We need to be doing more to kill freedom

[kres24GT]

The liberals and neoconservatives are doing a fair job of robbing us of our freedoms in the name of government knows best, but they need to do more.

We need to institute the following immediately:

1. Gov't sets all wages. Setting the minimum wage isn't enough. All of us need to be relieved of the freedom of negotiating our own wage. I should not be allowed to work for less than corrupt politicians feel I should get paid.

2. Health care and diet. Our well being is the responsibility of government. I should not be responsible for my health care, nor should I be trusted to eat right and exercise enough to stay healthy. Governments needs to pass socialized medicine and begin regulating diet and mandating exercises for all Americans.

3. More money for retirements savings. Social security is a good start but we still need to save to live comfortably in retirement. I don't like saving money and simply don't want the freedom to save and invest as I see fit. We need to raise taxes on the rich to increase the payouts for social security once retirement comes. They all got rich on our backs anyway.


Any other freedoms we can send over to government? Personally I hope we get rid of all of them soon. Making choices and living with the consequences is no way to live. Freedom simply isn't worth the trouble.

[exarmyranger]

"AS FOR ME" I do not choose to be a common man,it is my right to be uncommon...I seek the opportunity to develop whatever talents I possess;not,security.I do not wish to be a kept citizen,humbled by having the state look after me.I want to take the "calculated risk";to dream and build,to fail or succeed.I refuse to barter for a dole...I prefer the challenges of life to a guaranteed existance;the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of Utopia.I will never trade my freedom for beneficence,nor my dignity for a handout...I shall never cower before any earthly master or bend to any threat.It is my heritage to stand erect,proud,and unafraid;to think and act for myself,to enjoy the benefit of my creations,to face the world and openly declare..."This,with integrity and effort,I have achieved." All this and more is what being an American is to me"... ex.

[kres24GT]

"AS FOR ME" I do not choose to be a common man,it is my right to be uncommon...I seek the opportunity to develop whatever talents I possess;not,security.I do not wish to be a kept citizen,humbled by having the state look after me.I want to take the "calculated risk";to dream and build,to fail or succeed.I refuse to barter for a dole...I prefer the challenges of life to a guaranteed existance;the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of Utopia.I will never trade my freedom for beneficence,nor my dignity for a handout...I shall never cower before any earthly master or bend to any threat.It is my heritage to stand erect,proud,and unafraid;to think and act for myself,to enjoy the benefit of my creations,to face the world and openly declare..."This,with integrity and effort,I have achieved." All this and more is what being an American is to me"... ex.


You and your freedom buddies need to get out of here and move to another country. We hate freedom here and you and your brothers of liberty will sacrifice your freedoms int he name of big government or else. We will use the police power of government to rob ourselves and you of your freedom.

[exarmyranger]

Oh come on;you can do better that...If you think I can be silenced by idle threats issued by neocon's within the government,or by some pot smoking, pathetic,pussy,protagonistic,piss in the pool,prostraiting,political,premature ejaculaculation prone,peckerwood...I will be heard,Period!!!So all I can add is,"Yall have a nice evenin now yaheer"..............ex.

[stefan segal]

Ex...is this guy joking...I thought he must be...I hope he is....

By the way...you put together a nice string of curses...I assume you're from out kentucky/ tennessee way...where cursing has been an art form since the fur trappers first Jamboree...that name doesn't sound right...what I mean is rondevue,,,where they got together once a year to sell hides, curse, drink and fight.

Anyway...it's an odd way to introduce yourself on a Democracy site. He isn;t polished enough to be privy or profit from the PNAC crew...and he's too politicized be some right winged mercenary....and he not smart enough to sell his views like G Gordan Liddy...so what is left, is that he's having fun playing at devil's advocate...what do you think?

