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Bill
08-26-2008, 06:42 PM
"In his famous treatise, "The Wealth of Nations," Adam Smith noted there had never been a "single instance" of sovereign debts having been repaid once "accumulated to a certain degree." We may have reached Smith's threshold."

Interesting WSJ article about what the federal reserve is doing. Supposedly, the writer says, the fed is using it's past reputation for controlling inflation as a cover for starting to impose inflation as a hidden taxation on the people, and as a way to let the white house inflate it's way out of the massive (mostly republican mandated) debt accumulated in the past 28 years.

Washington Is Quietly Repudiating Its DebtsBy GERALD P. O'DRISCOLL JR.
August 22, 2008; Page A15

Will the U.S. Treasury repudiate its obligations to its creditors, be they citizens or investors around the world? Most observers would answer "no" without hesitation. But Congress, with the complicity of the White House and the Fed, has arguably embarked on a stealth repudiation.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121936581501662161.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Yes, we had the Bush tax cuts, but their beneficial, growth-enhancing effects have long since been swamped by an explosion of government spending. As Milton Friedman long ago taught us, government spending is the ultimate tax on the economy: It extracts real resources from productive, private use and puts them to unproductive, public use. And there is the rub.

Not even a President Obama and a Congress controlled by House Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid is going to hike taxes enough to pay for all their spending. Indeed, they have shown themselves quite unwilling to engage in honest budgeting. The best example is saddling Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with $500 million of new (off-budget) obligations to fund cheap housing at a time when the two companies were already on the ropes. Is it any wonder the stock prices of these two companies are imploding?

The markets have long assessed the debt of Fannie and Freddie at AAA because of the Treasury's guarantee, now explicit. But no one has ever seriously assessed the Treasury's creditworthiness with Fannie and Freddie on its books. The public guarantee is entirely open-ended and unbounded. The appetite of the two companies to balloon their balance sheets and take on risk has not been curtailed. Meanwhile, Congress spends apace with new programs for constituents in an election year.

We are at a Smithian moment, in which the temptation for the Fed to spend its last dime of credibility may prove irresistible. Investors are already being taxed by inflation and can rationally expect that tax rate (the inflation rate) to be raised going forward. Wages are not keeping up. Main Street is being taxed to fund Wall Street excess. Anyone who works, saves and invests is exposed to confiscation of his capital and earnings through inflation.

If the Fed maintained its independence of action and said no to the inflationary finance of Congress's profligacy, we wouldn't have reached this point. But the Fed has forsaken that independence amid an absence of leadership.

Perhaps, as rarely happens, Adam Smith will be proven wrong. Let us hope so, because hope appears to be all we have.

Bill
08-26-2008, 07:00 PM
hmmmm... I.O.U.S.A. - a new documentary - mentioned on metafilter.

"This is america - we don't do ANYTHING unlss it's a crisis...".

http://www.agorafinancial.com/iousa.html

Theres a trailer on this page for this new documentary on the national debt.

Hog Trash
08-26-2008, 07:26 PM
hmmmm... I.O.U.S.A. - a new documentary - mentioned on metafilter.

"This is america - we don't do ANYTHING unlss it's a crisis...".

http://www.agorafinancial.com/iousa.html

Theres a trailer on this page for this new documentary on the national debt.
Just curious Bill...Did you read my post, [Representative Dr Ron Paul Say's "Something Big Is Happening"].

It's a short speech he gave in front of Congress a few weeks ago...Interesting. It's posted in it's entirety if the link fails.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/co.../cr070908h.htm

Dale escondido
08-26-2008, 07:32 PM
The way out of the mess will be inflation.
This is not rocket science.
Next year well have to learn what comes after trillion.
Is there some new era economics that I just dont understand?
Can we just keep spending what we dont have with no ramifiocations?
We have GM
Ford
Half of all the banks, needing bailouts after the election.
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Dale escondido
08-26-2008, 07:34 PM
Just curious Bill...Did you read my post, [Representative Dr Ron Paul Say's "Something Big Is Happening"].

It's a short speech he gave in front of Congress a few weeks ago...Interesting. It's posted in it's entirety if the link fails.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/co.../cr070908h.htm

I like this guys lack of tack.
We need more politicians of his caliber.

SeedyROM
08-26-2008, 08:01 PM
Agora has some good articles, been reading them for almost a decade. Those guys are in front of headline stories the financial media miss or selectively ignore. IOUSA would scare the markets too much.

The solution is Helicopter Ben to the rescue, print more money. I bet Benny doesn't consider more money more debt will lead us down the same path as African nations. Who knows maybe the Nigerian dollar will be valuable in comparison some day.

disrupter
08-27-2008, 11:35 PM
Government investment in infrastructure enhances the economy.

Dumping it in the Iraq desert & giving it to criminal blood money looters under the guise of war is the SHORT road to bankruptcy.

Corporations benefit from existing infrastructure while they pay virtually no taxes for them,

Corporations = Parasites

disrupter
08-27-2008, 11:40 PM
The GOP is just working with corporations to suck all the blood from the American economy until it is dead.

the Democrats aren't significantly better.

Dale escondido
08-28-2008, 06:02 AM
The GOP is just working with corporations to suck all the blood from the American economy until it is dead.

the Democrats aren't significantly better.

Yeah and why?
I just dont get the killing the golden goose.
I guess in the global world the survival of anyone nation is a small thing.
Our politicians smile and say they care so much. It makes me want to puke.