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stefan segal
01-30-2007, 01:04 PM
This is a very unsettling evolvement of government power to trash rights and physically destroy and seize personal property at will. With the complex of empty prison camps waiting for customers...I find I don't feel safer as a citizen.

I pasted the piece in it's entirity to encourage reading the whole article.

Forewarned is forearmed

Stefan

http://www.rense.com/general75/emp.htm

The Empire Turns Its
Guns On The Citizenry
By Paul Craig Roberts
1-29-7


In recent years, American police forces have called out SWAT teams 40,000 or more times annually. Last year did you read in your newspaper or hear on TV news of 110 hostage or terrorist events each day? No. What then were the SWAT teams doing? They were serving routine warrants to people who posed no danger to the police or to the public.


Occasionally Washington think tanks produce reports that are not special pleading for donors. One such report is Radley Balko's "Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America" (Cato Institute, 2006).

This 100-page report is extremely important and should have been published as a book. SWAT teams ("special weapons and tactics") were once rare and used only for very dangerous situations, often involving hostages held by armed criminals. Today SWAT teams are deployed for routine police duties. In the U.S. today, 75-80 percent of SWAT deployments are for warrant service.

In a high percentage of the cases, the SWAT teams forcefully enter the wrong address, resulting in death, injury, and trauma to perfectly innocent people. Occasionally, highly keyed-up police kill one another in the confusion caused by their stun grenades.

Mr. Balko reports that the use of paramilitary police units began in Los Angeles in the 1960s. The militarization of local police forces got a big boost from Attorney General Ed Meese's "war on drugs" during the Reagan administration. A National Security Decision Directive was issued that declared drugs to be a threat to U.S. national security. In 1988 Congress ordered the National Guard into the domestic drug war. In 1994 the Department of Defense issued a memorandum authorizing the transfer of military equipment and technology to state and local police, and Congress created a program "to facilitate handing military gear over to civilian police agencies."

Today 17,000 local police forces are equipped with such military equipment as Blackhawk helicopters, machine guns, grenade launchers, battering rams, explosives, chemical sprays, body armor, night vision, rappelling gear, and armored vehicles. Some have tanks. In 1999, the New York Times reported that a retired police chief in New Haven, Conn., told the newspaper, "I was offered tanks, bazookas, anything I wanted." Balko reports that in 1997, for example, police departments received 1.2 million pieces of military equipment.

With local police forces now armed beyond the standard of U.S. heavy infantry, police forces have been retrained "to vaporize, not Mirandize," to use a phrase from Reagan administration Defense official Lawrence Korb. This leaves the public at the mercy of brutal actions based on bad police information from paid informers.

SWAT team deployments received a huge boost from the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant program, which gave states federal money for drug enforcement. Balko explains that "the states then disbursed the money to local police departments on the basis of each department's number of drug arrests."

With financial incentives to maximize drug arrests and with idle SWAT teams due to a paucity of hostage or other dangerous situations, local police chiefs threw their SWAT teams into drug enforcement. In practice, this has meant using SWAT teams to serve warrants on drug users.

SWAT teams serve warrants by breaking into homes and apartments at night while people are sleeping, often using stun grenades and other devices to disorient the occupants. As much of the police's drug information comes from professional informers known as "snitches" who tip off police for cash rewards, dropped charges, and reduced sentences, names and addresses are often pulled out of a hat. Balko provides details for 135 tragic cases of mistaken addresses.

SWAT teams are not held accountable for their tragic mistakes and gratuitous brutality. Police killings got so bad in Albuquerque, N.M., for example, that the city hired criminologist Sam Walker to conduct an investigation of police tactics. Killings by police were "off the charts," Walker found, because the SWAT team "had an organizational culture that led them to escalate situations upward rather then de-escalating."

