$10 Buck For Monday Morning - 3 Chances To Win

[Moby]

1. I'll bet you that someone on Fox News accuses Biden of attacking Palin by Monday morning.
2. I'll bet you that someone on Fox News claims that the debate was biased and if it wasn't that Palin would have done much better.
3. I'll bet you that no one can provide an actual article or statement by anyone in the Main Stream Media (that means a ranking democrat or figure head that has their own TV show) of attacking Sarah Palin's family before the first complaint by the GOP or Murdoch's minions.

You have to accept the bet by 5:00 PM EST Thursday, October 2, 2008 by posting here. For item # 3 you need to supply a link at the time of acceptance.

It's a 3 fold bet. You bet all three or none at all. That means you can earn $30 from me and strong bragging rights. I will be happy to send you a check, money order, PayPal or Epassporte payment.

Any takers?

BTW - If you'd like to accept only one bet for some reason please make a rational case for your choice and not some emotional fake outrage. :thumbsup:

[disrupter]

the whining GOP will continue to whine.

more succinct?

I don't expect gravity to cease in the meantime either, so i won't take your bet.

[SeedyROM]

OBAMA SLAVE attorney Howard Gutman -- an original member of the national finance committee for Sen. Barack Obama. Busted for Palin hate!!!!:D

LOL, never make a challenge for info that is online . The ex-ONI eat people for lunch and dinner. Plenty of hard facts if you care to spend 7 minutes, well actually 8.5 since I'll be fair and include the Copy and Paste time, LOL

Alan Colmes had a hate article up too, he removed it due to criticism. Plenty of details and facts written in stone!! Aren't you glad Al Gore nvented the internet???

The Palin hate rolled down hill like an avalanche on Mt. Everest

fyi, I'm one of the net guerillas that helped to expose and destroy MoveOn.org and thier phoney poll questions and surveys they were sending to the Capitol. We destroyed they with the truth. MoveOn.org funded Militant Obama's campaign as did his ACORN thug buddies. :talktothehand:

Beware of the truth, it is more dangerous than all the lies ever told! LOL!!!:laugh:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-campaign.html
On the Laura Ingraham Radio show, Friday, attorney Howard Gutman -- an original member of the national finance committee for Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. -- very directly criticized the parenting of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Ingraham was taking issue with a column by Washington Post columnist Sally Quinn, asking whether Palin's 17-year-old daughter's pregnancy is raising "the question among the evangelical base about whether Sarah Palin has been enough of a hands-on mother."

Pondered Quinn: "Not only do we have a woman with five children, including an infant with special needs, but a woman whose 17-year-old child will need her even more in the coming months. Not to mention the grandchild. This would inevitably be an enormous distraction for a new vice president (or president) in a time of global turmoil."

To Ingraham, the insinuation was sexist, since no one would ask such questions of a man.

Gutman said the issue wasn't one of gender, but one of parenting -– regardless of the gender of the parent.

"This has nothing to do with gender, whether Todd Palin was the nominee or Sarah Palin was the nominee," Gutman said. "If my daughter had just come home at 17 years old and said, 'Mom, Dad, I'm pregnant, we have a family problem,' I wouldn't say, 'You know what we're going to do? We're going to take this private family problem...and you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go on the international stage and broadcast this to the world.'"

Gutman continued, "this wasn't a working mother issue, this was a parent issue…The proper attack is not that a woman shouldn't run for vice president with five kids, it's that a parent, when they have a family in need, a Down's baby who needs them -- mother or father."

"So you are judging her parenting skills," Ingraham said. "You're saying you don't think she's a good parent for doing this job."

"I'm saying the proper criticism is not that it's a woman or man – it doesn't matter whether it's Todd or Sarah," Gutman said. "Think of how many politicians have said it's not the right time in my family's life for me to run."

Gutman cited approvingly Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., in 2004 and former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner in 2008, both of whom said they weren't going to pursue the presidency because it wasn't the right time for their families.

"They put their family above their career," Gutman said. "Your responsibility is to put your family first."

"So you're saying she's not putting family first," Ingraham said.

"Absolutely not," Gutman said. "If you take a daughter who's got this emotional strife and subject her to the most intense scrutiny of the world at this time in her life, I think you've put your career above your family."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton, asked to respond to Gutman's remarks, said "Obviously these comments do not reflect our frequently stated views that families of the candidates should be off limits."

