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Moby
10-01-2008, 03:47 PM
Damn! We know they're going to claim that Biden was attacking her family viciously just like the invisible MSM did when they started complaining. (still no links to actual attacks after 5 weeks now).

Now they're complaining about something they've known for months. I wonder if they'll try to get someone unbiased in there like Sean Hannity? :disbelief:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081001/pl_politico/22742

Michael Calderone
Wed Oct 1, 10:44 AM ET

Michelle Malkin and World Net Daily have made a lot of noise today about the fact the Gwen Ifill, the moderator of Thursday's VP debate, has a new book coming on Inauguration day about Barack Obama and the politics of race -- it's now leading on the front of Drudge.

Fox's Greta Van Susteren reports that the McCain campaign didn't know about it.

"I am stunned….the campaign (actually both) should have been told before the campaign agreed to have her moderate. It simply is not fair -- in law, this would create a mistrial."

But one didn't have to go the lengths of oppo research to find out about a book that was hiding in plain sight on Amazon and the Random house website.

Not to mention, Ifill discussed it with Howard Kurtz last month in the Washington Post, in the only profile she's done before the debate. (And I'd imagine someone in the campaign should have read it).

To the extent she can carve out any spare time, Ifill is working on a book called "Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama." She focuses on the Democratic nominee and such up-and-coming black politicians as Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick and Newark Mayor Cory Booker.

"We're very lazy when we think about race in this country," Ifill says. "We try to put it in a box. It's Jesse versus Al, or Jesse and Al versus everyone else," she says, referring to Jackson and Sharpton. "We love simplistic conflict. There's a whole group of people who have Ivy League degrees and immense accomplishments who actually benefited from the things their parents were fighting for."

Regardless, the story's getting major play on cable news, especially Fox.

This morning with Bill Hemmer, Fox analyst Juan Williams spoke admirably of Ifill as a journalist but admitted that "it looks like she has some investment" in the outcome of the election, and that "there's a perception problem." The FoxNews.com headline: "VP Debate Moderator Pens Pro-Obama Book."

I think Malkin and other critics have a right to raise questions about whether Ifill should be moderating, but at the same time, it's not as if the veteran PBS journalist has been keeping the book under wraps until now. It's also a logical question to ask whether an Obama book would sell better or worse depending on the outcome of the election. I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that if Obama's sworn in on the Jan. 20 pub date, a book with "Obama" in the title will sell more copies.

Legitimate questions, indeed. So why is this coming up less than 36 hours before Palin and Biden hit the stage?

UPDATE: A spokesperson for PBS's NewsHour said that Ifill is en route to the debate in St. Louis. When asked whether Ifill might disclose that she's writing this book during the debate, the spokesperson said he had no knowledge that she would, and declined to comment further. I also have a call into the Commission on Presidential Debates, and will update if they have a comment.

asroc
10-01-2008, 04:01 PM
I'm going to take a wild guess that the McCain camp did indeed know she was releasing the book and didn't care at the time.

Then again, they're not much for the vetting process.

Moby
10-01-2008, 04:44 PM
I'm going to take a wild guess that the McCain camp did indeed know she was releasing the book and didn't care at the time.

Then again, they're not much for the vetting process.
They had to have known. They waited until now to make a big deal out of it so they can either get someone else at the last minute that will ask about accessorizing instead of foreign policy or when Palin loses they'll blame Ifill just like they're blaming Couric.

asroc
10-01-2008, 04:49 PM
There are news stories about Ifill that extensively mention the book, so I'm imagining that if the McCain camp didn't know, then they didn't do the simple google search on her name that I just did, before agreeing to the debate terms.

SeedyROM
10-01-2008, 05:22 PM
The book is free with certain memberships online at newsmax and several other sites. People knew about the book no doubt. I have not read it.

asroc
10-01-2008, 05:25 PM
It's a pretty time-honored tradition to work the refs in the pre-debate spin. If I were Obama I'd ask that Ifill be replaced to, and call the bluff.

SeedyROM
10-01-2008, 05:29 PM
Who chose Ifill is the question..........network choice? Or did both candidates agree on Ifill. Regardless, the questions will be fair to both candidates. No real conflict. Just more silly media drama.

The Couric interview was dramticized by dem media, nothing signficant or alarming was revealed other than Couric's lack of skills and ignorant media programming to sucker dems into the silly mantra. This is what dem media think of dem viewers........easy stories for those uneducated reality show/soap opera loving atom atoms and fools who think the dem media are honest. Watch the interview, then you will understnad the dem media is faking it.

SeedyROM
10-01-2008, 05:31 PM
Why would Obama be scared of Ifill......Ifill is just a moderator? Did Ifill write the questions? No fear of Ifill unless Obama can't answer a direct question. the man is handicapped when it comes to direct answers.

asroc
10-01-2008, 05:34 PM
Obama wouldn't be afraid of Ifill, he'd ask her to be replaced so the right couldn't complain that the debate was stacked in his favor.

