West Virginia Voters Report Machines Switching Obama votes to McCain

[disrupter]

Voting Machines Switch Votes; Officials Blame Voters -- Update
By Kim Zetter EmailOctober 20, 2008 | 12:32:40 AMCategories: E-Voting, Election '08

Voters using touch-screen voting machines for early voting in two West Virginia counties have complained that when they tried to vote for Democratic candidates, the machine registered their vote for other Republican candidates instead.

At least three voters in Jackson County, West Virginia, complained that when they tried to cast a vote for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, the machine recorded a check in the box for Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

One of the voters reported the same problem in the governor and state senate races. In each case, the voter tried to cast a vote for a Democratic candidate, but the machine marked his vote for the Republican challenger instead. Another voter who tried to cast votes for two state Supreme Court candidates said the machine cancelled one of her choices twice before it finally accepted her selection.

Three other voters in Putnam County say they had the same problem.

Jackson County Clerk Jeff Waybright blamed voters for not touching the screen properly and said that 400 other voters had cast ballots on the machine with no problem. But he agreed to recalibrate the machine's screen after the Secretary of State's office contacted him.

Putnam County's election director complained to the Charleston Gazette that there are "so many negative stories out there and not enough positive ones. We want people to vote. People need to know the facts."

Jackson County uses a touch-screen machine made by Election Systems & Software for early voting. The county uses touch-screen machines with a voter-verified paper trail at polling places on election day.

Putnam County also uses ES&S machines but offers early voters the option of voting on a touch-screen machine or an optical scan machine, which uses a full-size paper ballot. On election day, the county uses optical-scan machines at polling places.

Earlier this year during primaries, Faulkner County, Arkansas reported a different kind of vote-flipping problem involving ES&S touch-screen machines. Two touch-screen machines allocated votes for one race to another race entirely -- a race that wasn't even on the ballot.

ES&S's tabulation software was blamed for another vote-flipping problem in Lawrence County, Ohio last year. In that case, tallies printed from ES&S machines allocated 374 votes to Bill Robinson and 170 votes to Allan Blankenship in a race for Hamilton Township trustee. But the tabulation program at county headquarters flipped the numbers and gave 170 to Robinson and 374 to Blankenship.

UPDATE: More voters in Putnam County have come forward to say they had the same problem with touch-screen machines during early voting.
And a third county, Ohio County, has also experienced the problem with its touch-screen machines during early voting. The Ohio County story notes that the touch-screen machines are outfitted with voter-verified paper audit trails that print out a voter's choices as he makes them and re-prints the choices if a voter changes his mind. I don't know if that's true for every county in West Virginia. Election officials haven't responded to my call yet, but I found a page on West Virginia's state election site that seems to indicate that all touch-screen machines used in the state for early voting do produce a paper trail.

On election day, all counties in West Virginia use ES&S voting machines -- either touch-screen machines with paper trails or optical-scan machines -- except two counties that use regular paper ballots instead of voting machines. Counties across the state are now being instructed to re-calibrate their touch-screen machines.http://dcjunkies.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=3

Even if you don't suspect chicanery & IMO that is up for grabs,
This blows confidence in election results out the window.

And what IS odd is there are NO reports so far of votes being switched from Obama to McCain.
that sounds like a statistical improbability.

The GOP are corrupt gangsters.
They can only be trusted to violate all things decent & principled, including righteous law & order as well as the constitution.

[disrupter]

Note, this is occurring where Republicans are in charge of the election/voting process.

Don't vote Republican unless you like having known criminals in office.

[Moby]

After spending a decade in the data security industry I can tell you that there is only one reason to go with electronic voting machines that have no paper trail and that's not to make voting more accurate.

[herdnantz]

Note, this is occurring where Republicans are in charge of the election/voting process.

Don't vote Republican unless you like having known criminals in office.

Where do you vote. The local Board of Elections anywhere (in America) is neither Democrat not Republican. No one party is in charge of anything. Why do you think there is this much confusion?

[Moby]

Where do you vote. The local Board of Elections anywhere (in America) is neither Democrat not Republican. No one party is in charge of anything. Why do you think there is this much confusion?
Most votes in American are now cast on machines from either Diebold or ES&S. Both of these companies are huge long term supporters of the Bush family. Chuck Hagel was even CEO of ES&S until he ran for office and then the vote was on 100% ES&S machines.

