Court: U.S. can bar mad-cow testing

[Moby]

Because big cattle companies don't want to give smaller companies an edge they ban them from running tests to make sure that your food is safe. This is messed up on so many issues.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-08-29-mad-cow_N.htm?csp=34
WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal appeals court says the government can prohibit meat packers from testing their animals for mad cow disease.
Because the Agriculture Department tests only a small percentage of cows for the deadly disease, Kansas meatpacker Creekstone Farms Premium Beef wants to test all of its cows. The government says it can't.

Larger meat companies worry that if Creekstone is allowed to perform the test and advertise its meat as safe, they could be forced to do the expensive test, too.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on Friday overturned a lower court ruling that would have cleared the way for the testing. The appeals court said restricting the test is within the scope of the government's authority.

[Dale escondido]

Because big cattle companies don't want to give smaller companies an edge they ban them from running tests to make sure that your food is safe. This is messed up on so many issues.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-08-29-mad-cow_N.htm?csp=34

This cant be legal. Test the animals and test the courts.
This is still America isnt it?

[Dale escondido]

Because big cattle companies don't want to give smaller companies an edge they ban them from running tests to make sure that your food is safe. This is messed up on so many issues.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-08-29-mad-cow_N.htm?csp=34

bump it up

[disrupter]

oops i double posted.
repeating,

PROOF Bush & Neocons are ANTI-Free Market

And THIS is the absolute PROOF of that.

Criminal Corporations want a centrally run heap of corruption operated for THEIR benefit & THEIR benefit alone.
They do NOT want a genuinely free & fair market.

This company is taking its OWN INITIATIVE & this corrupt government is blocking them. Instead of leaving it up to the CHOICE of consumers [the free market] Central Planning Stalinist corporations want to stop it using YOUR government police.

Big Old Corporations depending on [unbid] government contracts are PARASITES, MAGGOTS, WORMS, BLOW-FLIES.

They want to KILL the American free market so they can feed leisurely on its rotting, stinking corpse.

They are bankrupting & destroying this nation at is very economic heart.

Privatization means you pay more, have less accountability, & get lower to NO services for all your tax dollars & for the IOUs these criminals are handing to your children & the unborn.

Miton Friedman is a LIE,

ANOTHER NEOCON LIE.

Neocons worship at the alter of PUTIN,
the perfectly corrupted government gangster.

To the neocons, Capitalists are synonymous with Thieves
& YOU are the one they are robbing.

This perverted Hypocrisy just inflames me.

Wake up people to these outrageous liars.
Otherwise i will be forced to write you off as just so much brain-dead meat,
barely worthy of the effort of contempt.

[Dale escondido]

oops i double posted.
repeating,

PROOF Bush & Neocons are ANTI-Free Market

And THIS is the absolute PROOF of that.

Criminal Corporations want a centrally run heap of corruption operated for THEIR benefit & THEIR benefit alone.
They do NOT want a genuinely free & fair market.

This company is taking its OWN INITIATIVE & this corrupt government is blocking them. Instead of leaving it up to the CHOICE of consumers [the free market] Central Planning Stalinist corporations want to stop it using YOUR government police.

Big Old Corporations depending on [unbid] government contracts are PARASITES, MAGGOTS, WORMS, BLOW-FLIES.

They want to KILL the American free market so they can feed leisurely on its rotting, stinking corpse.

They are bankrupting & destroying this nation at is very economic heart.

Privatization means you pay more, have less accountability, & get lower to NO services for all your tax dollars & for the IOUs these criminals are handing to your children & the unborn.

Miton Friedman is a LIE,

ANOTHER NEOCON LIE.

Neocons worship at the alter of PUTIN,
the perfectly corrupted government gangster.

To the neocons, Capitalists are synonymous with Thieves
& YOU are the one they are robbing.

This perverted Hypocrisy just inflames me.

Wake up people to these outrageous liars.
Otherwise i will be forced to write you off as just so much brain-dead meat,
barely worthy of the effort of contempt.


