Sarah Palin Wins Debate Joe Biden Looks Bad

[America]

Palin Ready To Lead Wins V.P. Debate Underestimated By Media And Biden

Governor Sarah Palin won the VP debate and proved she is ready to lead, taking on Congress and Wall Street, telling them "we are not going to take it anymore."

Proving she is a real Main Street American that understands our everyday problems and showing she is ready to solve them.

Palin brought a breath of fresh air to the stale Senate speak from Biden. Clear, direct and confident a real person a real leader connecting with every American.

The liberal media whimpered in the corner after snickering at the prospect of a Gov. Palin debate win. They were mistaken as they wrote off Sarah Palin's chances and she stood toe to toe with Binden who was bloodied and beaten with a smile and a bless you Joe.

"Underestimate her at your peril": is exactly what Biden and the media did. Biden shaking his head as Sarah Palin won the only vice-presidential debate.

A former opponent, Andrew Halcro said, "She has a Reagan-like ability to win over audiences." That is precisely what she did as undecided voters overwhelming said she won and did much better than what the media had prepared them for.

Biden became as her formal political rival, Eric Croft, says part of "The political landscape... littered with people who have underestimated Sarah Palin."

Every American Must See and hear the Real Sarah Palin

[Betty Blowtorch]

Why did you start another thread on this subject?
You should have just added your dim-witted comments
to the existing thread. They aren't perceptive enough
to warrant a new thread.

Biden offered facts. Palin winked and smiled as she
sold the yokels like you a load of rhetorical horseshit
like "we aren't going to take it anymore."

And you bought it. Hook, line and sinker.
Wow. Brilliant.

Until Dubya was installed in the White House, I didn't
realize there are so many dumbshits in America. The
US educational system has really gone downhill since
I was a kid.

I want you wingnuts to be honest. How many of you
have masturbated to pictures of Sarah Palin?

Here's one for ya:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9260/palinhotcn2.jpg

[Smurf-Herder]

Biden Tells 14 Lies During VP Debate

Senator Joe Biden lied at least 14 times during the vice presidential debate according to those counting at John McCain’s presidential headquarters.

Tucker Bounds, a spokesman from GOP presidential candidate John McCain’s campaign said in a statement, “Joe Biden graduated from his trademark verbal gaffe to outright lie in tonight’s debate.”

On the foreign policy front, Biden challenged Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin when she said Barack Obama’s pledge to meet with any foreign leaders, including Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, without precondition “goes beyond naivete and goes beyond poor judgment.”

Biden lectured Palin, “That's just simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say he'd sit down with Ahmadinejad.” During the YouTube Democratic primary debate last July Obama was asked if he would meet the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea without “precondition” during his first year in office.

“I would,” he replied.

Biden appeared to attack Obama for making that very statement in August 2007. While Biden was challenging Obama for the Democratic nomination for president Biden said he would not support such a pledge. “Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president?” he said in an appearance at the National Press Club. “Absolutely positively no."

Five of the lies Biden told were related to tax and energy votes. During the debate Biden adamantly claimed McCain voted the same way as Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama did on a vote to raise taxes on those making $42,000 a year. The legislative record shows McCain was not present in the Senate for either of those votes and is recorded as “not voting.”

The RNC also takes issue with Biden’s assessment Palin supports a “windfall profits tax” and Biden’s claim McCain voted against alternative energy 23 times. The independent Factcheck.org has previously stated when Obama and other Democrats made similar charges about the 23 votes “they’re overstating the case.”

The other lies detailed by Goldfarb were related to Biden’s characterization of McCain’s healthcare plan, stances on bank deregulation and the $700 billion financial bailout that recently passed the Senate.

http://townhall.com/Columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/10/03/biden_tells_14_lies_during_vp_debate

Joe Biden's 14 Lies

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage -- they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska -- she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation -- he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=343ba934-6417-4b65-ac9e-92348acb5e97

[Smurf-Herder]

Why did you start another thread on this subject?
You should have just added your dim-witted comments
to the existing thread. They aren't perceptive enough
to warrant a new thread.

Biden offered facts. Palin winked and smiled as she
sold the yokels like you a load of rhetorical horseshit
like "we aren't going to take it anymore."

And you bought it. Hook, line and sinker.
Wow. Brilliant.

Until Dubya was installed in the White House, I didn't
realize there are so many dumbshits in America. The
US educational system has really gone downhill since
I was a kid.

I want you wingnuts to be honest. How many of you
have masturbated to pictures of Sarah Palin?

Here's one for ya:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9260/palinhotcn2.jpg


Hey Betty, you're being pretty sexist (against your own sex), aren't ya?

[asroc]

Smurf, frank already pasted that in another thread where it's being debunked line by line.

[Moby]

I find it interesting that Smurf and Frank only seem to read the one sided and biased stories of the debate. Most news outlets produced articles describing misinformation on both sides.

Smurf and Frank don't care about that. They only follow the programming of The Heritage Foundation.

Smurf-Herder might need to change his name to Smurf-Herded as the sheepherders seems to have taken him completely into the fold :(

[Smurf-Herder]

Smurf, frank already pasted that in another thread where it's being debunked line by line.

I don't see how it can be debunked, line by line. If anything, it was debunked by nuance and mischaracterization.

I SAW THE DEBATE where Obama answered the question on direct meetings with dictators with NO preconditions.