For my part...I'm ready to play as soon as he hits on something where I have a dog in the fight :)

So Kres...you bag of shit...reach in an come up with something not lampooned...you know something we can take as a serious attempt at an affront...so far.,..you've just established that you generally smell bad...put some effort into it :)

Stefan

[exarmyranger]

Yo Stefan,I'm fairly certain our new friend is a fool,in either case...But I look forward to disseminating any post,sarcastic bullshit,or truthfull opinion offerd by this clueless,and obviously confused person.carry on my friend...ex.

[exarmyranger]

Oh one thing more,I don't think I mentioned this before(but I may have)I have met with G.Gordan,several times,in busn.and in private(if lunch,or dinner/cocktail party's can be concidered private)The man has more self asteem,confidence,and conviction to his belief's political,and personal,than any of the men I came to know over my 16yrs.with the C.M.S...If Gordon could'nt sell you whatever he was peddling,He'd stuff it down your throat,if you did'nt swallow it,he'd jam it up your ass...ex

[stefan segal]

I of course have never met the man...I did read his book. I can't imagine anyone close to human have the self control he seems to have or claims. I hear he has a radio show, but I have never heard it.

Ex..is he real...or memorex? Would you go fishing with the guy, if fishing was off away from witnesses? If he bleeds...does it come out in cubes...the guy seems more than a little cold...what do you think?

Stefan

[exarmyranger]

Yo Stefan,I'll try to answer your querie's as to my personal opinion of G.G.L...The base(s)on which I reached (my opinion) (in part).I can't/will not describe in this forum,or any public forum/mess.board;In his book,It's around here somewhere...He make's reference's to some exploits,I know to be the truth,albeit of nessesary omitions."Is he human?"Sure,but he is'nt what you/I would call "Humane" nor "Inhumane"...Desensitized? Yes! Defencive? Yes! Determined? Yes! In controll of self? As in emotional responce's?Yes! Physical as in prolonged period's of time(fatel duraition)with,no food,water,light...? Yes! Pain...his tolerance levels are high,to extreme. Certainly,I'd go fishing with him...If he accepted an invotation from me,we use my boat,and my G.P.S. is'nt working...I do'nt recall ever seeing him bleed...but I've heard his blood is Red & liquid(like yours&mine...)at a distance,but up close it's,Red,White,& Blue. A "little" cold? Well,no more than a Granite Headstone in a Vermont winter.t/c ex.

[kres24GT]

What are you guys talking about? This thread is about getting our politicians to do more to kill freedom. While they are doing a lot, they could be doing more if they weren't squabbling all the time. Both parties are all for big government over personal freedom, which is a good thing, but they want to whine about the little stuff. We need to tell the Dems and Reps that we don't care what they do as long as means less freedom for us and more government dependence, then they would be more free to legislate freedom a way.

[stefan segal]

Just exercising one of the freedoms libertarian/repugs overlooked Kres...

Kres...lets move it to something more specific...like the minimum wage raise...throwing money into the grass roots when it could be buying villas in the South of france...just as everyone knows that money will be lost in neighborhood dollar stores and discount food suppliers...not in big ticket items that bring it back home.

Come on Kres...don't make me script your side also...get definative...step up to the plate and forget the platitudes.

Stefan

[kres24GT]

As I said, I think the minimum wage should be higher. People can't live off $7.25 an hour. The thing people don't realize is that not only does minimum wage need to keep up with inflation, but also the ever increased cost of living. As new necessities keep coming up like cell phones, cable TV, internet, HDTV, and 7th generation video game consoles, minimum wage should be increased so that everyone can afford them. I'd like to see minimum wage be at least $15 an hour (also force employers to nor fire employees because of the increase) and everyone else in the workplace get a raise in line with that a well. I think it's safe to say we cannot trust people to negotiate their own wage and that this freedom must be relieved of the American people, I am sure you agree. I make more than minimum wage but even so I can barely afford new ring tones for my cell phone. That isn't fair. A lot of my friends got lucky and graduated college and got jobs and they can afford tons of ring tones while I am stuck with the 1812 Overture and Canon in D. Is it too much to ask for a little bit of raise so I can get the Indiana Jones Theme ring tone?