I am appreciating your style more as time goes on.
I never saw screaming as a very workable path, but when we are slapped in the face as this issue shows what will make us mad?
I think capitalism lends itself to corruption as greed is always present.
I dont see corps as inherently evil ,just taking charge because government is so inept.
I really am starting to see the professional politician as the problem and this need to be addressed.
Were not going to get anywhere with business as they can hide anywhere in the world.
The professional politician with their personal greed and posistion will eventually bankrupt our nation and well have a rebuilding period and alot of suffering and then play the same game again.

[disrupter]

I am shocked & amazed,
they say exactly one thing & do EXACTLY the opposite.

And people [enmasse] just don't seem to get it.

It borders on Orwellian,

but WILLING Orwellian which just defies my understanding of independent human nature.

maybe i just don't understand biology.
I suppose when it comes down to manipulating proteins & nervous systems anything is possible.

it is like words are just meaningless sounds.

Maybe the Dems or others would do better just to bark with intonations people could relate to?
am i exaggerating? i'm not sure.

[Cat slave]

This cant be legal. Test the animals and test the courts.
This is still America isnt it?

Youd think!!!!!

Maybe if more people swore off beef it would shake the cattle barons up.
Everytime I hear anything about it, Im so glad Ive not had a bite of red
meat for 25 yrs. Mad cow is even more of a reason to not eat the stuff.

The lobbyists just keep getting away with garbage. Im telling you we need
to band together and hire our own!! Then wed have a fighting chance.

[disrupter]

you are safe with whole muscle meats,

but ground meat, brains & intestines aren't safe.

Don't eat that next, McMadCow Burger!

and if you must have a burger, grind your own from meat you can see is safe [& perhaps more sanitary as well].

PS. i suppose the saturated/excess fat of even whole meats as well must be considered besides the Mad Cow.

[PhoneMistress]

This cant be legal. Test the animals and test the courts.
This is still America isnt it?

This is not legal. Companies are required to perform the minimum tests as required by law. If they want to perform more tests as long as it does not interfere with the quality of the product AND does not endanger our citizens then they can do whatever they want.

The Bush Administration has to prove that further testing damages the food product.

The problem with the agriculture industry is that it is inherently corrupt and the fact that federal dollars is the bread and butter for most ranchers and farmers does not alleviate the problem if anything it exacerbates it. These guys are powerful. They had Oprah on her knees in no time.

The request from the Bush Administration is odd. The dance between the courts isn't over. 9 times out 10 the farm in Kansas City gave up because it costs at least $100K to just prepare for appellate here. They could easily go bankrupt to fight for the right to do more tests.

If you are still eating beef from ranchers you don't know stop especially if you have growing children, are pregnant or infirmed. Switch to organic beef or lease a field and raise your own through a co-op. As it concerns cattle do not trust the government to protect your beef. At minimum stop using ground beef and grind your own.

[Dale escondido]

I am shocked & amazed,
they say exactly one thing & do EXACTLY the opposite.

And people [enmasse] just don't seem to get it.

It borders on Orwellian,

but WILLING Orwellian which just defies my understanding of independent human nature.

maybe i just don't understand biology.
I suppose when it comes down to manipulating proteins & nervous systems anything is possible.

it is like words are just meaningless sounds.

Maybe the Dems or others would do better just to bark with intonations people could relate to?
am i exaggerating? i'm not sure.

No its not we dont hear the words, its the fact that their is no truth in the words even if they appear true.
Lieing is now art. The ability to say the truth and create a conclusion that is an untruth has left the masses in quandry.
We trust nothing.
That is the exact desired result. We are intelligent idiots.

[disrupter]

we are idiots because we trust without verification.

we are idiots because some of us trust even when words are verified as lies.

it is like 'ewww' America, wtf is wrong with you?
I hope it is not contagious.

It is like the words are a hypnosis,
at that point we are detached from any meaning.
It is like people are enthralled in some kind of trance.
Mantras without meaning, other than subordination.

People need to get caffeinated NOW! lol
Get nervous, get real.