The mindset of militarized SWAT teams is geared to "taking out" or killing the suspect * thus, the many deaths from SWAT team utilization. Many innocent people are killed in nighttime SWAT team entries, because they don't realize that it is the police who have broken into their homes. They believe they are confronted by dangerous criminals, and when they try to defend themselves they are shot down by the police.

As Lawrence Stratton and I have reported, one of many corrupting influences on the criminal justice (sic) system is the practice of paying "snitches" to generate suspects. In 1995 the Boston Globe profiled people who lived entirely off the fees that they were paid as police informants. Snitches create suspects by selling a small amount of marijuana to a person whom they then report to the police as being in possession of drugs. Balko reports that "an overwhelming number of mistaken raids take place because police relied on information from confidential informants." In Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina, 87 percent of drug raids originated in tips from snitches.

Many police informers are themselves drug dealers who avoid arrest and knock off competitors by serving as police snitches.

Surveying the deplorable situation, the National Law Journal concluded: "Criminals have been turned into instruments of law enforcement, while law enforcement officers have become criminal co-conspirators."

Balko believes the problem could be reduced if judges scrutinized unreliable information before issuing warrants. If judges would actually do their jobs, there would be fewer innocent victims of SWAT brutality. However, as long as the war on drugs persists and as long as it produces financial rewards to police departments, local police forces, saturated with military weapons and war imagery, will continue to terrorize American citizens.

exarmyranger
01-30-2007, 07:23 PM
Without prohibition,good ole Joe Kennedy.Could not have imassed his fortune,which led to among other things,J.F.K.'s,becoming President,as well as his and brother Robert's(Bobby)assasination's...The people within the drug trade(s)here,and abroad,from growers,to proccessers,to smugglers,distributers,to street level dealers,and the agency(s)with-in gov.Who direct and oversee,the so called war on drugs.S.S.,D.E.A.,F.B.I.,A.T.F.,and dare I say it the,c.i.a... are for the most part...interchangeble...you give me this/and we won't mess with that,is the standard dialouge of all those involved.Justice is blind without the blindfold to.ex

Bill
01-30-2007, 08:18 PM
I wonder how the drug war is going?

Have the drugs won yet?

exarmyranger
01-30-2007, 09:17 PM
I wonder how the drug war is going?

Have the drugs won yet?I'll let you know a.s.a.p.Now what was the question? LOL,ex

stefan segal
01-30-2007, 09:52 PM
I know you guys didn't read this article...the problem is with junky snitches directing SWAT teams to take out their competition...Swat teams going to the wrong addresses and killing people, and not held accountable for warrentless house breaking and murder...you get the idea from this snip of the post above...

Stefan

SWAT teams serve warrants by breaking into homes and apartments at night while people are sleeping, often using stun grenades and other devices to disorient the occupants. As much of the police's drug information comes from professional informers known as "snitches" who tip off police for cash rewards, dropped charges, and reduced sentences, names and addresses are often pulled out of a hat. Balko provides details for 135 tragic cases of mistaken addresses.

SWAT teams are not held accountable for their tragic mistakes and gratuitous brutality. Police killings got so bad in Albuquerque, N.M., for example, that the city hired criminologist Sam Walker to conduct an investigation of police tactics. Killings by police were "off the charts," Walker found, because the SWAT team "had an organizational culture that led them to escalate situations upward rather then de-escalating."

The mindset of militarized SWAT teams is geared to "taking out" or killing the suspect * thus, the many deaths from SWAT team utilization. Many innocent people are killed in nighttime SWAT team entries, because they don't realize that it is the police who have broken into their homes. They believe they are confronted by dangerous criminals, and when they try to defend themselves they are shot down by the police.

kres24GT
01-31-2007, 10:34 AM
Why is it government's job to tell us what we can put into our bodies? The FDA, the War on Drugs, all the other government agencies and programs that tell us what is OK and what isn't... these aren't the people I want in charge of determining what goes in my body. I want to make that decision. More big government garbage.

stefan segal
01-31-2007, 11:05 AM
Kres...the sizzle, is not the argument...the steak is that "warring" on drugs keeps the street price high enough to finance black ops, on the one hand, and your front door provides the training sessions for the administration's private army.

