BREAKING: Obama is not a US citizen Lawsuit Alleges

[hdmarketing]

The law suite is asking for a temporary restraining order (TRO) prohibiting Obama from running for President until documents are provided proving he is eligible to run for POTUS.

The lawsuit was filed by a Phillip J. Berg (former chair of the PA democratic party) in the Federal Philadelphia courthouse against Barack Obama and the DNC for Obama’s ineligibility to run for President of the United States based on his not being a “natural born” citizen:
The lawsuit contends that Obama has held multiple (Kenya and Indonesia citizenships) and that he was actually born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama has claimed. The lawsuit has also been filed against the DNC.

http://nationalwriterssyndicate.com/content/view/667/2/

[Hog Trash]

If this was true it would be great. Of course there will be rioting in the streets and large sections of cities burned to the ground.

[Cat slave]

If this is really happening I would suspect Hitlary is at the root of it. How
convenient that she and her dissipated old former prez and husband could
afford to be so inclusive and sacrificing of their all for Obama on the stage
of the....what was that.....the remains of a Roman palace???? How noble
they were to put the party first and cast aside any and all the former
nasty remarks made when Hitlarys fate was not yet sealed and she and
Bill thought they could never be denied what was rightfully theirs. But, now,
well, well, who would step up to fill OBs shoes if this is true or amounts
to anything. How very convenient and for who?:D

[Hog Trash]

I wouldn't put anything past the Clinton's, especially Hillary. Their hardcore cut throat politicians.

[asroc]

Ahahahahaha

This is better than Smurf's bigfoot thread.

What's a "law suite"

[Hog Trash]

Uh, excuse me!....Bigfoot was Hogs thread, and don't tell me you didn't enjoy it.

[asroc]

Oh, my mistake.

[Hog Trash]

What's a "law suite"

Pin strips, double breasted, large lapel.

[SeedyROM]

Interesting, birth certificates are hard to fake in HI as they are everywhere. I find it odd this didn't make the news last week. Even if it were true, the Reps would lose to Hillary. No one can repair the damage done by the Bush and the Bushbots!

[Binky]

Rather than Hilary, maybe the repugs had something to do with it. My question is: Why, after all this time, it didn't come to light of day, earlier in the campaign? And why don't they have to show proof of where they were born very early on, rather than taking their word for it? Since a potential candidate has to be born in the U.S., I would've thought that would've been top priority in finding out first before jumping on the bandwagon to get the person elected. Would've saved a lot of time, money and trouble.

Hmmm.....interesting.

[AVG_JOE]

Interesting distraction... anything at all to keep from discussing unfair tax codes, complicated government, the peoples responsibility to educate the next generation, etc.

Good old fashioned "Rove" politics... God, we must look stupid from space...

-Joe

[Moby]

Rather than Hilary, maybe the repugs had something to do with it. My question is: Why, after all this time, it didn't come to light of day, earlier in the campaign?
Actually he did release his birth certificate a long time ago. I think it's the first time a Presidential candidate had to do such a silly thing.

[asroc]

Seems like maybe it would have come up at some point in his Senate runs or against the Clintons.

The press loves scandals.

[PhoneMistress]

Whatever. He's a citizen get over it.

[Cat slave]

It would be more interesting to find out who started it! Haha, typical Hitlary
and Billary all over it. Grasping at straws. They were so sure they could
control everyone and everything. Afterall it was their "right"! LOL....NOT!

[Binky]

Well, I supose we'll find out whether or not it's true, soon enough. And having to show proof of birth isn't a silly thing. That's numero uno when it comes to running for president. All else is secondary. Being a natural born citizen is the key ingredient. I don't know who started it. All I know is that attorney Berg filed the lawsuit in PA. It could be a stall tactic for all I know. And since politicians are crooked as heck, it wouldn't surprise me a bit. But then, nothing does anymore.

[asroc]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Just in case you wanted actual facts.

[PhoneMistress]

Well, I supose we'll fine out whether or not it's true, soon enough. And having to show proof of birth isn't a silly thing. That's numero uno when it comes to running for president. All else is secondary. Being a natural born citizen is the key ingredient.

Agreed. McCain needs to show "proof of birth" too. Certified please.

[Binky]

Agreed. McCain needs to show "proof of birth" too. Certified please.


Absolutely. Stupid me, I took it for granted they had to actually prove that they were born in the US. However, it seems all they had to do was "say they were." Gee, go figure!

[SeedyROM]

ehh McCain was vetted when he joined the military and in 2000.

[hdmarketing]

This was covered a long time ago.

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone ( A US Territory ). His Father was stationed in the Navy and he was born in Gorgas Army Hospital.

The Carter Treaty in 1977 returned the Canal Zone back to the Republic of Panama in the year 2000.