I know for a fact, with my own ears and eyes, that statement by Biden was a lie.

[Smurf-Herder]

I find it interesting that Smurf and Frank only seem to read the one sided and biased stories of the debate. Most news outlets produced articles describing misinformation on both sides.

Smurf and Frank don't care about that. They only follow the programming of The Heritage Foundation.

Smurf-Herder might need to change his name to Smurf-Herded as the sheepherders seems to have taken him completely into the fold :(

Hey puppetmaster, I saw the debate and formed my own opinions.

Stop the bullshit.

[Moby]

Hey puppetmaster, I saw the debate and formed my own opinions.

Stop the bullshit.
Yes but then you post a one sided link from The Heritage Foundation one of the most Neoconservative think tanks in the world. Just like a well programmed sheep spreading the word for the sheepherders.

It's almost like those annoying Jehovah Witnesses that go door to door trying to spread their own belief without ever questioning the reasons behind it. Just tell people the biased side of life.

[Smurf-Herder]

Yes but then you post a one sided link from The Heritage Foundation one of the most Neoconservative think tanks in the world. Just like a well programmed sheep spreading the word for the sheepherders.

It's almost like those annoying Jehovah Witnesses that go door to door trying to spread their own belief without ever questioning the reasons behind it. Just tell people the biased side of life.


But the thing is, you won't see the media investigating anything that goes against Obama and Biden. So I don't have much choice where I can find any backup. With nearly everybody in the tank for Obama, it's hard to find a credible, objective source nowadays.

It all comes down to maintaing the double-standard, doesn't it?

You guys can say anything, and use any source against McCain and Palin. But supporters can't bring up things on Obama and Biden, with their sources; without being shot down for bringing it up.

[hdmarketing]

Yes but then you post a one sided link from The Heritage Foundation one of the most Neoconservative think tanks in the world. Just like a well programmed sheep spreading the word for the sheepherders.


But Moby, your little left wing pupets post one sided links ALL the time!
:lmao2:

[asroc]

Everybody thinks everybody elses' sources are biased, so just argue the substance of the argument made, not the messenger.

[SeniorChief]

I too saw the debate.

Biden lost.

I don't need CNN, MSNBC to mis-inform me of fact/what I actually saw.

Some of you alleged "independent thinkers" are idiots.

Sarah MOPPED THE FLOOR with Biden.

Fact.

Suck on that Libs.

Suck on it long.

Suck on it hard.....

[asroc]

Fox News poll had Biden beating Palin 61-39, before it was of course taken down.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/7936/foxnewspalinbidenvoteoq9.jpg

SeniorChief is it possible for you to post without mentioning or propositioning a gay sex act?

[Betty Blowtorch]

SeniorChief is it possible for you to post without
mentioning or propositioning a gay sex act?
Looks like he spent too many years out there on the ocean
in those big boats, surrounded by all those big strong men.

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7241/gaynavyresizefg6.png

[Moby]

But Moby, your little left wing pupets post one sided links ALL the time!
:lmao2:
But it's interesting that Senior, Frank and Smurf all make claims about the biased media and only seem to read the Neoconservative biased media. I posted a link that showed lies from both camps after the debate. Frank and Smurf chose to only post a biased link after the debate.

That says a lot about the thought process, the understanding and the debate tactics of both Frank and Smurf.

Do we really see a lot of posts from sites like KOS and Huffington around here or did you buy into the same programming that got Hog?

[asroc]

It's called "working the refs". Conservatives can cite whatever they feel like (humanevents, wnd, littlegreenfootballs, malkin, coulter, powerline), but liberals can't even cite abc, cbs, nbc or cnn. I've even seen them scoff at citing reports on the ap or reuters wires. They've got quite a racket going.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

It's called "working the refs". Conservatives can cite whatever they feel like (humanevents, wnd, littlegreenfootballs, malkin, coulter, powerline), but liberals can't even cite abc, cbs, nbc or cnn. I've even seen them scoff at citing reports on the ap or reuters wires. They've got quite a racket going.

Yes they do and they really run down the caliber of this forum.


Lady Mod

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[Smurf-Herder]

Fox News poll had Biden beating Palin 61-39, before it was of course taken down.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/7936/foxnewspalinbidenvoteoq9.jpg

SeniorChief is it possible for you to post without mentioning or propositioning a gay sex act?

Are you saying all Libs are men?

Or are you saying it's gay when a woman does it?

[Smurf-Herder]

It's called "working the refs". Conservatives can cite whatever they feel like (humanevents, wnd, littlegreenfootballs, malkin, coulter, powerline), but liberals can't even cite abc, cbs, nbc or cnn. I've even seen them scoff at citing reports on the ap or reuters wires. They've got quite a racket going.


Hey assrock, I've quoted ap, upi, reuters, abc, cbs, nbc, msnbc and cnn on a number of occasions.

I read "um, all of them". :p

[asroc]

Hey assrock, I've quoted ap, upi, reuters, abc, cbs, nbc, msnbc and cnn on a number of occasions.

I read "um, all of them". :p

As I said, conservatives can cite whatever they feel like.

Are you saying all Libs are men?

Or are you saying it's gay when a woman does it?

Your questions don't make much sense.

I'm saying SeniorChief is pretty obsessed with gay sex, going by his posting history. Not that there's anything wrong with that.