Moby
10-01-2008, 11:56 PM
Damn, I thought Dubya would at least wait until after the election for this. This could lead to long lasting peace or a huge increase in violence within a few months.
I know the only reason for lower casualties in Iraq is the surge but there is a lot of evidence that paying off the Sons of Iraq was a big part of it and none of the surge supporters seem to mention that.
When we first went into Iraq we disbanded the Iraqi army and they had guns, training and ammo but no weapons. We removed their ability to feed their families so they fought against us even though many tried to explain to the administration that this would happen the AEI saw it differently.
Then we started paying them to not kill our soldiers and started the surge.
6 months from now we'll have a better understanding of how well the surge worked or how well allowing these men to feed their families worked.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/01/AR2008100101581.html?nav=rss_email/components
Nerves on Edge Among Sunni 'Sons of Iraq' as They Report to Shiite-Led Government
By Mary Beth Sheridan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, October 2, 2008; Page A17
BAGHDAD, Oct. 1 -- The Iraqi government on Wednesday began assuming control of the U.S.-backed armed groups that have helped curtail violence here, in a high-stakes test for the American strategy to stabilize Iraq.
Iraqi authorities officially took command of about 54,000 "Sons of Iraq" in the Baghdad area on Wednesday, and U.S. officials say they will transfer authority over additional members of the groups as conditions permit.
The Pentagon said in a report Tuesday that a smooth transition of the roughly 100,000 armed guards to Iraqi employment was "critical to providing stable security" in the country. Iraq's Shiite-led government has been wary of the largely Sunni forces, which include many former insurgents. Some have threatened to resume attacks if the government conducts widespread arrests or otherwise treats them harshly.
The handover of the armed groups was a low-key affair in Baghdad, where government offices are closed for a six-day holiday marking the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. The transition was largely symbolic, since the U.S. military plans to stay involved with the groups for several months as the Iraqi government begins paying their salaries and decides how to employ them.
Still, in the middle-class neighborhood of Zayouna, in southeastern Baghdad, the government's new role was evident as an Iraqi army commander handed out crisp $100 bills to Sons of Iraq members at a security compound.
Hovering over the shoulder of Maj. Abbas Kadim were U.S. soldiers who had given him the cash.
"It's to get them used to paying the Sons of Iraq, instead of us doing it alone," said Army Staff Sgt. Aaron McDonough, 27, of the 3rd Squadron, 89th Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team of the 10th Mountain Division. He had invited Iraqi military and police officials to make what are supposed to be the final U.S. payments to the 163 Sons of Iraq in the neighborhood.
Kadim, in camouflage fatigues and a maroon beret, sat at a table on a patio next to a Sons of Iraq supervisor who checked off members' names as they claimed their salaries.
"They are our sons. They are Iraqis," said Kadim, who jovially greeted the members of the armed groups, jokingly offering to marry off one of them to a female American soldier. "We have no differences with them. We like, we respect them very much."
But out of earshot of the commander, Sons of Iraq said they feared for their future.
Mohammad Idan, 42, a former shopkeeper in a button-down shirt and casual slacks, said he heard rumors about the Iraqi security forces kidnapping and "disappearing" a Sons of Iraq member.
"We will never feel safe with them," he said.
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I know the only reason for lower casualties in Iraq is the surge but there is a lot of evidence that paying off the Sons of Iraq was a big part of it and none of the surge supporters seem to mention that.
When we first went into Iraq we disbanded the Iraqi army and they had guns, training and ammo but no weapons. We removed their ability to feed their families so they fought against us even though many tried to explain to the administration that this would happen the AEI saw it differently.
Then we started paying them to not kill our soldiers and started the surge.
6 months from now we'll have a better understanding of how well the surge worked or how well allowing these men to feed their families worked.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/01/AR2008100101581.html?nav=rss_email/components
Nerves on Edge Among Sunni 'Sons of Iraq' as They Report to Shiite-Led Government
By Mary Beth Sheridan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, October 2, 2008; Page A17
BAGHDAD, Oct. 1 -- The Iraqi government on Wednesday began assuming control of the U.S.-backed armed groups that have helped curtail violence here, in a high-stakes test for the American strategy to stabilize Iraq.
Iraqi authorities officially took command of about 54,000 "Sons of Iraq" in the Baghdad area on Wednesday, and U.S. officials say they will transfer authority over additional members of the groups as conditions permit.
The Pentagon said in a report Tuesday that a smooth transition of the roughly 100,000 armed guards to Iraqi employment was "critical to providing stable security" in the country. Iraq's Shiite-led government has been wary of the largely Sunni forces, which include many former insurgents. Some have threatened to resume attacks if the government conducts widespread arrests or otherwise treats them harshly.
The handover of the armed groups was a low-key affair in Baghdad, where government offices are closed for a six-day holiday marking the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. The transition was largely symbolic, since the U.S. military plans to stay involved with the groups for several months as the Iraqi government begins paying their salaries and decides how to employ them.
Still, in the middle-class neighborhood of Zayouna, in southeastern Baghdad, the government's new role was evident as an Iraqi army commander handed out crisp $100 bills to Sons of Iraq members at a security compound.
Hovering over the shoulder of Maj. Abbas Kadim were U.S. soldiers who had given him the cash.
"It's to get them used to paying the Sons of Iraq, instead of us doing it alone," said Army Staff Sgt. Aaron McDonough, 27, of the 3rd Squadron, 89th Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team of the 10th Mountain Division. He had invited Iraqi military and police officials to make what are supposed to be the final U.S. payments to the 163 Sons of Iraq in the neighborhood.
Kadim, in camouflage fatigues and a maroon beret, sat at a table on a patio next to a Sons of Iraq supervisor who checked off members' names as they claimed their salaries.
"They are our sons. They are Iraqis," said Kadim, who jovially greeted the members of the armed groups, jokingly offering to marry off one of them to a female American soldier. "We have no differences with them. We like, we respect them very much."
But out of earshot of the commander, Sons of Iraq said they feared for their future.
Mohammad Idan, 42, a former shopkeeper in a button-down shirt and casual slacks, said he heard rumors about the Iraqi security forces kidnapping and "disappearing" a Sons of Iraq member.
"We will never feel safe with them," he said.
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