I think we agree here, people should not be free to work for less than certain amount of money or negotiate their wage. Corrupt greedy politicians, and only greedy corrupt politicians know the least amount someone should be willing to work for per hour. Not sure why you are trying to pick a fight with me on this one.

[stefan segal]

Pick a fight...because I am not an anarchist. Moby gave the proper explaination...and wage hikes should be absorbed into the market in stages.

Personally, I was dissapointed that there wasn't an inflation rider in the bill, but some faction of our population must suffer the jolts of incremental hyper inflation...and the low income consumers make the best canidate...as they make the least violent imact on business of all the groups...which is the the business of government...to protect business from people looking for a fair shake.

This built in "cushion" for business, will have the effect of a lag-time between inflationary price escallations and compassionate raises of business costs of labor...thereby. making the poor gradationally poorer while raising their hourly wage...albeit a mite slowly, and giving consumers time to emotionally absorb the fact that all suppliers have raised their prices and begin consuming at a normal rate before the need to pay more for labor. Thus avoiding an automated double hit with every rise in inflation.

As Moby pointed out, 15 dollars would be nice for some who still retained their jobs, but widespread layoffs and full-time jobs go to "part-time status, using the saved perks of full time labor to pay for the added costs. would be the result...Doubling the wage is not a warrented option.

I also think...and if I had a voice that would be listened to, I'd demand, a second tier of wages that would accomodate school kids and apprentices.

This might be possible under existing laws if a percentage of the hourly wage was deducted for the cost of teaching...in the apprentice example, and stretched to cover after school workers as general know-nothings, so whatever work they are put to...they are also learning.

This is a weakness in our workforce today...no training before they acquire expensive appetites, and then all you can teach them is how to beat the time-clock coupled with how to multipy the $$ by their time.

The economy is like a digestive tract...there is only so much in it...to make more 'here' taskes away from 'there'...then 'there' reacts...and then it becomes complicated. But the salient point is that for every part of the tract to prosper...you must put more in the hopper.

70% of new jobs are created by small business...100's of thousand's of workers have been dumped in downsizing...80% of GDP is consumerism, so if you want to put more in the hopper...then boost small business. (And in these times, start-ups is renewable energy in all it's stages and forms, could save this economy...assuming we can bullshit and intimidate the rest of the world for a few more decades while we get our feet under us and begin to manufacture product again)

Kresw...theoretically and emotionally, I agree the gov. has no business in enforcing wage rates. But where the rubber hits the road, there is this thing the gov didn't do that was it's duty...and that was to protect working citizen's right to assembly and unionize.

Because they fostered the corporate state to illegally pressure, fire and physically harm union men and their organizers out of existance, or at least pulled their teeth, the gov must step in and dictate minimums. (this is in their interest to get money to consumers, who in turn, give it to business...large and small, but the upshot is to pump energy into the GNP, which supports our bankrupt dollar)

There is no element of the economy that does not have an effect on all other
elements...the fiction of change (other than actually raising the level of our output/product), is measured in increments of time when focusing upon a single contiguous reaction...whereas the overview always equals 1, barring breakthroughs in technology that are "must haves"...as they effect the whole supply chain simuteanously...thus actually making an upward change and raising the bar.

Stefan

[kres24GT]

Government should just force employers not to lay people off, they should also force employers to give "full time" benefits to everyone regardless of how many hours they work. Cutting the work week back to a more French like thing would be good as well. Six weeks mandatory vacation as well. Like I said, I think government is doing a fair job of ridding us of freedoms we don't want or deserve, but if they would stop squabbling about the little differences we could do more to increase the size of government.


Another thing I would like to see is easier income redistribution. I think we all agree redistributing wealth is one of the prime functions of government, but it could be done more efficiently and without less cost if we were just allowed to go to our more fortunate neighbors homes and take what we need to make things more fair. Instead of the costs, and of course the use of my time, of going to a government office, filling out papers, etc. I could just go to my neighbors house, provided he is luckier than I, and take what I need to make us square. That would save time and money.

