What do you hate msot about freedom?

[kres24GT]

I see most of you here are real life version of my anti-freedom character and really do hate freedom. How do you know if you hate freedom or not? If you vote for Republicans and/or Democrats and support even a fraction of their policies you hate freedom.

Don't give me any BS political speak, just be honest about why you hate freedom. Do you hate it simply because you are a party sheep? Do you despise the responsibility that comes with it? What is it about freedom that causes you to constantly vote for its destruction?

[stefan segal]

Kres...you seem pretty good at slinging your tar brush at anyone or everyone.

At a time when there is so much in this country that's fucked up, throwing stones at those around you just don't get it...it's answers that do.

Why don't you explain to us residents of USA in 2007 just what is the most effective means for displaying our love of freedom.

It could be we just need someone smart to point out the direction to the "good old days" of life and liberty.

Don't play coy now...just spit it out..I'm all a twitter siezed by suspense.

Stefan

[kres24GT]

Here is a good start:

Don't vote for big government parties who are constantly legislating away freedoms and dead set on increasing government dependence instead of decreasing it.

The size of the federal government is so far beyond what the founding fathers envisioned we might as well wipe our ass with the constitution.

Anyone a fan of the 10th amendment? Does anyone even remember what it is? If we are going to constantly legislate away freedoms let's at least do it constitutionally and create a free market of states competing for tax dollars via their legislative tendencies.

Government is a necessary evil.

[Linkster]

In answer to your 10th Amendment question - sure - I remember that there was one - at one time - but since Federalism is pretty much dead it doesnt mean shit - and congress can just pass anything it wants - as it has proved many times

As far as freedom - if you are talking about governmental declared freedoms - then depending on a politician to secure that for you would be folly - and I think any educated person knows that - as far as personal freedoms and how I interpret them within myself - Im able to and do do anything I damn well please - within my physical limitations. As long as my freedoms do not infringe on anyone elses freedoms I am able to do anything in the world.
As far as what the government thinks my freedoms are - well - they may think they have a lock on that but they dont have a clue :)

[kres24GT]

In answer to your 10th Amendment question - sure - I remember that there was one - at one time - but since Federalism is pretty much dead it doesnt mean shit - and congress can just pass anything it wants - as it has proved many times

As far as freedom - if you are talking about governmental declared freedoms - then depending on a politician to secure that for you would be folly - and I think any educated person knows that - as far as personal freedoms and how I interpret them within myself - Im able to and do do anything I damn well please - within my physical limitations. As long as my freedoms do not infringe on anyone elses freedoms I am able to do anything in the world.
As far as what the government thinks my freedoms are - well - they may think they have a lock on that but they dont have a clue :)


I am with you on that.


I am up on a lot of things, but one thing I can never understand is Constitutional Law. How did they keep passing things that clearly aren't the function of the federal government (and therefore delegated to the states) and get them through as being Constitutional?

The one that is really going to give me a headache is socialized medicine. This will have to require and Amendment, right? No way they can make a case this a function of the federal government, as powers are assigned by the constitution.

[Linkster]

kres - do a search on Google for the commerce clause - it is the exemption primarily used to make things the governments business when it really shouldnt be - fortunately way back in history when that clause was implemented the supreme court was good about keeping it in check - a while back one president tried to change the makeup of the court by trying to increase the number of judges to 15 - and then loading the court with his appointees - to make sure that he could get his stuff through. This was of course defeated and ever since the court of nine has been pretty good at preventing most idiotic ploys
Unfortunately now we have gone with so many years of one political party, that the court is now on the side of big biz, so you can expect loads more rulings like the eminent domain ruling last year that totally go against the constitution- but are good for the politicians and their buds :)

[kres24GT]

kres - do a search on Google for the commerce clause - it is the exemption primarily used to make things the governments business when it really shouldnt be - fortunately way back in history when that clause was implemented the supreme court was good about keeping it in check - a while back one president tried to change the makeup of the court by trying to increase the number of judges to 15 - and then loading the court with his appointees - to make sure that he could get his stuff through. This was of course defeated and ever since the court of nine has been pretty good at preventing most idiotic ploys
Unfortunately now we have gone with so many years of one political party, that the court is now on the side of big biz, so you can expect loads more rulings like the eminent domain ruling last year that totally go against the constitution- but are good for the politicians and their buds :)


Sucks for us, the masses will eat it up though if they think it makes them have to be a little less responsible.

[Bill]

_Most_? I think that's an exaggeration.

What's your suggested alternative to dems or pubs?

It's nice to see you come out of your character.

[kres24GT]

Bill, vote for socialist for all I care, just get these two corrupt parties out of power.

[Bill]

Kres, that's functionally the same as having no answer.

You're not likely to get much argument that the dems and pubs are two halves of the same party, the Pluto-Corps party. And that the choice between them is a false choice.

Personally, I think things have been more fun with teh pluto-dems holding the illusion of control, so altho I'm registered lib, I'm not unhappy that I voted dem last year, so far.

The libs have been as useless as tits on a boar hog, and tend to be infested with religious rightists who are just anti federalist, not real libertarians.

Like you say with your character, americans are mostly useless pussies who are afraid of their own shadows and desperately seek parental supervision to protect them from the responsibilities of their lives.

But what can you do about it?

[kres24GT]

Kres, that's functionally the same as having no answer.

You're not likely to get much argument that the dems and pubs are two halves of the same party, the Pluto-Corps party. And that the choice between them is a false choice.

Personally, I think things have been more fun with teh pluto-dems holding the illusion of control, so altho I'm registered lib, I'm not unhappy that I voted dem last year, so far.

The libs have been as useless as tits on a boar hog, and tend to be infested with religious rightists who are just anti federalist, not real libertarians.

Like you say with your character, americans are mostly useless pussies who are afraid of their own shadows and desperately seek parental supervision to protect them from the responsibilities of their lives.

But what can you do about it?




Go on message boards pretending to be someone who hates freedom?

[Bill]

Go on message boards pretending to be someone who hates freedom?

Well, if that's all that can be done we are all pretty much fucked.

It's true that most american men have BB-sized testicles held in shriveled up little hairless metrosexual sacs.

I hear that stockbrokers and bankers have to turn over their little BBs to their companies in exchange for their expense accounts. They are kept in alcohol filled jars behind a mahagony panel in the boardroom. Pretty soon that will be standard practice all over Pussy-merica, I expect.

Surely you can come up with a better plan than comedic characters. We can't all be Colberts.

[kres24GT]

The only thing I can tell you is to vote for change. Changing from Reps to Dems and back again accomplishes nothing. Those who think it does are blind or stupid.

Vote these clowns out is the only thing we can do.

[kres24GT]

I think it would also help to know Bill, who exactly people have become so opposed to freedom and want government to act as both a parent and a provider. Which is why I asked the original question. It really amazes me how much people in this country are willing to sacrifice every freedom they have to feel a little safer or to make their life a little easier.

[Bill]

The only thing I can tell you is to vote for change. Changing from Reps to Dems and back again accomplishes nothing. Those who think it does are blind or stupid.

Vote these clowns out is the only thing we can do.

Well, I've never voted for the pubs.

Voted for whatshisname, Perot, once.

In the past I voted libertarian, which is a thrown away protest vote.

Voted for Al Gore, because I'm a bit of a single issue voter - the looming end of the oil age is my issue.

I disagree there's nothing else we can do - we can make ourselves tougher.

The reason most americans are such pussies is that it's way easier being soft and childlike - the corporations and institutions will take care of you if you give up your manhood, they won't if you don't.

One doesn't have to become completely tough - even a little extra toughness is better than nothing.