I myself am a "Zonian" (Born in Panama Canal in Gorgas Army Hospital), and on my birth cirtificate Plainly States Under "Citicenship" U.S.

I (and McCain) was born under the "Canal Zone Government" which was of the Panama Canal Company (became the Panama Canal Comission after 1979), created under the United States Government.

The Canal Zone had its own police force (Canal Zone Police), courts, and judges (the United States District Court for the Canal Zone).

In 1953, Congress passed legislation to specify the status of Americans born in the Canal Zone, Title 8, Section 1403 of the United States Code grants citizenship to those born in the Canal Zone with at least one parent who is a United States citizen.

Both of McCain's parrents were Americans.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Binky]

ehh McCain was vetted when he joined the military and in 2000.



Hey Seedy, while I'm thinking of it, what does "vetted" mean? I just haven't gotten around to looking it up as yet.

[SeedyROM]

Hey Seedy, while I'm thinking of it, what does "vetted" mean? I just haven't gotten around to looking it up as yet.

Vetted means..... to be checked out throughly. Intelligence term used to define the evaluation of someone through an intense background check. Vetted also applies to pets, to check them out.

[Binky]

Vetted means..... to be checked out throughly. Intelligence term used to define the evaluation of someone through an intense background check. Vetted also applies to pets, to check them out.


Thanks Seedy, that's what I thought it was.

[Binky]

The law suite is asking for a temporary restraining order (TRO) prohibiting Obama from running for President until documents are provided proving he is eligible to run for POTUS.

The lawsuit was filed by a Phillip J. Berg (former chair of the PA democratic party) in the Federal Philadelphia courthouse against Barack Obama and the DNC for Obama’s ineligibility to run for President of the United States based on his not being a “natural born” citizen:
The lawsuit contends that Obama has held multiple (Kenya and Indonesia citizenships) and that he was actually born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama has claimed. The lawsuit has also been filed against the DNC.

http://nationalwriterssyndicate.com/content/view/667/2/


I spotted something about a law suit three days ago on the net and I thought I had posted it. But then, I can be a putz, so maybe I forgot to do it. That seems to be the new word people keep using.

[Binky]

ehh McCain was vetted when he joined the military and in 2000.


This is true. I had completely forgotten about that. You have to show proof of birth when joining the military.

[bairdi]

This was covered a long time ago.

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone ( A US Territory ). His Father was stationed in the Navy and he was born in Gorgas Army Hospital.

The Carter Treaty in 1977 returned the Canal Zone back to the Republic of Panama in the year 2000.

I myself am a "Zonian" (Born in Panama Canal in Gorgas Army Hospital), and on my birth cirtificate Plainly States Under "Citicenship" U.S.

I (and McCain) was born under the "Canal Zone Government" which was of the Panama Canal Company (became the Panama Canal Comission after 1979), created under the United States Government.

The Canal Zone had its own police force (Canal Zone Police), courts, and judges (the United States District Court for the Canal Zone).

In 1953, Congress passed legislation to specify the status of Americans born in the Canal Zone, Title 8, Section 1403 of the United States Code grants citizenship to those born in the Canal Zone with at least one parent who is a United States citizen.

Both of McCain's parrents were Americans.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
There is also a current lawsuit against McCain challenging that his name not be placed on the California ballot.

Lawsuit over McCain citizenship should be tossed, GOP lawyers say
By Josh Richman
Oakland Tribune
Article Last Updated: 08/29/2008 12:02:22 AM PDT

Lawyers for John McCain and the state and national Republican Party on Thursday asked a federal judge in San Francisco to dismiss a lawsuit challenging the candidate's place on California's Nov. 4 ballot.

Markham Robinson of Vacaville, chairman-elect of California's American Independent Party, sued McCain, the GOP and California Secretary of State Debra Bowen on Aug. 11, arguing the presidential candidate's birth 72 years ago today in the Panama Canal Zone means he's not a "natural-born citizen" — a Constitutional requirement to be president.

But lawyers for the GOP and McCain wrote Thursday that Robinson lacks standing to sue and is asking the courts to tread where the Constitution forbids.

Robinson hasn't shown McCain's candidacy causes him any harm, they said: He's neither a presidential candidate himself nor authorized to sue on behalf of his party or party nominee Alan Keyes, and stripping McCain from the ballot won't much improve the party's or Keyes' chances of winning.

If McCain were tossed, the GOP presumably would put up someone else in his place, they wrote. And even without a Republican in the race, they added, "Ambassador Keyes still would have to defeat Senator Obama in the state's general election."

Keyes ran against Obama for a U.S. Senate seat in Illinois in 2004 after Republicans drafted Keyes as a last-minute replacement for their initial nominee, Jack Ryan, who withdrew amid a sex scandal. Obama won the
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election with 70 percent of the vote to Keyes' 27 percent.