Several times during the interview, Ingraham expressed bewilderment that the Obama campaign would attack Palin's parenting. Gutman said, "I don't give you talking points, Laura, I give you Howard points."



Upon re-reading the very end, however, I do believe I went too far as I did not mean to make a value judgment about anyone's parenting. The Obama campaign firmly believes that the families of candidates should be off limits and I completely agree with that view. I never intended to discuss the family of any candidate nor make judgments about the candidate's personal decisions, but simply to address the issue of whether the comments of others reflected gender bias. But my last comment goes beyond that and I apologize for it."


CBS Palin Hate Captured FOREVER!!
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2008/09/03/cbs-wapo-s-sally-quinn-slams-palin-s-parenting-needs-rethink-her-prior


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palin_claims_obamabiden_democr.php

Friends, in the course of a few weeks, the Obama-Biden Democrats have launched attack after attack on me, my family and John McCain. They're desperate to win and they'll no doubt launch these attacks against other reformers on our ticket.

1) Obama finance committee member Howard Gutman questioning Palin's parenting and her willingness to take on the Veep candidate role when her family is so consuming -- a comment he subsequently apologized for.

2) Andrew Sullivan's demand that the McCain campaign release medical records putting to rest rumors about the birth of Trig Palin.

3) A user diary on DailyKos, which is of course the site of leading Obama supporter Markos Moulitsas, raising questions about that pregnancy.
And that's it.


http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=4fbc47dc-8b96-4b8b-b016-985bb7ab3afa

Democrats show hypocrisy by attacking governor's family
There's no deficit of family values in Sarah Palin's family

Well, well, well. Guess who's suddenly become the staunch defender of family values in the United States?

Is it A) the media, B) the small-l-liberals, C) the Democrats or D) All of the above.

Correct Answer: D.

Americans were likely even more confused when a speaker at this week's convention essentially referred to her as the only nominee in history who can shoot and gut a moose in the field.

No wonder the media, liberals and Democrats were confounded and frightened. This is a woman who was willing to kill a harmless animal, yet give life to a disabled child. It's the antithesis of the liberal notion that women should kill inconvenient children, yet take every extreme and costly measure to save wild animals.

That's what prompted the media and the Democrats to wave the banner of family values. Not because a wave of conservatism and tradition suddenly swept across America, but because the situation obviously meant that Palin was a family-values hypocrite for allowing her daughter to get pregnant and leaving her family (with a pregnant teen and a special-needs newborn) during its time of need.

Hence, we now have this bizarre situation: Liberal Americans who defend marriage (when it involves gay rights), promote sexual freedom for the young and old (within and outside of marriage) and tell women that the real road to fulfillment is working outside the home (while assuring them the kids will be fine in a day care) are claiming that Palin is making a mockery of family values because her daughter is pregnant and she has left the kitchen to pursue the White House while her husband cares for the kids.

Now who's promoting the old-fashioned notion of family presented on Leave it to Beaver or Father Knows Best? And who's the real hypocrite?

That's the real difference between those who believe in family values and those who merely claim to believe in them when it's politically convenient. The former says let's always strive for the best for our family and our children; the latter says we're all going to fail anyway, so why bother trying (e.g. "kids are going to have sex anyway, so let's give them condoms").

The good news in this is that Democrat insiders apparently claim the attacks on Palin's family are inappropriate, and have asked the media to put candidate's families off limits. Of course, it could just be Democrats now realize that attacking a 17-year-old pregnant girl doesn't make for good press.

As their leader Bill Clinton would undoubtedly tell them, ITBS. "It's the bullying, stupid."

[SeedyROM]

Ya gotta love Bubba for being honest!!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/23/bill-clinton-says-dems-shouldnt-attack-palin/
Bill Clinton said Monday the Democratic ticket should steer clear of launching personal attacks on Sarah Palin over her relatively thin resume, and instead acknowledge she was a "good choice" for the No. 2 spot on the GOP ticket.

"Why say, ever, anything bad about a person? Why don't we like them and celebrate them and be happy for her elevation to the ticket? And just say that she was a good choice for him and we disagree with them?" said Clinton, who faced repeated charges during the primary season he was overly negative toward Obama on the campaign trail.