It was just a hypothetical, McCain is on FOX right now saying he has no problem with Ifill.

Moby
10-01-2008, 05:46 PM
Ifill's book doesn't come out until January, 2009 and I can't imagine that Newsmax would be giving out free copies of a book talking about the breakthrough of race in American politics.

Ifill will be the moderator at the Biden/Palin debate.

It's the GOP that is freaking out about it and it will be used as an excuse if Palin has a poor showing.

Frankg
10-01-2008, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by SeedyROM
Who chose Ifill is the question..........network choice? Or did both candidates agree on Ifill. Regardless, the questions will be fair to both candidates. No real conflict. Just more silly media drama.

Ifill was chosen by the Comission on Presidential Debates , and so are the topics and the questions.
http://www.debates.org/

SeedyROM
10-01-2008, 06:54 PM
Ifill was chosen by the Comission on Presidential Debates , and so are the topics and the questions.
http://www.debates.org/
Thought so, so there is no fear for Palin or loud mouth Biden.

BlackAsCoal
10-01-2008, 07:36 PM
Why would Obama be scared of Ifill......Ifill is just a moderator? Did Ifill write the questions? No fear of Ifill unless Obama can't answer a direct question. the man is handicapped when it comes to direct answers.

I can see Russia from Alaska.

:lmao2:

SeedyROM
10-01-2008, 07:38 PM
I can see Russia from Alaska.

:lmao2:

She said "we can see Russia from Alaska" as in anyone who goes to the island sea town. A vague and general statement.

Do you now deny Obama has in fact avoided in providing direct answers ???

BlackAsCoal
10-01-2008, 07:45 PM
She said "we can see Russia from Alaska" as in anyone who goes to the island sea town. A vague and general statement.

Do you now deny Obama has in fact avoided in providing direct answers ???

Never denied Obama gives nuanced disingenuous answers AND I'm the one who's said on this site that he's never met an issue he can't take both sides of.

That's called being TRULY and HONESTLY independent .. and guess what? .. I'm not voting for him.

I call the issue as I see it, regardless of political party, race, or gender of the candidate.

YOU however, are still sucking off the republican teet and you'll be voting for them.

Your attempts to defend the obvious is glaring.

SeedyROM
10-01-2008, 07:48 PM
Never denied Obama gives nuanced disingenuous answers AND I'm the one who's said on this site that he's never met an issue he can't take both sides of.

That's called being TRULY and HONESTLY independent .. and guess what? .. I'm not voting for him.

I call the issue as I see it, regardless of political party, race, or gender of the candidate.

YOU however, are still sucking off the republican teet and you'll be voting for them.

Your attempts to defend the obvious is glaring.

Yes you did! Go read you own posts.

LadyMod at scam.com
10-01-2008, 10:17 PM
Damn! We know they're going to claim that Biden was attacking her family viciously just like the invisible MSM did when they started complaining. (still no links to actual attacks after 5 weeks now).

Now they're complaining about something they've known for months. I wonder if they'll try to get someone unbiased in there like Sean Hannity? :disbelief:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081001/pl_politico/22742

Oh, they have a new person to blame.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Controversy swirled over vice presidential debate moderator Gwen Ifill one day before the face-off between Gov. Sarah Palin and Sen. Joe Biden, after new scrutiny was drawn to her upcoming book featuring Barack Obama.

In stories published Wednesday on NationalReview.com and WorldNetDaily's Web site, conservative commentators noted that "Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama" -- first announced several months ago -- is slated to be released around the inauguration of the next president in January 2009.

"...as if we needed any further evidence of a jaw-dropping double standard, we have to contemplate the sheer impossibility that someone who wrote a positive biography of [John] McCain being chosen to moderate a debate," wrote NationalReview.com's Jim Geraghty on Wednesday.

The book, published by Doubleday, has not yet been released to critics or the public.

In the book, Ifill takes a look at the black political movement's beginnings during the Civil Rights movement that gave way "to a generation of men and women who are the direct beneficiaries of the struggles of the 1960s," according to Amazon.com.

Ifill discussed the book in a interview with The Washington Post on September 4, well before the Commission on Presidential Debates announced the debate moderators.

AND as if that weren't enough Moby, she has the NERVE and AUDACITY of being a BLACK WOMAN!

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/01/gwen.ifill/art.ifill.ap.jpg

OMG! The shame of it all. :rolleyes:


:lmao2:

Moby
10-01-2008, 11:16 PM
AND as if that weren't enough Moby, she has the NERVE and AUDACITY of being a BLACK WOMAN!
You're not supposed to notice that she's a women. I mean she doesn't have "the looks" (from Hog) and she's not "a hottie" (from Senior) so obviously she can't compare to Palin.

SeedyROM
10-02-2008, 05:07 AM
So why is Ifill a problem? All she will do is read questions, not like she has a stake in the game. Let her make some cash, big friggnin deal.