It is like there is all this meat walking around out their.
Slabs of walking talking meat, that you can be fooled into thinking it rises to being human.

God can give you a mind, but only you can use it to think with.
That is why it is 'free' will.

[Dale escondido]

we are idiots because we trust without verification.

we are idiots because some of us trust even when words are verified as lies.

it is like 'ewww' America, wtf is wrong with you?
I hope it is not contagious.

It is like the words are a hypnosis,
at that point we are detached from any meaning.
It is like people are enthralled in some kind of trance.
Mantras without meaning, other than subordination.

People need to get caffeinated NOW! lol
Get nervous, get real.

It is like there is all this meat walking around out their.
Slabs of walking talking meat, that you can be fooled into thinking it rises to being human.

God can give you a mind, but only you can use it to think with.
That is why it is 'free' will.

Agreed, but am I the only one here who believe all our sources are so poisoned as to create suspect in all of us about what the truth is?

[disrupter]

We will never know the complete truth,
our job is to make it [very] difficult to lie to & fool us.

If they are going to lie they are going to earn it, painfully.

I guess i & so many Americans may have somehow made this easier for them.

Recognize all those shallow empty glad faces you see on local TV news as treacherous. They lie with breathtaking ease.

You should watch TV news with fear.
the fear of being lied to about important things AGAIN.

When have you ever heard an apology, besides the New York Times, for the wildly wrong stories of Iraqi WMDs?

You/We need to puncture the lie of their FALSE credibility.
They make you feel all comfortable & friendly, but they are just cold paid whores in a studio far away, prostituting for corporations.

You need discomfort, by the truckload, with PROVEN fools/liars like them.

These plastic pretty, smiling faces need serious bitchslapping & defacement,
because that is what they have earned.

[Dale escondido]

We will never know the complete truth,
our job is to make it [very] difficult to lie to & fool us.

If they are going to lie they are going to earn it, painfully.

I guess i & so many Americans may have somehow made this easier for them.

Recognize all those shallow empty glad faces you see on local TV news as treacherous. They lie with breathtaking ease.

You should watch TV news with fear.
the fear of being lied to about important things AGAIN.

When have you ever heard an apology, besides the New York Times, for the wildly wrong stories of Iraqi WMDs?

You/We need to puncture the lie of their FALSE credibility.
They make you feel all comfortable & friendly, but they are just cold paid whores in a studio far away, prostituting for corporations.

You need discomfort, by the truckload, with PROVEN fools/liars like them.

These plastic pretty, smiling faces need serious bitchslapping & defacement,
because that is what they have earned.

Yeah I agree again,
We have our tvs our ipods and all sorts of entertainment, even the campaign is entertainment.
But the truth is only percieved as truth thru programming.
I am not trying to go in circles with you here, honestly but the closest we have been led to a truth police is the fairness doctrine?
I am looking for something to wrap my mind around as a solution.
Trying to take something subjective and making it objective without any bias, probably only possible in physics

[disrupter]

I think if one starts by hanging it on the biggest rationally available frame of reference then it is easier to proportion & prioritize everything according to that.

Dynamic Sustainability seems like a good general collective goal/direction.

I guess we have to balance our personal, immediate selfish interests with a slightly vague notion of 'collective selfish interests'. I guess that is mostly a personal call as long as we are not threatening other persons or the collective interests.

Really a lot is about 'quality of life'
The microbes miles inside solid rock will survive anything short of a quantum planet buster & there may even be microbes on Mars as a back up to that.

so it is really more selfish, inspired, quality of life questions we ask.

For most of us sustainability seems like a no-brainer,
but the armageddonists are at the fringe of suicide including dragging others along with them.

[Dale escondido]

I think if one starts by hanging it on the biggest rationally available frame of reference then it is easier to proportion & prioritize everything according to that.

Dynamic Sustainability seems like a good general collective goal/direction.

I guess we have to balance our personal, immediate selfish interests with a slightly vague notion of 'collective selfish interests'. I guess that is mostly a personal call as long as we are not threatening other persons or the collective interests.