Clinton's comments appear to echo advice Karl Rove gave to Barack Obama in his regular Wall Street Journal column last week, when the former Bush strategist noted attacking the VP candidate has rarely proven to be an effective strategy.

In one of the former president's few extended comments to date on Palin's surprise VP candidacy, Clinton also told reporters in New York Monday he knows why the Alaska governor is attracting massive crowds on the campaign trail.

In one of the former president's few extended comments to date on Palin's surprise VP candidacy, Clinton also told reporters in New York Monday he knows why the Alaska governor is attracting massive crowds on the campaign trail.

"I come from Arkansas, I get why she's hot out there," Clinton told reporters in New York, according to the Associated Press. "Why she's doing well."

"People look at her, and they say, 'All those kids. Something that happens in everybody's family I'm glad she loves her daughter and she's not ashamed of her. Glad that girl's going around with her boyfriend. Glad they're going to get married,'" he said.

Referencing Palin's 5-month old child who has Down Syndrome, Clinton also said voters will think, "I like that little Down syndrome kid — one of them lives down the street, they're wonderful children.”

Earlier Monday, Clinton suggested his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, would have been a better political choice for the Democratic VP spot than Joe Biden.

“She would have been the best politically, at least in the short run, because of her enormous support of the country,“ he said on the daytime talk show The View.


http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/thinkingright/entries/2008/09/01/republicans_attending_this_wee.html
Democrats who never bothered to notice that Barack Obama had probably fewer than 150 days of active service in the U.S. Senate before seeking the presidency, have been quick to cite her inexperience. Granted, on national security matters, she’s no more experienced than Obama and if you object to her being a heartbeat away from the nuclear trigger, you have to be terrified by the prospect that Obama could be the triggerman. On that issue, it’s hard for Democrats and partisan commentators to play the inexperience card. Give me the option of inexperience in the number two job and inexperience in the Oval Office and I’ll take junior every time.


http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/the_democrats_fearful_and_into.html
Palin has no experience": (Also Daily Kos attack #32) The first line of attack was, as expected, one on Palin's experience. The media has declared that her "lack" of experience now immunizes the attacks on Barack Obama's lack of experience. In fact, it does the opposite. The Obama campaign, by publicly comparing Democrat Presidential nominee Obama's experience to Republican Vice-Presidential nominee Palin's, tacitly concedes the experience issue to the Republican Presidential nominee John McCain. Memo to the Obama campaign Part 1 - it doesn't help your image when you spend time trying to argue, unsuccessfully, that your Presidential candidate has more executive experience than your opposition's Vice-Presidential candidate. Palin still has more executive experience that either Obama or Joe Biden. Obama is left having to claim that running his Presidential campaign is executive experience, which is ridiculous. Memo to the Obama campaign Part 2 - as you well know, David Plouffe runs Obama's campaign and David Axelrod writes most of Obama's words. All Obama has to do is show up. That's how Presidential campaign run. Stop suggesting otherwise.

[Independent Harry]

the only article that actually cited any liberal even talking about Palin was the first, and then he questioned her decision to move forward with her parenting challenges, that's not an attack. Christ...you guys will make anytihng out to be an attack...

[SeedyROM]

the only article that actually cited any liberal even talking about Palin was the first, and then he questioned her decision to move forward with her parenting challenges, that's not an attack. Christ...you guys will make anytihng out to be an attack...

The first article set the tone for wacko liberal scumbags to infest the internet and TV with hate and false information. A ranking Democrat started all the hate that you RPS's deny exists. Laura Ingraham has a TV and Radio show!

I intend to find a TV SCUMBAG loser too, the information is buried under a pletora of crap. I have a program that sifts for only relevant information. Laura Ingraham popped up immediately. You, Sirmoby, Bairdi and Asroc were wrong, get over it. The media started the Who is Attacking Palin crap to cover up the truth.................its called NLP and you 4 have been manipulated.

Howard Gutman is guilty of setting the tone of hate and family slander/defamation that signaled all the hate. The morally bankrupt media infestation of lies, bad taste and shear stupidity that began the downward spiral of attacks took to the airwaves............all history you can never deny with committing a sin!.

