History- ' a tale of two cities' or tale of two sides of our economy

[Paul Revere]

It is rather interesting to be aware of what is going on without the spin zones and rosie agendad speeches, I think away.

It was the best of times and it is the worst of times:

Best: high technology, most comfortable living standard to date(USA-4 sure), plenty of foods, access for shopping, medical care (although over priced, many Americans are going to India for about 90% less cost); stock market seems rosie (fools may rush in, too); so called economic factors of employment look good (although the number is not 100% accurate); low interest rates (Fed Rev. is printing like mad too); so far no attacks from terrorist here (they are cowards when they lack surprise); most number of millionaires to date here in USA; more wealth controlled by smaller percentage of the biggies (hey, works for them...not best of times for small potatoes like myself). Some other glitz and glamour, the Hollywood set could fill in the blanks about the best of times (la-la land is full of fair tale dreams)

Worst: bankruptcies personal and mortgages (foreclosures up 35% in housing from last Dec. it is said); highest personal debt levels per person here in history; we have a negative savings rate, as a nation; government deficits that are highest in history (but they say, they are coming down); 37+ states in red ink deficits (last time this happened was 1929-shadows lurking??); Federal Reserve is now not posting M3 money supply information (the presses are working overtime-printing); politically we are facing a dead nation; morally we already achieved the same; economically we are in red ink; our culture does not value life; we don't secure our own borders; we allow outsiders to influence our system and values without real challanges (door mat effect); the ACLU is having a field day and figures it is one generation from help to defeat the America we used to enjoy; secular values leading to now legislating from the Judges bench, against written laws and redefinded-penalties of laws(Nero syndrome or Grand Pu-bah righteousness)=letting felons go cheaply; less and less respect for teachers, police and others doing there jobs. In effect a culture that is embracing Satan in many ways, doing a fine job of it too. Our role models appear to be Brittany Spears, Paris Hilton, Tommy the drummer dude and such idealogical types (ha), just what your kids need to clone into; Hip-Hop culture is our new reality of the American way (what way is that? if you know what I'm sayin). Terrorism-nukes-. coming towards us more and more.

I think we have reached a state in this country where we cannot go back and forward is actually paved and looks alot like hell. Some are ready to lead us there, perhaps faster than others. Once we get there, oh boy won't it be great (lol), you will be able to screw anything, anytime, any age-sex-living thing anyway; or kill for justified road rage; steal anybodys identity and monies without penalties; total anarchy semi-justified; reparations for anybody and anything for a past injustice; no God or religion (except maybe Islam-but don't lose your head over this); social security for illegals; Islam fundamentalists allowed to become President; our vote will count, but the ACLU gets to be in charge of the recounts or someother unbiased types(ha);this is enough to paint a picture, now picture your family and friends living in this Utopia! America is about to become history, as you used to know it. Lessons from History shows not many civilizations or empires, rule for many hundreds or thousands of years. Russia has changed recently, we are ripening for major changes soon enough too. Maybe this does not occur overnight, but it is like boiling a frog....put into luke warm water then slowly turn up the heat (he does not jump out and is fried) with boiling water the frog has enough sense to know the program.:hi:

[exarmyranger]

It is rather interesting to be aware of what is going on without the spin zones and rosie agendad speeches, I think away.

It was the best of times and it is the worst of times:

Best: high technology, most comfortable living standard to date(USA-4 sure), plenty of foods, access for shopping, medical care (although over priced, many Americans are going to India for about 90% less cost); stock market seems rosie (fools may rush in, too); so called economic factors of employment look good (although the number is not 100% accurate); low interest rates (Fed Rev. is printing like mad too); so far no attacks from terrorist here (they are cowards when they lack surprise); most number of millionaires to date here in USA; more wealth controlled by smaller percentage of the biggies (hey, works for them...not best of times for small potatoes like myself). Some other glitz and glamour, the Hollywood set could fill in the blanks about the best of times (la-la land is full of fair tale dreams)

Worst: bankruptcies personal and mortgages (foreclosures up 35% in housing from last Dec. it is said); highest personal debt levels per person here in history; we have a negative savings rate, as a nation; government deficits that are highest in history (but they say, they are coming down); 37+ states in red ink deficits (last time this happened was 1929-shadows lurking??); Federal Reserve is now not posting M3 money supply information (the presses are working overtime-printing); politically we are facing a dead nation; morally we already achieved the same; economically we are in red ink; our culture does not value life; we don't secure our own borders; we allow outsiders to influence our system and values without real challanges (door mat effect); the ACLU is having a field day and figures it is one generation from help to defeat the America we used to enjoy; secular values leading to now legislating from the Judges bench, against written laws and redefinded-penalties of laws(Nero syndrome or Grand Pu-bah righteousness)=letting felons go cheaply; less and less respect for teachers, police and others doing there jobs. In effect a culture that is embracing Satan in many ways, doing a fine job of it too. Our role models appear to be Brittany Spears, Paris Hilton, Tommy the drummer dude and such idealogical types (ha), just what your kids need to clone into; Hip-Hop culture is our new reality of the American way (what way is that? if you know what I'm sayin). Terrorism-nukes-. coming towards us more and more.