This army will be used against us... "in times of national interest and protection", (easiest to trigger and most powerful, is the medical & health emergency which suspends all citizen rights including ownership of "needed" property, for 60 days quarenteen...obey or be shot...no bullshit read the law).

This SWAt army will be the front line shock thugs...because unlike uncle joe stalin, butch has no access to mongolians with machineguns who understand only "shoot to kill" orders...and nothing of the parent language of their new posts...hence the large numbers of front door attacks and requisite murders of civilians.

Stefan

kres24GT
01-31-2007, 11:33 AM
It's what you get when you ask government to regulate your life. Legalize all drugs, and stop regulating what people eat, drink, inject, whatever, and all that other stuff goes away.

If you want government to control these things, you have to take the inefficiency and corruptness that comes with it. You can call GWB all the names you want, he is no different than any other politician. If you want to delude yourself into thinking the guy you vote for is some sort of model citizen and not a corrupt power hungry politician, you are free to do so... for now anyway.


99% of the people in Washington would gladly rape your mother and shoot you and your entire family in the head execution style if they thought it meant a little more power or money.

Public servitude does not exist anymore, one could argue it hasn't existed since George Washington declined to run for a 3rd term. Corrupt, power hungry politicians are the only ones who get elected, if we are going to ask them to regulate this and that for us, you have to take the bad that comes with it. To expect otherwise is jsut plain stupid.

stefan segal
01-31-2007, 01:25 PM
Kres...you caught me at a weakened moment...I recently found/understand the reasons for Clinton's bad treaties, while giving all appearence of being a man of the people...The Big Dog is a Rhoades scholar...everyone knew that, but not what it means...the scholarships are given to those students all over the world, that are good subjects to push for world government...with English royals running the show...with a little help from their friends.

I wasn't completely enamoured...although he is awesomely intelligent. I first began to suspect character flaws during his impeachment...if he'd only grabbed Monica by the ears, then there would be no blue dress...case closed...,but the guy is sloppy in his personal habits...a sure sign of trouble at the top.

I now am behind Edwards and Richardson...until further notice.

I have no faith that an independant candidate can do more than function as a spoiler for dem numbers. John Henry pitted himself against a machine...and he died.

Since third parties generally are populist, the repugs wouldn't kill him/her unless they are running a KKK agenda or enlist god's backing...someone who does peel away the repug base...then they're dead meat.

We have to play the cards we're dealt...the gov. will never just walk away...if they're run out...we must appoint or elect their replacement.

The trouble with government, is the trouble with people...people without an internal set of ethics they follow regardless of the enticement or threat, are shit.

Stefan

kres24GT
01-31-2007, 01:54 PM
That is your prerogative Stefan. When you vote for guys with Rs and Ds next to their name you know what you are getting, a power hungry corrupt man who will do anyhting for his power or the party's power. You can disillusion yourself into believing voting for a D over an R (or vise versa) really makes a difference, but it doesn't. They are one and the same. Both parties hate freedom, love power, are corrupt, and will put their own political aspirations over the well being of every American.

We really have no gripes over government, we keep voting the same jackasses into power. We vote these guys in and vote those guys out, and then 10 or 12 years later we do the same thing again.

It's like if I wanted to hire someone to mow my yard so I hire one guy. He doesn't do such a great job, so I fire him and hire another guy. Well this guy isn't so great either, so I hire back the original guy who still doesn't mow my yard very well. It's over simplifying the process I know, but its still a valid analogy.

Blaming everything wrong on the "Repugs" or "Demorats" is a great way to convince yourself that you aren't responsible for the never ending cycle of electing corrupt power hungry politicians instead of public servants, but in the end it's just a way to help you sleep better at night while we our continuously robbed of our freedom and the Constitution is degraded to a side show attraction for D.C. tourists.