CAN YOU PROVE THAT NBC AND MSNBC ARE NOT AS BAD AS FOXNEWS?
No you cannot, NBC and MSNBC are Foxnews 2.0 Just as sick and twisted. They all lie for a living. Commentators on all 3 have told lies, some of the journalists lie and they all bring on guests to lie thier asses off. Dick Morris is a Dem who appears on Fox, Pat Buchanan is a Rep who appears all the time on MSNBC. You and the others got it wrong about Morris. Read his bio!

I loaded several other articles to educate you clowns on what is really going on in the world.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpoi...den_democr.php

Friends, in the course of a few weeks, the Obama-Biden Democrats have launched attack after attack on me, my family and John McCain. They're desperate to win and they'll no doubt launch these attacks against other reformers on our ticket.

1) Obama finance committee member Howard Gutman questioning Palin's parenting and her willingness to take on the Veep candidate role when her family is so consuming -- a comment he subsequently apologized for.

[SeedyROM]

Sirmoby, do you still deny the attacks exist? Do you deny an Obama lawyer stirred up the hate against Palin?? I don't care about the $10, but I do care about the truth. Palin has been slandered, you cannot deny it. As for finding a top wacko in the media. I found more than one. Others will be loaded later.

[bairdi]

The first article set the tone for wacko liberal scumbags to infest the internet and TV with hate and false information. A ranking Democrat started all the hate that you RPS's deny exists. Laura Ingraham has a TV and Radio show!

I intend to find a TV SCUMBAG loser too, the information is buried under a pletora of crap. I have a program that sifts for only relevant information. Laura Ingraham popped up immediately. You, Sirmoby, Bairdi and Asroc were wrong, get over it. The media started the Who is Attacking Palin crap to cover up the truth.................its called NLP and you 4 have been manipulated.

Howard Gutman is guilty of setting the tone of hate and family slander/defamation that signaled all the hate. The morally bankrupt media infestation of lies, bad taste and shear stupidity that began the downward spiral of attacks took to the airwaves............all history you can never deny with committing a sin!.

CAN YOU PROVE THAT NBC AND MSNBC ARE NOT AS BAD AS FOXNEWS?
No you cannot, NBC and MSNBC are Foxnews 2.0 Just as sick and twisted. They all lie for a living. Commentators on all 3 have told lies, some of the journalists lie and they all bring on guests to lie thier asses off. Dick Morris is a Dem who appears on Fox, Pat Buchanan is a Rep who appears all the time on MSNBC. You and the others got it wrong about Morris. Read his bio!

I loaded several other articles to educate you clowns on what is really going on in the world.
Laura Ingram has the radio talk show and she asked the question. How did Gutman answering a question with his opinion start all the hate you claim is directed at Palin? One could make a pretty substantial case from the article that it was Ingram that started it all.

[Moby]

OBAMA SLAVE attorney Howard Gutman -- an original member of the national finance committee for Sen. Barack Obama. Busted for Palin hate!!!!:D
There you have it. Almost a wekk after the GOP and Fox Goons were going off about how the MSM was attacking Palin's family we have Howard Gutman making an ass out of himself. A man that is such a ranking democrat that it doesn't appear that he's help any political office and not important enough for even a Wikipedia page.

No political office, a week after the complaints started and pretty much no body. OK. So can we now agree that this is the closest (5 days after the complaints started) remark that you can find is a man that's never held political office or has an audience?

Maggie Rodriguez was taking a tacky line but it didn't seem like a vicious attack "I didn't read the actual attack. She questioned her ability to be a VP and a mother and we all know the answer but I didn't see where she attack her. Can you point it out." Is that what you call a vicious attack? She does have a show and she made this statement a few days after the complaints started so it could be closer if you consider that a full on attack but still not very vicious and certainly after the complaints started.

OK, so now we have Andrew Sullivan (A republican), KOS, Howard Gutman (has no audience and no political position) and Maggie Rodriguez. I think Maggie is closest to your claim but that doesn't really seem vicious to me. Poor taste sure but vicious?

The other articles are claims with out supporting dates and comments. Aren't they kind of exactly what I'm challenging you on?

[bairdi]

There you have it. Almost a wekk after the GOP and Fox Goons were going off about how the MSM was attacking Palin's family we have Howard Gutman making an ass out of himself. A man that is such a ranking democrat that it doesn't appear that he's help any political office and not important enough for even a Wikipedia page.