The members of each Board of Elections have some party affiliation as they are usually registered voters themselves. In most areas people are smart enough to ensure that there is a good split between the two major parties and independents. In others that's not the case.

In 2004 and 2006 almost all reported voting machine problems such as over 70% failure rates, dropped votes or miscounted votes favored Republicans, the party that gets the most money and support from the manufacturers.

People think ACORN is a big thing because they've never looked at the voting machine connections which go much deeper.

[disrupter]

herdnantz is a puss filled green alien.

Kill it before the communicable diseases it carries are spread.

Set it on fire. Burn it clean.

[Smurf-Herder]

I saw them do this on TV.

It's a touch-screen, with each candidate having a half inch by 4 inch box, separated by about a sixteenth of an inch; McCain on top and Obama underneath - with each name being right up on the top edge of each box.

If the idiots who voted pushed on the name of Obama (instead of the middle of the box), the top half of their figertip was on the bottom half of McCain's box. And just turning up on their finger while pushing exerts more pressure on the bottom half of McCain's box; and registers a vote for McCain - just like it did with the reporter on TV.

[Moby]

I saw them do this on TV.

It's a touch-screen, with each candidate having a half inch by 4 inch box, separated by about a sixteenth of an inch; McCain on top and Obama underneath - with each name being right up on the top edge of each box.

If the idiots who voted pushed on the name of Obama (instead of the middle of the box), the top half of their figertip was on the bottom half of McCain's box. And just turning up on their finger while pushing exerts more pressure on the bottom half of McCain's box; and registers a vote for McCain - just like it did with the reporter on TV.
I guess if you saw it on TV then it must be true :lmao2:

[Smurf-Herder]

I guess if you saw it on TV then it must be true :lmao2:

Are you accusing me of lying?

I saw a finger push the Obama button, registering a McCain vote - because somebody put their finger pad on the name Obama, then when they exerted pressure, it was on the tip of their finger overlapping the bottom of the McCain box over Obama's. I can see with my own eyes how it can happen; and there's only a small number of cases of this - people who are sloppy touch-screen users.

[Moby]

Are you accusing me of lying?

I saw a finger push the Obama button, registering a McCain vote - because somebody put their finger pad on the name Obama, then when they exerted pressure, it was on the tip of their finger overlapping the bottom of the McCain box over Obama's. I can see with my own eyes how it can happen; and there's only a small number of cases of this - people who are sloppy touch-screen users.
I see your logic and I've seen it work before. There might be a little more to the story.

This is just like all the attacks on Sarah Palin's family and Joe The Plumber. You have to search to find one example but once you do it encompasses all of the media, all the democrats and over 1/2 of America.

This thought process is very primitive. Look for anything to support your claim. Stop and believe forever that you've found the answer. Never look further. Never question again.

Just stop and accept what you've been told if it fits your belief.

[Smurf-Herder]

I see your logic and I've seen it work before. There might be a little more to the story.

This is just like all the attacks on Sarah Palin's family and Joe The Plumber. You have to search to find one example but once you do it encompasses all of the media, all the democrats and over 1/2 of America.

This thought process is very primitive. Look for anything to support your claim. Stop and believe forever that you've found the answer. Never look further. Never question again.

Just stop and accept what you've been told if it fits your belief.

You can say the exact same thing about the initial accusation.

[disrupter]

blame the victim.

that makes it so much easier for the criminals.

[Moby]

You can say the exact same thing about the initial accusation.
I've looked very deeply and spoken to dozens of data security analysts and none of them beleive going with pure electronic voting machines is a good thing. Sure, a few studies funded by the administration show that it is but I haven't seen any independent studies. In fact, I've seen a number of universities show how easily these machines could be hacked.

I've also done quite a bit of research in the source of these machines, who had the power to buy them and party affiliations of those that profited not only from selling the machines but the campaign donations and fund raising of those that purchased the machines.

Your point brings up two questions.

1. Why is the screen designed in such a way that a fat finger helps McCain instead of hurting McCain? Apparently no clear button to start over either. With paper bailouts you could walk out of the booth and ask for a new one.
2. Why have you already come to a conclusion? I certainly haven't but there's a lot of evidence, years of evidence to support what I'm starting to believe. You claim to have one TV show.

See the differences?

[Sharon]

LOL you're nutz. Pay backs are a bitch huh? It's ok for Obama 's cronies to pull some fast ones. But the conservatives shouldn't dream of doing the same. We wouldn't, we're too good to stoop that low.