I think we have reached a state in this country where we cannot go back and forward is actually paved and looks alot like hell. Some are ready to lead us there, perhaps faster than others. Once we get there, oh boy won't it be great (lol), you will be able to screw anything, anytime, any age-sex-living thing anyway; or kill for justified road rage; steal anybodys identity and monies without penalties; total anarchy semi-justified; reparations for anybody and anything for a past injustice; no God or religion (except maybe Islam-but don't lose your head over this); social security for illegals; Islam fundamentalists allowed to become President; our vote will count, but the ACLU gets to be in charge of the recounts or someother unbiased types(ha);this is enough to paint a picture, now picture your family and friends living in this Utopia! America is about to become history, as you used to know it. Lessons from History shows not many civilizations or empires, rule for many hundreds or thousands of years. Russia has changed recently, we are ripening for major changes soon enough too. Maybe this does not occur overnight, but it is like boiling a frog....put into luke warm water then slowly turn up the heat (he does not jump out and is fried) with boiling water the frog has enough sense to know the program.:hi:"If it can go wrong,it will",Murphy's Law.circa 1800's.Or as me dear ole mum was given to say in answer to most any question."Que Sara,Sara,boy!How the fuck would I know?" Upon review of my reply,(up to the place noted below)I have no idea what it has to do with your post...I believe I forgot to take my medication(s)again...
Hola,Paul R. O.k,lets go.Soup lines,Homeless Shelters,Chairitable Organizatons(both church,and community),and those who(some by choice,some by chance),rely upon,in part at least,to survive.Men able/willing to rise and wait for the vans,that (for $3.00)will take them to work,and pick them up 8,10hrs later.Manual labor Hard Work! Van drops them at laborpool office,where they are given a check,$40.00,Minus $3.00(trans.)$2.00(S.S.I.)($2.80 F.I.C.A.).stashing enough money away for, 1st & last,electric dep...and surviving day to day,for as long as nessesary (How Long?I do'nt wanna know!)to save the $,then what?Get a job for $1.50/$2.00 more phr.40hr.wk.gross$280.00,net,$230.00/235.00.$.50cent phr.raise after 90 days,your on your way,no more sleeping outside,getting rained on,or spending 14hrs a day just getting to and from work(for $32.00...it costs a buck to get your check cashed.)Unless you owe the Fed.for back child support...(perish the thought)With luck in a year,or so,you can save enough to put down on a ride...and kiss that bustop goodbye.Now that's a success story? Yo, I'm baaack... Well for some the glass is half empty,for others the glass is half full;The world is a great horn of plenty,to bad that it's still on the Bull.Well all I can say in closing (heh-heh)is "Cheer-Up",little Buck-a-Roo...Oh yeah,can you tell me Who is credited for saying"God helps those who help Themselves"?cya,ex.





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[Bill]

So you say the problem is the ACLU?

Oh sure, it's the civil liberties crowd that's leading us down the road to hell.

[exarmyranger]

So did ya hear Deadeye Dick invited his ole pal "Skooter" Libby on a private hunting trip"just me you and a shotgun,out in the middle of nowhere,do'nt that sound great ole pal"...The V.P.was reported to say.A spokesperson for "Skooter" when asked if Skoot had excepted his former bosses invitation.Replied,No, lameduck season is closed for two more years. .ex

[Paul Revere]

Bill the ACLU does more evil than good works, although they take on some righteous cases so as sugar coat there existence. Their founder a communist mentions in his 'address' the goal is communism and basically a defeat of American values(read the history of the ACLU). The book ACLU vs. America will enlighten you as to what they defend. Here is an example: NAMBLA (this is the man boy love network) they defend their right to publish information and photos on the internet (free speech) of children for sexual exploitation, they tell on the internet how to abduct and rape and kill a child and get away with it. One such idiot followed those instructions, later was caught and the ACLU defended him (of course). Perhaps you might like to see your child posing on such a website and candy for pervs. Read the rest of the book and then tell me what a conservative s.o.b. I must be (read first)! Further if found as the conservative sob, that suits me well enough, I cannot join defenders of NAMLBA and other such works of evil (any lawyer can reject repulsive clients). So, Bill I acknowledge your right to question my statements and would have said similar perhaps, prior to reading the book and what the founders own history and words are. I recommend people read this book and it shows many cases of anti-American values, including ruining the Boy Scouts, religion, removal of Christmas in most any form (especially against small towns, cities that cannot defend themselves with enough $$$$). So, I would have to say they are a problem and that a communist agenda for us, is in fact evil.

I want to go hunting with Cheney, first remove his ammo when his is not looking.

As for the glass half full or empty, I guess I have trouble finding a glass that is visible or does government tell me when and where to acknowledge, is this a glass or that? Let alone how much or little is within it. I would guess that the glass was full because we live in the land of plenty.(humor intended)

[Bill]

Oh yeah, invoke NAMBLA.