Really a lot is about 'quality of life'
The microbes miles inside solid rock will survive anything short of a quantum planet buster & there may even be microbes on Mars as a back up to that.

so it is really more selfish, inspired, quality of life questions we ask.

For most of us sustainability seems like a no-brainer,
but the armageddonists are at the fringe of suicide including dragging others along with them.

Now were back to survival, the most basic of emotions.
Its programmed into all life and is all powerful.
Framing around and going from there is core beliefs which come from somewhere. Sometimes life experience and sometimes indoctrination.
I am just looking for axioms I suppose on truth.
I remember reading in the koran (I think it was) that making another believe they have caused you harm for any selfserving purpose( of course I am papaphasing) is a crime. I though what a great law that is.
I also read that an angry man will lie or a least exaggerate. I believe there is some truth from my experience there.
Maybe I am getting away from percieved sensibility here but accountibility for deception is not any kind of offense.

[disrupter]

figuring out what we are born with, not born with & what might likely be most useful to acquire is probably the never ending task.

Sometimes i think we have to have a looser grasp of things.
Especially delicate ideas.

The very construct of the hand has the capacity to reach around something.
We can wring a rag or grasp an egg, as well as flutter the piano or flick water.
Our minds are [should] not be dissimilar although that is a great simplification.
There are probably capacities our minds [personally & collectively] don't currently have that with exercise & exploration we might [usefully, rewardingly] acquire.

I don't know if creating a 'safe harbor' is enough but it might be, but i am quite sure it is requisite for many things.

Perceptions are our 'connection' to 'reality' including our imaginations.
With experience [memory] our perspective on our perceptions can & almost invariably does change.

I suppose we try to orthogonalize, by giving proportionate meaning/weight/gravitas over some measured spectrum as a means of giving reason, rationality to our thoughts & actions. It is sort of intrinsically spacial, additional dimensionality.
But there is also the pathological side of ourselves when we act emotionally &/or mechanically devoid of measure or tempering. mindless kinetics.

Neither is intrinsically 'right or wrong',
but the beauty of skill is [would be] to do it all optimally, & even playfully at leisure when circumstances permit.

The Universe is sort of naturally orthogonal to our existence, how ever brief they may be.
It is sort of funny, we thrash around like pathological mindless, reflexive animals & it is nearly infinite calm & stability.
I guess our trick is arranging our inter-mutual relations so we work to afford each of us our bits of space, time & resources to pursue some reasonable achievement & happiness.

(i really am reaching a bit here, lol)

Again, given survivability, quality of life is the quantity of measure.
Of course survivability is the first priority, but who & how many is the/a question there.

Should we allow the planet to be choked with humans? Making virtually all of us miserable & ultimately extinct?

A sustainable population based on current technologies seems like some kind of crude guide.

And if someone is pathologically driven for more population ['pro-life'] then it is a natural charge for them to come up with better & alternative technologies that can support them in reasonable quality.

Ultimately we may be able to create sustainable populations/ecosystems in independent space,
but it is hard to imagine how we would do that if we can't even manage this huge, robust, time tested ecosystem in space that is Earth's biosphere.
And i am thinking we better learn how to do it pretty damn quick, or face up to our own extinction.

I really don't believe there is anyone to help us but our own imaginations.
Let the imaginings begin! lol

[Dale escondido]

Survival of the species is important to us because we exist.
All the answers to whether we need to limit population or conserve and exspand really come back to understanding the truth of things.
Because of my personal beliefs I believe we can only survive no matter what we do to this planet.
I think it is very irresponsible to do anything other the best we can and by that I dont mean a convient and easy answer. We have to search for the right answer or we are not worth spit.
Your right about the little things and the time consumed on them.
If those lead to bigger and better issues so be it. The big ideologies cause massive suffering when only half understood. So again back to truth.
boy are we off the sub, maybe bad meat

[disrupter]

See people, this is what happens to your threads when you eat that Mad Cow meat,

you turn into a raving neocon!