Gonna be an intersting election year

[Tommy]

Joe Lieberman is gonna have to run as an indepentant

Cynthia McKinney is history

and Delay says he wont run which forces the republician party to a write in campain :taunt:


Bob Ney is also history and the Republican Party doesnt have a eligible canidate right now

and according to this poll
voters are likely to dump incumbants
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14243295/

a lot of the idiots from the 2 houses have stepped out of line lately
and most of em act like who the fuck they think they are

the arrogance and bs partisanship shown over the last 2 years is unbeleivable

I think this is gonna send a strong message

I am even a little excited and looking foward to November

[Bill]

People are very angry with congress, and with good reason.

Both the Senate and the House have completely abandoned conservative principles.

'Values' voting is not the same as conservative voting.

[SirMoby]

I think people will continue to vote along party lines and forget about their own values or the reasons they originally supported a party. If anyone gets reelected after over 3,000 riders were attached to the highway bill then we've all have either abandoned common sense or simply do not care about our children.

[docholly]

I read somewhere Pataki is thinking of running for President.

[Tommy]

I read somewhere Pataki is thinking of running for President.

I heard that to but I doubt he could even carry the vote from NY

I hear Bloomberg is thinking about running also

2008 might be the year of the new yorkers

[docholly]

:reading: hmm maybe a guilani/bloomberg ticket.

i like this guy from IL --Obama but really if we aren't "ready" for a woman we certainly aren't ready for a 1/2 black man. :rolleyes:

we have primaries here in NV next week. once again the lessor of the 2 evils.

[docholly]

I must really be "mellowing" in my old age...

I woke up this morning at like 2am and had this brain fart.. Hmm what about Jimmy Carter -- he could run again as he only served 1 term--and i was def. anti-carter having lived for a short period of time while he was gov. of ga.. but he was, at the time in my opinion, the most indecisive president.

now i think i'd actively campaign for him..

ok he's 82.. it's just not going to happen.. must have been the peanuts i ate just before going to bed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ElectoralCollege1976-Large.png

that is a picture from the 1976 election .. note the "red" states are the demos(Carter) and the Blue are Rep (Ford).. how much we have shifted.

oh well it was just a middle of the night brain fart

[SirMoby]

that is a picture from the 1976 election .. note the "red" states are the demos(Carter) and the Blue are Rep (Ford).. how much we have shifted.
I've always found it interesting that The South used to be a Democratic area because the dems were always good for their economic and educational development. Once the reps started playing the religious card and enlisting church leaders they started voting against their economic and educational benefits. Of course this makes them more poor and uneducated then before, well, unless they're a church leader because the church dollars have grown at a huge rate since the change.

Why the poor and uneducated keep voting for the group that keeps widening the gap between the poor and middle class is beyond me.

[Tommy]

Docholly thats a good link
wow look at that NY is a red state, voting with texas

I thought that red-blue thing was new

sirmoby the southern republicians are more single issue voters

easely mobilized with a little bigotry

look at todays red states
those are the same states that had KKK chapters

they keep saying lets put gay marriage to a vote

what about during the civil war
what if we put slavery to a vote then
all those republician states would have voted for in favor
and they would have been wrong

[docholly]

What is really interesting is the comparison:

2000 electoral (dems now blue and rep are red--funny communist comparative--)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_presidential_election_2000_map.svg#file

2004

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US_presidential_election_2004_map.svg

texas in 2004 had 34 votes vs. NY 31.

Look at the shift also in growth of other "fly over" states. mostly the south. The migration of business from the northeastern corridore which is dominated by higher costs in wages, benefits etc to the very low wage and low expectation southern states particularly the "bible belt" states.

Couple that growth with the religious and "family values" package and there emerges a very clear picture of how voters are manipulated by 'fear' tactics of losing jobs to "illegals" or "outsourcing", the "god & country" card and the fact that the education level is still relative low so all it takes is the right reverend Pat Robertson to endorse or even just talk about his favorite conservative candidate and those sheeple will just go with him because he is a "fine christian man"

[Jurgen P. Kuhl]

I've always found it interesting that The South used to be a Democratic area because the dems were always good for their economic and educational development. Once the reps started playing the religious card and enlisting church leaders they started voting against their economic and educational benefits. Of course this makes them more poor and uneducated then before, well, unless they're a church leader because the church dollars have grown at a huge rate since the change.

Why the poor and uneducated keep voting for the group that keeps widening the gap between the poor and middle class is beyond me.

Why should anyone vote, enslave himself voluntarily to an other person; honest or dishonest ? Why not try Direct Democracy ?

[SirMoby]

Why should anyone vote, enslave himself voluntarily to an other person; honest or dishonest ? Why not try Direct Democracy ?
Maybe because that's how this country works? :disbelief:

[Jurgen P. Kuhl]

I think that President Jefferson defined Democracy as a Government of the People but he did not say : of, by and for all the People of the United States of America. Therefore, it excluded Blacks, Natve Indians, Women and persons of Oriental background. I do not call that a Democracy. A Democracy of, by and for all the People with American citzenship, excluding all citizens which carry dual citizenships, should have the right to vote on issues directly without the need of a go-between, Representative. I cannot understand that educated people are still so gulleble to vote, enslave themselves to Politicians. No person with two citizenships should be allowed to hold any office with any importance in Government, Media, Health and Education.

[RawAlex]

Democracy only happens when all the people vote on all the issues at each turn. Otherwise, it is a democracy for the day of the election, and an effective group dictatorship until the next election.

The US is good because of the balancing effects of the house, congress, and mid term elections that allow the people to an extent to step in at the 2 year mark and say "this sucks".

My guess is that this election is going to go very much to the Dems only because of the "this sucks" factor, no matter how many terrorist fear mongered tales Bush, Cheney, and Rove can dream up. The Dems only have to show the american troops dying in an unpopular war that isn't directly attached to terrorism, and Bush's house of cards fall down.

Shift the house or Senate (or both) and suddenly we have the lamest of lame duck Presidents.