[stefan segal]

I don't think there's much hope for an over-reachiing policy that would be effectual in making the option of a living wage for all those who work full time...we are not created equal in the market place.

The long term goal for a society would be to make available those tools of education and experience to generally upgrade the workforce, but the financing of that would need some creativity to make it so.

Those goals you lampoon, (aside from deciding to balance things yourself...you are NOT the decider...yet), would cause cultural and statis changes that would only strengthen our economy and society.

In keeping with that notion, I would propose that tax dollars be given in loan to start-ups that meet good business plans (as the banks once required before giving someone money), to pay back, not in a % of their company or company's profits, but at low interest...tagged to US treasury bill rates.

This would effect much R&D and the maturation of many technological inventions that money-men now control and decide what and what not the society needs...to the detriment of the business "invested" in and society as a whole...because money...big money, doesn't not have the same aims or goals of inovators and inventors...a fact we all discover in the end...to our detriment.

This process would not cost the taxpayer, and benifit the whole of society.

Delayed taxes might be another no cost help to start-ups, if payment is staged over time like school loans.

Of course this would create a new beurocratic agency, but that might be obviated by a call for $1.00 a year, retired bankers and businessmen to access the viability of the applicants and distribute and oversee funds...

If monies were expended on PR and the blow by blow of success stories handled by the agency. People with money will forego salieries for publicity, while doing a good deed in the bargain.

Kres...I rather redesign society than to act to bring it crashing down.

In the position our society and economy is today...everything that can be manipulated by the fed, bankers, fund mangagers, and other money magnets, like insurance companies, is being manipulated just to keep the fiction of a working economy afloat...no need for rocking the boat....as only a libertarian can believe is a good thing...killing all gov support to citizens.

If libertarians ever gained the position to act out what they claim to demand, there would be a host of angry citizens joining the homeless in the streets.

I believe we are still the best armed (and dangerous) population in the civilized industrial (yes, we manufacture items for Victoria's Secrets...so we still qualify as industrial) nation in the world...how long do you think libetarians would remain not only in office, but still standing?

You people had better find a way to regain your grip on reality before your hubris makes you step on your dick :)

Stefan

[kres24GT]

To me there is only 3 solutions to any and every problem.

1. More government.
2. Less freedom.
3. More tax dollars from the rich.

If we throw more money (from the rich) at our schools and end what little school competition there is (i.e. get rid of private schools) that will solve that problem. A whole nation of people educated by the 29th best education system in the world sounds pretty good to me. We also of course make college free for all who want it and get rid of private colleges as well. Government, and only government, should educate us. To learn to be 100% dependent on government, this is a must.

Small business must be squashed at all cost with oppressive business regulations that protect customers like me who are too lazy to make informed consumer choices. I shouldn't have to read the fine print, or do my homework when I buy something. Only big business who is in bed with our corrupt big government politicians (God Bless Them) can afford all these to keep up with these great laws that benefit people like me who want to be more dependent on government.

[Paul Revere]

Thanks for the welcomes and since it is mentioned about 'big brother' (govt) and things that are happening (naturally we voted and approved on them all-ha) here is one about right to look at bank records and financial stuff without any warrants or stop measures(per se). It is meant for catching the bad guys funding the jihadies that may be amongest us.
It is a current news article at aol.com regarding pentagon viewing bank records the url I tried to submit is very long and gets edited herein it seems. So if you wish to read about such, try google search on that subject.
How it is used and to whom is the biggest questions.

Some interesting books to read these days:
'Inside Islam' (from convert from Islam to Christian) = yes we are the infidel!