If you are continuously voting for the same old crap (i.e. Rs and Ds.), you really have no gripe with anything government does, because whether you voted the guy in or not, the guy you voted for really wouldn't have done things much differently. He still would have opposed freedom, made himself for sale to the highest bidder, and attempt to fund his quest for power with dirty money.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Isn't that the definition of insane? America is insane.

stefan segal
01-31-2007, 02:18 PM
Kres...Yes...insanity...but as I said, as little people aka gunfodder.tax targets, we must do our best.

The repug history...their product, is more like selling your sod and telling you is was a health benifit...dems are closer to reality...same crooks, but not in control of the media and the courts, must, for thier own survival, keep thier criminal ways scaled down from the repugs.

It's more pragmatism for me than intellect...I appreciate your views and their veracity, but I'm not ready to give up on this country...and the R's and D's will never leave their DC trough as long as tax money and lobbyist still exist.

Stefan

kres24GT
01-31-2007, 02:44 PM
As I said your "My crap is better then your crap" mentality is merely self delusion. There is no difference between the two.


Take big business. Both parties love big business and hate entrepreneurship. Both parties realize they need big business to fund their campaigns and retain and gain power. Both parties realize that they never want a state where people can crawl out of government dependence via hard work.

So what do they do? Republicans give huge tax breaks and corporate welfare to big business while ignoring the little guy. Democrats enact consumer protections laws that say they are to protect consumers, but really are just barriers to business that only big business can afford. They both screw you, they both have the same goal, they just do it a little differently.

If I have to vote between the guy who is going to kick me in the nuts with his right foot, or the one who is going to kick me in the nuts with his left foot, I will vote for the one who isn't going to kick me in the nuts. You are content to vote for the guy who kicks you in the nuts with his left foot and then when he gives a good swift kick in the balls, blame it on the guy who would have kicked you with his right foot.

That kind of mentality doesn't work for me. It amazes me it works for so many.

Abnormalia
01-31-2007, 04:35 PM
Any evidence of this? So you're telling me that a city or county regularly sends out it's swat teams to serve notices now? That's ridiculous.

I can see it now, they arrive in riot gear with fully automatic weapons to serve little miss Crutch who lives with an illegal number of small furry animals her notice of court order...

I'd appreciate seeing evidence on this sort of thing please...


With local police forces now armed beyond the standard of U.S. heavy infantry, police forces have been retrained "to vaporize, not Mirandize," to use a phrase from Reagan administration Defense official Lawrence Korb. This leaves the public at the mercy of brutal actions based on bad police information from paid informers.

:lmao2::lmao2:

stefan segal
01-31-2007, 07:10 PM
Got to the site to see the photos and the rest of the article.

Stefan

http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w9.html

From Local Police to Occupying Army, or LESO: The Greater of Many Evils
by William Norman Grigg
by William Norman Grigg


DIGG THIS


Well, it sure ain't an RV: This "Peacekeeper" Armored Personnel Carrier is listed by the Charleston, S.C. Police Department as a "Patrol Vehicle."

There are Peacekeepers deployed in US cities, but they're not under UN command.

They're armored personnel carriers supplied to “local” police agencies for little or no cost through the Pentagon's Law Enforcement Support Office (LESO), established in 1995 as part of the Defense Logistics Agency.

Since that time, the LESO has made huge amounts of military hardware – from boots to helmets to ammo to helicopters and the “Peacekeeper” APCs – available to local and state police agencies, often at little or no cost.

If you're interested in watching the Pentagon's promotional video for the LESO's campaign to militarize “local” police, go to this page maintained by the DLA. At the bottom of the links you'll find one leading to “LESO Get With The Program Video.” Follow that link, and – assuming you can withstand the barrage of really obnoxious whitebread canned pseudo-funk PSL music – you will have the entire program explained to you.