No political office, a week after the complaints started and pretty much no body. OK. So can we now agree that this is the closest (5 days after the complaints started) remark that you can find is a man that's never held political office or has an audience?

Maggie Rodriguez was taking a tacky line but it didn't seem like a vicious attack "I didn't read the actual attack. She questioned her ability to be a VP and a mother and we all know the answer but I didn't see where she attack her. Can you point it out." Is that what you call a vicious attack? She does have a show and she made this statement a few days after the complaints started so it could be closer if you consider that a full on attack but still not very vicious and certainly after the complaints started.

OK, so now we have Andrew Sullivan (A republican), KOS, Howard Gutman (has no audience and no political position) and Maggie Rodriguez. I think Maggie is closest to your claim but that doesn't really seem vicious to me. Poor taste sure but vicious?

The other articles are claims with out supporting dates and comments. Aren't they kind of exactly what I'm challenging you on?
I love how Seedy left this part out of the KOS article.

Late Update: Markos instant-messages me the following response:

"You could use a Daily Kos diary to justify just about any charge ever made. Same with the Free Republic message boards, etc. But that's patently absurd, and just more of her `rile the base' bullshit. If something stupid can be said, you can believe someone on Daily Kos has said it."

[Moby]

I love how Seedy left this part out of the KOS article.
But Seedy has been kind enough to document the entire "smear campaign" as it's called. It's a guy named Howard Gutman, that has no audience and no political position. This is what all the bitching and whining is about and we wonder why our country is off course.

This one guy makes up the entire coordinated smear campaign.

I've never seen since a bunch of whining sniveling wimps in all my life. It's sad that this is the best that can be used to support all the fake outrage.

[SeedyROM]

Laura Ingram has the radio talk show and she asked the question. How did Gutman answering a question with his opinion start all the hate you claim is directed at Palin? One could make a pretty substantial case from the article that it was Ingram that started it all.

Agreed Laura Ingram opened the door, I cited Gutman because he should know better. In fact lawyers are trained to ovoid gender and bias in the courtroom. Law school courses along with mock trials training educate lawyers on political correctness and proper ettiquite.

[SeedyROM]

There you have it. Almost a wekk after the GOP and Fox Goons were going off about how the MSM was attacking Palin's family we have Howard Gutman making an ass out of himself. A man that is such a ranking democrat that it doesn't appear that he's help any political office and not important enough for even a Wikipedia page.

No political office, a week after the complaints started and pretty much no body. OK. So can we now agree that this is the closest (5 days after the complaints started) remark that you can find is a man that's never held political office or has an audience?

Maggie Rodriguez was taking a tacky line but it didn't seem like a vicious attack "I didn't read the actual attack. She questioned her ability to be a VP and a mother and we all know the answer but I didn't see where she attack her. Can you point it out." Is that what you call a vicious attack? She does have a show and she made this statement a few days after the complaints started so it could be closer if you consider that a full on attack but still not very vicious and certainly after the complaints started.

OK, so now we have Andrew Sullivan (A republican), KOS, Howard Gutman (has no audience and no political position) and Maggie Rodriguez. I think Maggie is closest to your claim but that doesn't really seem vicious to me. Poor taste sure but vicious?

The other articles are claims with out supporting dates and comments. Aren't they kind of exactly what I'm challenging you on?

Gutman should know better, you should know better too. Wikipedia, big deal, go make one for the sleazbag. Google his name, it is written all over the net. Maybe that will impress you?

No agreement, we both no they buried the hate. Alan Colmes admits he deleted his hateful attacks on his website.

Maggie Rodriguez is proof of the growing momentum of hate. You know they deleted sites the same as you saw hateful guests on MSNBC shows. You cannot deny it. I'll work on this more later just to prove my point. Till then, go spit, as Ali would say!!:D Fake outrage my ass. Go to church and pray for forgiveness, you'll need it this Sunday.

[SeedyROM]

I love how Seedy left this part out of the KOS article.

Late Update: Markos instant-messages me the following response:

"You could use a Daily Kos diary to justify just about any charge ever made. Same with the Free Republic message boards, etc. But that's patently absurd, and just more of her `rile the base' bullshit. If something stupid can be said, you can believe someone on Daily Kos has said it."

I only used what was relevant to the thread, not intentional, fact is, Sirmoby clearly mentioned some of the hate came from Foxnews too.