Those boy-fuckers surely don't deserve a legal defense, that's just plain beyond the pale. And next year some other group will be just too horrible to defend, like maybe the radical right christians. And the year after thaty maybe public opinion will make people like you undefendable, abhorrent, desrving only to be shot in the street or tossed in a prison without trial.

Using the nambla defense to attack the civil liberties people shows just how empty your gun is.

And what the fuck do I care if the founder of the ACLU was a commie? I got news for you, it's completely fucking legal to be a card carrying commie in this country, thats what makes this america.

Tell it to somebody who wants to crush freedom in america, I'm sure they'll swallow it hook line and sinker.

Empty rhetoric straight from your radio puppetmasters. You haven't changed a word.

[Linkster]

Ive said it many times but here ya go - take religion out of the mix and then we can talk about some real "American values" - as long as religion is used in any argument on morals, way of life, or citizenship there cannot be an honest discussion about any national issue

[exarmyranger]

Go Bill,Go Bill...Pedophilia is a disease,and I know how to heal those who have it...The basic principle's of Communism,are/were(imo),not to suppress the populus,but to level the playing field so those who wore rags,could compete with those who wore silk.Regretfully it does'nt work (on a national scale) unless all (the people) agree and abide by it's doctrine's.So the "Enemy of the People",any freedom of...Speech,Choice(where to live,work)...can't/was'nt tolerated by The Party.Siberia became home for (Philosophers,Authors,ect)in Communist Russia.The Red Communist Party of China,squashes any attempt (Literally)at protest aimed at The Party.You know you...ca'nt please everyone so...You got to please yourself...QT.Ricky Nelson,T/C ex.

[Paul Revere]

Bill would you be open minded enough to read the book, prior to sending arrows???? If you believe the ACLU is a group of good deed doers then that is your right. Sure they do take some righteous defense cases, I will acknowledge that. Nambla surely is not a righteous defense case. You cannot right a wrong that is pure evil.

[Linkster]

Paul - I would disagree with you totally - what they are defending has nothing to do with what the organizations stands for - they are fighting for their freedom of speech just as they did with the fundie Christian group they represented:
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/protest/11289prs20000831.html

If you are against freedom of speech then so be it - I suppose that means that if someone claimed to be Jesus and spoke against whatever frigging god you idiots believe in, that you would think that they should be jailed and not represented for their US guaranteed freedom of speech? (note I picked that guaranteed word on purpose since most people think thats what it is - I dont agree but I use that line anyway)
One of these days some of the people that post will take the initiative to educate themselves PRIOR to posting rather than just listening to what their "prophets" tell them on television or radio - that would certainly be a step in the right direction - wont solve the religion problem but then - thats been brewing for 9,000 years or so

[Paul Revere]

Linkster I love you man even though you send some stiff arrows. Don't put everyone into little boxes of ideology it could backfire.

Peace

[Linkster]

Believe me I have no preconceptions of anyone personally - although you are correct as far as boxing groups together - if a group of humans has such a low opinion of themselves as to have to believe in a higher power outside of themselves, then they deserve everything they get :)
As far as ideology - I have one - me! If I were to waste my life worrying about what the next person is doing or not doing then I have wasted that part of my life entirely - and cannot retrieve it.
Something I learned probably way too early in life is that you can worry all day about everyone else and their problems or spend your life while you exist ensuring that you are the best you can be personally (not to live up to anyone elses expectations - only your own) - and hopefully you will enjoy it as much as I have :)

[exarmyranger]

Linkster,sometimes I think we went to different schools(of thought)together,this is one of those times.Worry has never changed the out-come of a single situation,nor contributed to the solving of any problem.It is simply a by-product of fear.Do'nt you find it stange,people seldom worry about what is happening,instead of what will happen!We are not born to fear and worry...these impairments are acquired after a great deal of thought,effort,and development.A fool never worries...a wise man will not react to worry,only to reason,an understanding.T/C.ex.

[Bill]

What book, Paul Revere?

Read it, almost certainly - buy it, almost certainly not. I mostly buy books on science, history, and technical books.

Is there a web page with a synopsis?

The thing is, if you set up a straw man villian like the ACLU, and blame them for defending freedom of speech, it calls everything else you say into question.

I mean, we're not stupid, we know who in the entertainment industry is calling the ACLU an enemy of the state. We know where this rhetoric is coming from.

To sugest that the ACLU is responsible for the problems of this country just isn't defensible.

Go ahead, try. Defend your choice of villian. It won't go well.

I happen to basically agree with your main thesis - that this country is going to hell in a handbasket.

But I can't take your choice of villian seriously.

[Paul Revere]

I said they also take on some righteous cases and do some good too.
Thanks for the arrows occassionally sent I accept them and do not return them to you.

[Bill]

A noble attitude, Paul Revere.

I hope you recognize I'm also being much more gentle than I could be.

I would like to see you reformulate your argument without such an easily refuted component.