ACLU vs. America (read and see what they defend and their acts)

(humor-ass quote, injections):
Youth is wasted on the young (W.C. Fields)
I wouldn't join a group, that would have me as a member (Groucho Marx)

(This is not your fathers Oldsmobile....same can be said for the Government)

[exarmyranger]

This is off the topic,but W.C. is in the top 5 on my favorite dead entertainer's list.my personal favorite,he sez to a kid about to drink a glass of water"Doe'nt drink that m-boy...fish fornicate in it...cya,ex. P.S."Why I'd horsewhip you! if i had a horse.Groucho Marks

[Paul Revere]

That's good that you like W.C. Fields, and I like the water and fish joke, I am sure I will use it soon. Same for Marx and the bros., they were funny. We need a few laughs these days as we are not so dumb as to not smell the winds of change that have been blowing. Answer me this: are we going to look back 10-20 years from now (cause by then it will be living hell) and think these were the good ole days?????? I could be wrong or "I could be totally wrong...but I'm dancing foool....fooool.....fooooool. (loved the 70's sometimes).

Can someone pass a bill and add common sense as a new amendment.

[kres24GT]

Unless we are passing bills that kill freedom and increase dependence on government we aren't interested.

[exarmyranger]

Yo Paul,another 10,or 20yrs?At my age in 20yrs. I probably won't be able to look back at all.I'll be lucky if I can look back(remember)to wipe my own ass.Time is a cruel master amiago...Truthfully,I've had and hope to have a good ole days(time)to remember,as my childhood was umm,short,and my adolesence came and went without (other than normal physical maturing)my having the opertunity(time)to notice.Emancipaited at the ripe old age of 15,inducted(not drafted)into theU.S.Army,1&1/2yrs.later.Solong sweet 16,lol. 6yrs.101st.A.B.R.69-75,16yrs.civilian military service contractor...Logistic analisist/field operaition(s)advisory staff attache.Good day's...Sure,but of short duraition,and that ever preasent "Did I turn the oven off" feeling thats been ingraved on my frontal lobe...fortunently I won't be a victom of Future Shock.Fuckit,Que-Sara-Sara,the futures not ours to see.Stay Well,ex.

[Betty Blowtorch]

Seems like some of the guys on this site need to go down
to their local 99-cents store and buy themselves a sense
of humor.

[stefan segal]

Hey...
blowtorch...welcome back:)

Stefan

[Betty Blowtorch]

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/373/bartwaveei4.jpg
Gracias.

[Caskey_91]

The liberals and neoconservatives are doing a fair job of robbing us of our freedoms in the name of government knows best, but they need to do more.

We need to institute the following immediately:

1. Gov't sets all wages. Setting the minimum wage isn't enough. All of us need to be relieved of the freedom of negotiating our own wage. I should not be allowed to work for less than corrupt politicians feel I should get paid.

2. Health care and diet. Our well being is the responsibility of government. I should not be responsible for my health care, nor should I be trusted to eat right and exercise enough to stay healthy. Governments needs to pass socialized medicine and begin regulating diet and mandating exercises for all Americans.

3. More money for retirements savings. Social security is a good start but we still need to save to live comfortably in retirement. I don't like saving money and simply don't want the freedom to save and invest as I see fit. We need to raise taxes on the rich to increase the payouts for social security once retirement comes. They all got rich on our backs anyway.


Any other freedoms we can send over to government? Personally I hope we get rid of all of them soon. Making choices and living with the consequences is no way to live. Freedom simply isn't worth the trouble.

wow talk about sounding like a dictator.

1. This statement of having a universal wage would toattly go against the way this country was built as I have said in a previous post, it would also screw over the economy.

2. What is the government supposed to do spoon feed ya? You know how much man power that would take and the cost of such a plan. If you are that lazy that you have no motivation to monitor your own self you shouldn't be alive.

3. Social Securtiy is on it's way out the door it is so far in dept. Also how would we make up for the taxes that we've taken off the rich? It owuld come out of the common man's pocket which would prevent a person from placing it into a fund. By the time i'm able to retire Socail Security will be a thing of the past.

- If you hate all of these freedoms? Then why do you still live here? Kind of hypocritical don't ya think? I'm not gunna waste anymore of my breath we these acnine ideas of yours.

[Caskey_91]

To me there is only 3 solutions to any and every problem.