If that race is any guide, the GOP's lawyers dryly noted Thursday, Keyes' probability of beating Obama for president in California "seems, at best, speculative."

Anyhow, they argued, the Constitution says issues of presidential eligibility are to be decided by voters and the Electoral College and not the courts — a matter of separation of powers among the government's branches. And federal courts lack jurisdiction and cause to direct Bowen to exceed her statutory powers by questioning a party nominee's eligibility.

Robinson must file an opposing brief by Sept. 4, and U.S. District Judge William Alsup will consider the case Sept. 11.

The lawyers' brief doesn't discuss McCain's citizenship status. Federal law says anyone born in the Panama Canal Zone after Feb. 26, 1904, as a child of U.S. citizens is declared to be a U.S. citizen himself or herself. Some have questioned, however, whether this makes McCain a "natural-born citizen," a term the Constitution doesn't define any further; the federal law took effect about one year after McCain's birth, and doesn't say the person's citizenship was considered to have been acquired at birth.

McCain supporters have pointed to a 1790 law that provided that children of U.S. citizens born abroad "shall be considered as natural born citizens." Though no longer in effect, that law indicates what the founding fathers were thinking when the Constitution was drafted, those supporters contend.

The American Independents, a conservative party recently plagued by factional infighting, had 331,619 members as of May 19, comprising just over 2 percent of the state's registered voters. But there's anecdotal evidence that some voters join the party by mistake, believing they're registering as nonpartisan or "decline-to-state" voters.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/trivalleyherald/localnews/ci_10328907?source=rss

[PhoneMistress]

The issue is whether McCain is a "natural born citizen". Constitutional lawyers are divided on this and the current election cycle isn't making it any easier. I have always believed that one must be born within the 50 United States. Otherwise a pregnant woman could walk into a US embassy any where in the world and bam! the child is an American citizen AND can arguably run for President. The "natural born citizen" clause was put in for a reason.

[SeedyROM]

The lawsuit is retaliation for the Obama suit claiming Obama's birth certificate is fake. Both suits are bogus nonsense. No jury would deny a man the right to run for president based on such a flimsy arguments. McCain's people would have the upper hand should such a case ever go to trial. Expect the case to be dismissed.

Debating words is so foolish, these unAmerican morons want to pretend they know what the framers of the Constitution had in mind. Well, those men sure as hell didn't think angry liberals would debate thier words as if these angry libs were there. It is has been and always shall be dangerous to loosey interpret the Constitution to suit an agenda. Some consider the Constitution an open document, others make smarter move by refusing to twist the words into whatever the agenda........go figure. A lie is as good as the truth to some morons. Many of the Open Doc crowd could care less about the words in the Constitution, all they want is to take what is not rightfully thiers.

Better to let the candidates have thier day at the polls than to rob either man of his birthright or interpretation thereof!

[bairdi]

The lawsuit is retaliation for the Obama suit claiming Obama's birth certificate is fake. Both suits are bogus nonsense. No jury would deny a man the right to run for president based on such a flimsy arguments. McCain's people would have the upper hand should such a case ever go to trial. Expect the case to be dismissed.

Debating words is so foolish, these unAmerican morons want to pretend they know what the framers of the Constitution had in mind. Well, those men sure as hell didn't think angry liberals would debate thier words as if these angry libs were there. It is has been and always shall be dangerous to loosey interpret the Constitution to suit an agenda. Some consider the Constitution an open document, others make smarter move by refusing to twist the words into whatever the agenda........go figure. A lie is as good as the truth to some morons. Many of the Open Doc crowd could care less about the words in the Constitution, all they want is to take what is not rightfully thiers.

Better to let the candidates have thier day at the polls than to rob either man of his birthright or interpretation thereof!
I agree with you that both lawsuits are bogus but disagree with you about this being in retaliation for the Obama suit. This was filed by the Alan Keyes lunatic fringe of the right and not by anyone who would support Obama.

[SeedyROM]

I agree with you that both lawsuits are bogus but disagree with you about this being in retaliation for the Obama suit. This was filed by the Alan Keyes lunatic fringe of the right and not by anyone who would support Obama.

Obviously Keyes has an axe to grind with McCain. There are some wacky people in Cali who love to spin magical ideas out of thin air and pretend the Constitution applies to whatever they think it should. That's not democracy in action! As for Keyes and Obama ties, I agree there may be nothing there after researching nothing comes up.

It doesn't make sense that a right winger would disrupt the election without an motive. Maybe this story started back when Romney was still in the race. The Obama story started last fall and resurfaced.

[PhoneMistress]

The question of McCain's eligibility started during the 2000 election.