[disrupter]

Sharon is taking drugs.

she is not responsible for what she is saying,

apologies everyone.

[herdnantz]

Your point brings up two questions.

1. Why is the screen designed in such a way that a fat finger helps McCain instead of hurting McCain? Apparently no clear button to start over either. With paper bailouts you could walk out of the booth and ask for a new one.

See the differences?


God Lord! You do realize those machines were designed before McCain won the nomination? Perhaps you should just pose that question on a Conspiracy Theory website. Maybe it really was all part of a greater plan. lol :lmao2:

[Sharon]

LOL, not. Hey disrupter, ACORN!

[disrupter]

The right wing is nothing more than a bunch of insider, criminal gangsters.

it is just a fact.

[Sharon]

ACORN for obama

[disrupter]

Premier [aka Diebold] for Bush/McCain.

Nothing has faster slight of hand than computer directed electrons.

[Independent Harry]

God Lord! You do realize those machines were designed before McCain won the nomination? Perhaps you should just pose that question on a Conspiracy Theory website. Maybe it really was all part of a greater plan. lol :lmao2:

are you retarded, the point is that the machines can be set up that a fat finger helps anyone they want it to. Which is generally the republican considering the people that build these machines are avid supporters of the republican party..

This isn't a conspiracy theory you tool, its proven fact these machines are easily hackable and manipulated...

[Sharon]

COOL conservatives are competative huh? An eye for an eye. An ACORN for an ACORN.
Fun to discuss, but conservatives are too good to stoop. Thx.

[Sharon]

So was Palin's email. Maybe that little bastard from, Tennessee was it? Maybe he did it. Ya know the Democratic Senators son who got a slap on the hand.

[Moby]

God Lord! You do realize those machines were designed before McCain won the nomination? Perhaps you should just pose that question on a Conspiracy Theory website. Maybe it really was all part of a greater plan. lol :lmao2:
You do realize that the GOP and The PNAC were in existence before this election don't you? :lmao2:

Trust me. McCain has nothing to do with any voter tampering in any way. I would bet a lot of money on that.

The world existed long before McCain got the nomination and the same people that pulled for Bush in 2000 are now pulling for McCain today.

[disrupter]

Conservatives are the lowest form of life.

Vile, criminal cynics.

They believe in dirt. It is their very essence.

their belief in a psycho barbarian god is absolute proof of it.

the real trouble with them is they want force you to join them in the dirt.
Not while i'm breathing.

[Sharon]

Then stop breathing. You'll be more likeable.

[herdnantz]

Trust me. McCain has nothing to do with any voter tampering in any way.

Thanks I just needed to hear you say that.:p

[Moby]

Thanks I just needed to hear you say that.:p
You act like he's the only one involved with the election though.

How old are you?

[seeVoteDan]

seeVote exposes this instantly!

http://www.seeVote.com

always exposed fraud eliminates attempts

[Dale escondido]

I see your logic and I've seen it work before. There might be a little more to the story.

This is just like all the attacks on Sarah Palin's family and Joe The Plumber. You have to search to find one example but once you do it encompasses all of the media, all the democrats and over 1/2 of America.

This thought process is very primitive. Look for anything to support your claim. Stop and believe forever that you've found the answer. Never look further. Never question again.

Just stop and accept what you've been told if it fits your belief.

Never have truer words been spoke,:thumbsup:
And then add incorrect or agenda motivated information and you have blue and red.
The powers to be would shit their drawers if we ever saw thru this crap.

[disrupter]

McCain has people who tamper with the votes for him.
just like Bush, plausible deniability, along with psychotic delusions that it didn't actually happen.

Just like he doesn't drive a car or pump his own gas, which is why he is clueless about the price.

[Sharon]

McCain has people who tamper with the votes for him.
just like Bush, plausible deniability, along with psychotic delusions that it didn't actually happen.

Just like he doesn't drive a car or pump his own gas, which is why he is clueless about the price.



It is okay that ACORN steals 100's of thousands of votes for obama. It is ok that he put them up to it, right? Hell no it isn't right. Neither is obama. It is the only way he can get there, to lie and steal his way. McCain wouldn't do that, he is too good to steal votes or to have them stolen for him! If that is going on, McCain would be upset about it. You desperate liberals will do or say anything to put an extreme muslim with terrorist ties in the white house. You're all stupid and sick. All that you say about republicans, disrupter, is true about the very corrupt dems that you seem to be in favor of. You're not good enough to be on the right side.
So carry on.