1. More government.
2. Less freedom.
3. More tax dollars from the rich.

If we throw more money (from the rich) at our schools and end what little school competition there is (i.e. get rid of private schools) that will solve that problem. A whole nation of people educated by the 29th best education system in the world sounds pretty good to me. We also of course make college free for all who want it and get rid of private colleges as well. Government, and only government, should educate us. To learn to be 100% dependent on government, this is a must.

Small business must be squashed at all cost with oppressive business regulations that protect customers like me who are too lazy to make informed consumer choices. I shouldn't have to read the fine print, or do my homework when I buy something. Only big business who is in bed with our corrupt big government politicians (God Bless Them) can afford all these to keep up with these great laws that benefit people like me who want to be more dependent on government.

Okay how the hell are you going to pay for all of this? Free college is VERY expensive, hell it's expensive still when your paying tuition still.

Last time I checked man Communism didn't work out to well. Democracy seems to be able to survive though.

:thumbsup:

[exarmyranger]

Okay how the hell are you going to pay for all of this? Free college is VERY expensive, hell it's expensive still when your paying tuition still.

Last time I checked man Communism didn't work out to well. Democracy seems to be able to survive though.

:thumbsup:You'll discover this for yourself I'm sure...but Kres tends to slip in and out of character...the preceeding post was a scaled down version of his apathetic,feed,clothe,shelter,i'm a gov.slave persona:lmao2: ex

[kres24GT]

Caskey, I noticed you don't agree with my big government, anti-freedom character. So why are you supporting another big government anti-freedom candidate in Obama?

[Caskey_91]

Caskey, I noticed you don't agree with my big government, anti-freedom character. So why are you supporting another big government anti-freedom candidate in Obama?

Last time I checked Obama was pushing for more freedoms, not trying to get rid of them.

I don't like big governemnet but I feel that Obama isn't the type of leader your thinking of here. The kind of leader your thinking of is well a dictator. I do belive we need a little more governemnt interference in buisness but that is really it. I don't agree with robbing freedoms away which is not what Obama wants to do.

[kres24GT]

Last time I checked Obama was pushing for more freedoms, not trying to get rid of them.

I don't like big governemnet but I feel that Obama isn't the type of leader your thinking of here. The kind of leader your thinking of is well a dictator. I do belive we need a little more governemnt interference in buisness but that is really it. I don't agree with robbing freedoms away which is not what Obama wants to do.


Oh yes, we differently need more barriers to business that stifles entrepreneurship is exactly what we need. While business regulations sounds great, and sound like our loyal politicians are out to protect us from big bad Big Business, in reality these laws only help Big Business, because Big Business is the only ones who can afford to comply with them. Big Business gets the politicians elected, never be tricked into thinking the politicians will bite the hand that feeds their power.

Obama is another big government lover, he is not in favor of freedom. As a leader I think he would be pretty good, (much better than what we current have) but I would not vote for him simply because he is an anti freedom big government lover like all Dems and Reps.

I don't understand how my wish to take power away from the government means I favor a dictator. You will have to explain that comment to me.

[Caskey_91]

Oh yes, we differently need more barriers to business that stifles entrepreneurship is exactly what we need. While business regulations sounds great, and sound like our loyal politicians are out to protect us from big bad Big Business, in reality these laws only help Big Business, because Big Business is the only ones who can afford to comply with them. Big Business gets the politicians elected, never be tricked into thinking the politicians will bite the hand that feeds their power.

Obama is another big government lover, he is not in favor of freedom. As a leader I think he would be pretty good, (much better than what we current have) but I would not vote for him simply because he is an anti freedom big government lover like all Dems and Reps.

I don't understand how my wish to take power away from the government means I favor a dictator. You will have to explain that comment to me.

Taking away a persons freedoms and telling them how to live is a dictatorship. Castro has been doing it for Decades. Alot of your thoughts can be traced back to Communism especially the minimum wage. I can see ya on some of this stuff. But with alot of this stuff you are very much an extremist.

