantly - depending on whom he's talking to.

[Linkster]

They both do the back-flipping - I could show you 100 examples of both of them doing it depending on who they are talking to - its called politics - and every candidate since Adams has done it

[Smurf-Herder]

They both do the back-flipping - I could show you 100 examples of both of them doing it depending on who they are talking to - its called politics - and every candidate since Adams has done it

This was a critical statement on his part.

It defined his policies.

And he's still making foreign policy gaffes and naive statements - as expemplified by this very thread..

[Linkster]

I dont think either of the candidates knows his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to real foreign policy - as most candidates over the years havent - but just like all the others - either one of them will learn quickly dependant on their advisers as have many in the past.

I will tell you that the only one of all of the candidates that really scares me is Palin = anyone that talks about foreign policy the way she has, should be sent back to their house and forgotten about completely

[Smurf-Herder]

I dont think either of the candidates knows his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to real foreign policy - as most candidates over the years havent - but just like all the others - either one of them will learn quickly dependant on their advisers as have many in the past.

I will tell you that the only one of all of the candidates that really scares me is Palin = anyone that talks about foreign policy the way she has, should be sent back to their house and forgotten about completely

Actually, both McCain and Biden know a lot about foreign policy.

Their records speak for themselves on their differing views on it.

[Cat slave]

I dont think either of the candidates knows his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to real foreign policy - as most candidates over the years havent - but just like all the others - either one of them will learn quickly dependant on their advisers as have many in the past.

I will tell you that the only one of all of the candidates that really scares me is Palin = anyone that talks about foreign policy the way she has, should be sent back to their house and forgotten about completely

Linkster, are you sitting down? News flash...there is more to life than
foreign affairs! Try the ability to think on ones feet and be assertive
whether youre liked for it or not.

Talk about a loose cannon.....Biden....what a loon! BO obviously picked
him rather than Hitlary so he wouldnt have to watch his back 24-7!
Hes a joke and a poor one at that.

[SeedyROM]

I think its only haunted the extremists that hang on every word each of the candidates says (word for word) and try to use if to their positional benefit - both sides do it and is just part of the lowering of the educational standing of our country

There's nothing extremist about it. Obama's words are proof of inexperience and extreme narcissism called OCD. I posted this thread as a lead up to the OCD issues that plague Obama's decision making skills or lack thereof. Obama panders so often he in fact he has lowered the political education standard in this country.

[Binky]

LOL I know, please email this to Obama, he needs the education more than you or I. LOL :lmao2: :lmao2:

The Guard Rule over the President. The Iranian President would sit down with a Potus once the diplomatic steps were taken and pre-conditions were met. Its been a long time since but not out of the question. Obama didn't even know who he wanted to speak with or how or why he could not! LOL


And they say Sarah Palin isn't experienced enough. Ha! Guess that shows he isn't either.

[Binky]

Linkster, are you sitting down? News flash...there is more to life than
foreign affairs! Try the ability to think on ones feet and be assertive
whether youre liked for it or not.

Talk about a loose cannon.....Biden....what a loon! BO obviously picked
him rather than Hitlary so he wouldnt have to watch his back 24-7!
Hes a joke and a poor one at that.


LOL! :lmao2: He didn't pick Clinton because she would've stolen his limelight and he wasn't going to let that happen. The media loves her and gives her lots of attention. Therefore, it would detract from him.

[SeedyROM]

And they say Sarah Palin isn't experienced enough. Ha! Guess that shows he isn't either.

So true, the naive will never learn that this man is not qualified!