[kres24GT]

Taking away a persons freedoms and telling them how to live is a dictatorship. Castro has been doing it for Decades. Alot of your thoughts can be traced back to Communism especially the minimum wage. I can see ya on some of this stuff. But with a lot of this stuff you are very much an extremist.


I don't think you are keeping up very well.

[Caskey_91]

I don't think you are keeping up very well.

How am I not. I was giving you an explanation of I why I think most of your views are the same of a dictator.

[exarmyranger]

Taking away a persons freedoms and telling them how to live is a dictatorship. Castro has been doing it for Decades. Alot of your thoughts can be traced back to Communism especially the minimum wage. I can see ya on some of this stuff. But with alot of this stuff you are very much an extremist.HEY,:hi: Communist Governments,are not Dictatorship's...Fascist's can/are in the seats of power behind Soscialist Republics,Peoples Union of wherever,Republic/Federation of whatever.As well as (at least thier upfront with it)Red China,N.Korea,both Peoples Republics are under communist rule.Cuba is a Republic,with a President(for life)...Someone said (perhaps you)it's semantics.You could also say no one can take away what you do not have...nor can you miss what you never had."Give me your children till they are 16 and they will be mine forever!" Adolph Hitler...savvy my meaning? ex

[Caskey_91]

HEY,:hi: Communist Governments,are not Dictatorship's...Fascist's can/are in the seats of power behind Soscialist Republics,Peoples Union of wherever,Republic/Federation of whatever.As well as (at least thier upfront with it)Red China,N.Korea,both Peoples Republics are under communist rule.Cuba is a Republic,with a President(for life)...Someone said (perhaps you)it's semantics.You could also say no one can take away what you do not have...nor can you miss what you never had."Give me your children till they are 16 and they will be mine forever!" Adolph Hitler...savvy my meaning? ex

Well by reading what I have on the Cuban governemnt it is more of a dictatorship than anything. I've read that the Governemnt decided's what job you have, who you marry, how many children your allowed to have, and pretty much how to live your life. And this seems to be the path that this loon here wants us to take. That is what I am trying to get at.

[exarmyranger]

I agree,if it looks like dog poop,and it smells like dog poop,chances are it is dog poop.You can gold plate a pile of poop,but it's still a pile of poop.Semantics...A rose by any other name doth(does)smell as sweet...ex

[kres24GT]

How am I not. I was giving you an explanation of I why I think most of your views are the same of a dictator.



That is a character I did when I first came here. This has been said about 40 times.

[Caskey_91]

I agree,if it looks like dog poop,and it smells like dog poop,chances are it is dog poop.You can gold plate a pile of poop,but it's still a pile of poop.Semantics...A rose by any other name doth(does)smell as sweet...ex

Exactly.

You can say the same thing during Husseins rein. He would have a national vote for leader, but in the end if you voted against him he would send out his men or whoever and well kill you. Cuba is pretty much the same way.

[exarmyranger]

Exactly.

You can say the same thing during Husseins rein. He would have a national vote for leader, but in the end if you voted against him he would send out his men or whoever and well kill you. Cuba is pretty much the same way.I live about 15 miles(as the crow flys)from Tampa,Fl. Cubans bought up old warehouses,apartment buildings,storefront business/apartment buildings in a deserted(for the most part)area of Tampa they called it Y-BOR CITY,the Cuban's main industry was cigar production.Tampa and the residents of y-bor city.became a world leader in the production,and sale of fine handrolled cigars at an affordable price.Most every Cuban girl from working class homes was proficiant at rolling cigars by age 12.That was due to Cuba's own tobbaco crop,being of such massive quanity,that once the buyers from other country's,and Cuba's own market were filled to capacity,the remaining leaf was given to the under class citizens for thier own use.Little sister got the job of rolling the families smokes.my point is the cuban people who settled here were hardworking,enterprizing,people,who managed somehow to build a successfull capitalistic enclave here and keep thier heritage intact while doing so...You think Fidel was bad,he'll be dead before long..Then watch his son go power mad! ex :hammer: