I'll Bet You Think You Don't Practice Political Correctness!

[Hog Trash]

Do you want to know if you practice Political Correctness?

The modern civilized world is ruled by Political Correctness but if you would ask anyone if they consider themselves practitioners of PC they will say "no, absolutely not". They will tell you however, that they are sensitive to other peoples feelings but definately not PC. How can language, speech and discussion be so restricted in the world by Political Correctness when no one practices it. Could it be that no one will admit to PC or possibly people are PC without realizing it? Not using racial slurs does not make you politicaly correct, but what does?

[Consider carefuly the different subjects and people you may be having a discussion with.]

Other than with very close friends or family;

1. Are you uncomfortable having a discusion with someone about a problem, unique to an ethnic or religious group?

2. Do you feel comfortable saying something negative about a white person, but not a Minority?

3. Do you feel comfortable saying something negative about a Christian or Jew, but not a Muslim?

4. Do you feel uncomfortable speaking negatively about a gay or lesbian and/or critisize people who do not support gay rights?

5. If you are white do you feel uncomfortable, openly showing pride in your own race?

6. Do you believe a white person who openly shows pride in their race is a racist?

7. Do you make excuses for the bad actions of minorities that you would condemn a white person for?

8. Do you believe people who are strongly anti-Obama are most likely racist?

9. Do you believe political correctness is not necessarily a bad thing?

10. Do you believe I am a racist?
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Of course the more questions you answered yes too, the more PC you are. Were you honest? You're kidding no one but yourself. Political correctness has so badly restricted our free and open discussion we can no longer effectively deal with problems and it is seriously affecting our safety and security. It is actualy the most effective weapon the terrorist have in their arsenal against us.
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The following are some interesting links concerning Political Correctness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/pc.htm
http://pcwatch.blogspot.com/
http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3027/a_politically_correct_lexicon
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/07/25/pc
http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2007/09/the_hidden_impact_of_political.html
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/4/4/121115.shtml
http://members.aol.com/williefank/pc-essay.htm
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/230408/full/452923a.html
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=political%20correctness
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-413775/Now-council-bans-use-political-correctness-work.html

[asroc]

No on everything but 10.

[Moby]

Everyone practices political correctness in some way or another. It's often referred to as tact.

[Hog Trash]

No on everything but 10.I hope you were more honest with yourself than you were on your post. I know you are BIG TIME PC.

[Hog Trash]

Everyone practices political correctness in some way or another. It's often referred to as tact.Well I be dammed SM...We agree on something......Yes, even the Hog has had PC moments but yours are pretty much full time.

[Hog Trash]

I actualy left out the most tell tale sign of PC...

Do you find yourself calling other people facist, racist, xenophobes quite frequently?....If so, you are definately PC.

[asroc]

Wouldn't everybody appear PC to a racist?

[Independent Harry]

Wouldn't everybody appear PC to a racist?

LOL, gotta love that thing called perspective.

[Independent Harry]

I would have to say no on everything but 10 as well.

[Moby]

Where did you copy this list from Sheep Trash?

[Binky]

Everyone practices political correctness in some way or another. It's often referred to as tact.



Well, now, I have to agree with you on this one. And as far as I'm concerned, it's just being tactful and polite not to comment on such and such. There's enough negative chatter in the world, so why create more of it? All it does is tear a country down and rip out part of your soul. If that's being PC, then I guess sometimes I am. Other times, maybe not so much, when I let myself get caught up in the negative bullpucky that seems to float around and hit me in the face. :doh:

And Hoggy, yes, I do think you have a smattering of racist residing within you. But then, I believe most of us do even if only a teeny bit. We just don't want to admit it. And it isn't just racism from whites either. There's a lot of reverse racism as well. Whichever it may be, it's all U-G-L-Y!

[Hog Trash]

Well, now, I have to agree with you on this one. And as far as I'm concerned, it's just being tactful and polite not to comment on such and such. There's enough negative chatter in the world, so why create more of it? All it does is tear a country down and rip out part of your soul. If that's being PC, then I guess sometimes I am. Other times, maybe not so much, when I let myself get caught up in the negative bullpucky that seems to float around and hit me in the face. :doh:

And Hoggy, yes, I do think you have a smattering of racist residing within you. But then, I believe most of us do even if only a teeny bit. We just don't want to admit it. And it isn't just racism from whites either. There's a lot of reverse racism as well. Whichever it may be, it's all U-G-L-Y!
I have admitted on several occasions to having some prejudices and as you said, I to believe everyone does to some extent but I do not view myself as a racsist. I have also stated that I have seen more racism in minorities than whites but whites are held to a higher standard.

[Hog Trash]

Wouldn't everybody appear PC to a racist?
Wouldn't everybody appear racist to someone PC?

Where did you copy this list from Sheep Trash?
I thunk it up myself......Pretty amazing, huh?

Do you think I'll ever be as smart as you SM?

[Binky]

I have admitted on several occasions to having some prejudices and as you said, I to believe everyone does to some extent but I do not view myself as a racsist. I have also stated that I have seen more racism in minorities than whites but whites are held to a higher standard.


We're definitely held to a higher standard.

[Independent Harry]

I have admitted on several occasions to having some prejudices and as you said, I to believe everyone does to some extent but I do not view myself as a racsist. I have also stated that I have seen more racism in minorities than whites but whites are held to a higher standard.

What's wrong with being held to a higher standard. It's not fair? Well shit, life isn't fair. Get over it.

That's like saying, well everyone should start out with 5k dollars and the same education. Life is a series of inequalities. You sound like a socialist now...

[disrupter]

Do you tell little white lies or 'shade' the truth,
to your mother, father, children, spouse, lover?

We are inherently sociopathic.

The point is to try to minimize it.

'Support the Troops' is a Politically Correct
thing to say,
almost no one will DARE to challenge it.

Which side of that one do you slither on,
Hog Trash?

[Hog Trash]

What's wrong with being held to a higher standard. It's not fair? Well shit, life isn't fair. Get over it.

That's like saying, well everyone should start out with 5k dollars and the same education. Life is a series of inequalities. You sound like a socialist now...What led you to believe I was complaining. Being held to a higher standard is just another sign of political correctness of which your post is filled with Mr Independent Harry. If you were listening to a minority complaining about how unfair life is, of which they do a lot of, you would be sympathizing with them instead of telling them to get over it. That too is a sign of your political correctness. You live in denial of the obvious. And as far as me being a socialist, I will never join you, Obama and the rest of the liberals. I love freedom far too much to trade it in for Obama's promise of a cradle to grave, nanny government.

[Independent Harry]

What led you to believe I was complaining. Being held to a higher standard is just another sign of political correctness of which your post is filled with Mr Independent Harry. If you were listening to a minority complaining about how unfair life is, of which they do a lot of, you would be sympathizing with them instead of telling them to get over it. That too is a sign of your political correctness. You live in denial of the obvious. And as far as me being a socialist, I will never join you, Obama and the rest of the liberals. I love freedom far too much to trade it in for Obama's promise of a cradle to grave, nanny government.

Again, you infer things that dn't exist in my post. I tell everyone to get the fuck over it. Not just white people.

But you don't want freedom, you want something else. YOu want McCain, who is PNAC. And they want socialism, corporate socialism. They want the rich to suck the life out of the middle class and poor, and people be damned. They are just the fodder for the cannon.

You call everyone politically correct on this board. People who never have been politically correct. And no someone who is politically correct don't see everyone as a racist, but racists sure see everyone as politically correct...

[Hog Trash]

Again, you infer things that dn't exist in my post. I tell everyone to get the fuck over it. Not just white people.

But you don't want freedom, you want something else. YOu want McCain, who is PNAC. And they want socialism, corporate socialism. They want the rich to suck the life out of the middle class and poor, and people be damned. They are just the fodder for the cannon.

You call everyone politically correct on this board. People who never have been politically correct. And no someone who is politically correct don't see everyone as a racist, but racists sure see everyone as politically correct...Don't be so gullible Harry......The Democrats are just as sold out to the corporations as the Republicans.

He wouldn't be the Democrat candidate for president if he, like McCain wasn't already in their pocket, einstein.

[asroc]

Wouldn't everybody appear racist to someone PC?

Well, no. A few select crazy people on the internet are the only people around, in my life, that I would suggest are racist.

So, then, am I no longer PC by this logic?

[Mr, gone]

Binky,

Instead of "this or that", a "this that and the other" will conceal more details. I personally don't give a shit about being PC - it's whether one's actions produce a positive result to mankind that matters.

And yes, I would prefer an individual who is more agile with his verbal deductive reasoning skills as a precursor.

Unlike Bush or McBush who actually seem surprised when they by chance stumble upon a complete, proper and coherent sentence.

[Hog Trash]

Well, no. A few select crazy people on the internet are the only people around, in my life, that I would suggest are racist.

So, then, am I no longer PC by this logic?I'm going to try not to be insulting while discussing this thread topic. I feel political correctness has become a serious problem in America and needs to be discussed rationally and sensibly.

Asroc, I don't know you and suppose you may not be PC. You judge me to be a racist, I believe, simply because I do not practice PC and I assumed for that reason you must be PC. It's easy to read quickly through the questions I presented and answer "no", and actualy assume you were being honest. But try to actualy consider a tough and uncomfortable subject and discussing it with someone you absolutely did not want to possibly give the wrong impression to, that you were afraid might misjudge you as a racist. Something I think you might agree is very common these days.

If we can all be very honest here, and check the insults at the door, we may make some progress on this problem of political correctness.

[Moby]

I thunk it up myself......Pretty amazing, huh?
So you're basing this entire "Quiz" on your own biased opinions? You've openly admitted to being prejudice, afraid and think issues should be sensationalized.
Of course the more questions you answered yes too, the more PC you are.
Based on your own biased opinion of course.

[Moby]

Do you think I'll ever be as smart as you SM?
You may be smarter then I am for all I know. You've just been programmed to act emotionally instead of rationally with an open mind. You've been open about being prejudice, afraid and believing in sensationalism over open minded thought.

[asroc]

I'm going to try not to be insulting while discussing this thread topic. I feel political correctness has become a serious problem in America and needs to be discussed rationally and sensibly.

Asroc, I don't know you and suppose you may not be PC. You judge me to be a racist, I believe, simply because I do not practice PC and I assumed for that reason you must be PC. It's easy to read quickly through the questions I presented and answer "no", and actualy assume you were being honest. But try to actualy consider a tough and uncomfortable subject and discussing it with someone you absolutely did not want to possibly give the wrong impression to, that you were afraid might misjudge you as a racist. Something I think you might agree is very common these days.

If we can all be very honest here, and check the insults at the door, we may make some progress on this problem of political correctness.

It's not a tough subject for me, it's laughable.

The idea that you're not trying to be insulting when your very premise is basically "people who don't think like I do are politically correct", is laughable.

It's also not a pandemic. You seem to think people going out of their way to understand each others' problems instead of condemning one another for them is some sort "real american problem".

It's the least of our problems.

[Independent Harry]

Don't be so gullible Harry......The Democrats are just as sold out to the corporations as the Republicans.

He wouldn't be the Democrat candidate for president if he, like McCain wasn't already in their pocket, einstein.

Its funny, but the democrats may be in the corporate pockets, yet for the last 40 years. the countries best economic times for the middle and lower class have been under a democratic president. So I'll go with history on that one.

[Independent Harry]

Heres on of my all time favorite Hog Trash quotes:

"I think possibly in the future, racism towards whites could become a major problem, resulting in whites relocating in large numbers to several of the sparsely populated, colder climate states like Montana, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado and maybe pockets in Northern Michigan, Vermont and Main.

The inginuity of the white race would of course create Utopias in these places, but being minorities, not only in America but the world, jealousy would eventualy bring them under fire once again. Their intelect along with abandoning political correctness will be their only hope of survival.

The white race is such a wonderful people. Charitable, compassionate and intelligent. The medical procedures, vaccines and medicines along with all the other technologies they have given the world has improved the quality of life for most of the inhabitants of our small beautiful planet.

If whites survive long enough, they may well be the first to leave Earth to populate some far away world and leave the hatred and bigotry behind and the Earth will be a dark and savage place without them. But the Universe will be a much better place...Is racial pride only proper for minorities???"

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=5648

No, no, hog trash, your not racist at all...

[Hog Trash]

You may be smarter then I am for all I know. You've just been programmed to act emotionally instead of rationally with an open mind. You've been open about being prejudice, afraid and believing in sensationalism over open minded thought.I am smart enough to know, that I have much to learn.

My mind is wide open to all possibilities but I require more than a pretty face, friendly smile and a smooth line to convince me.

I will not buy a car from a stranger without test driving it, regardless of how good the sales pitch is.

Concerning presidential candidates, you test drive them by studying their history, deeds and associations, not on their word.

The only thing they will tell you is how wonderful they are and all the wonderful things they're going to do for you..."Sales Pitch".

[Hog Trash]

Heres on of my all time favorite Hog Trash quotes:

"I think possibly in the future, racism towards whites could become a major problem, resulting in whites relocating in large numbers to several of the sparsely populated, colder climate states like Montana, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado and maybe pockets in Northern Michigan, Vermont and Main.

The inginuity of the white race would of course create Utopias in these places, but being minorities, not only in America but the world, jealousy would eventualy bring them under fire once again. Their intelect along with abandoning political correctness will be their only hope of survival.

The white race is such a wonderful people. Charitable, compassionate and intelligent. The medical procedures, vaccines and medicines along with all the other technologies they have given the world has improved the quality of life for most of the inhabitants of our small beautiful planet.

If whites survive long enough, they may well be the first to leave Earth to populate some far away world and leave the hatred and bigotry behind and the Earth will be a dark and savage place without them. But the Universe will be a much better place...Is racial pride only proper for minorities???"

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=5648

No, no, hog trash, your not racist at all...Does all of this indicate I am a racist or is their some part of it that does?

Exactly where and how in my statement, do you see a racist?

Does this seem like something a sensable person would say?...I will explain.

[Independent Harry]

Does all of this indicate I am a racist or is their some part of it that does?

Exactly where and how in my statement, do you see a racist?

Does this seem like something a sensable person would say?...I will explain.

We'll wait for others to comment on that one Hog...

[Hog Trash]

We'll wait for others to comment on that one Hog...I'm trying to make a point... Why won't you answer?

[asroc]

Well, HT, you're pretty much saying that everybody but white people are responsible for all the hatred and strife in the world, and conflict can only be shed when white people leave the surly bounds of Earth and form their own perfect aryan space colonies.

When you think about it, it ends up being one of the most racist things ever said on this forum.

That you're so completely oblivious to your own xenophobia is quite striking, but unfortunately par for the course on this forum.

[Binky]

Does all of this indicate I am a racist or is their some part of it that does?

Exactly where and how in my statement, do you see a racist?

Does this seem like something a sensable person would say?...I will explain.


I'm sorry Hog, but you've set yourself up for a slamming again. Do you actually believe that all whites are "wonderful, compassionate and intelligent" people? Come on now, Hog, you know better than that. Compassion comes from within. Jack the Ripper, was white. Did he show compassion to the many women he slaughtered in London many, many decades ago? We all know for a fact that not every person in a particular race are wonderful and compassionate. Many are blood thirsty and evil.

And all this talk of white this or black that is demeaning to our country. We are seeing first hand what a division of the people can do to a country. We are much better than that. We all need to pull together rather than rip apart.

[Moby]

I'll Bet You Think You Don't Practice Political Correctness!
So what's the consensous?

1. Did he make a good bet showing that the majority of people don't think they practice political correctness?
2. Did Sheep Trash make a bad bet showing that he's clueless?

[Independent Harry]

So what's the consensous?

1. Did he make a good bet showing that the majority of people don't think they practice political correctness?
2. Did Sheep Trash make a bad bet showing that he's clueless?

Read my favorite hog trash quote on the page before moby. Pretty easy to tell from that alone.

[Moby]

Read my favorite hog trash quote on the page before moby. Pretty easy to tell from that alone.
My favorite quote of his was

intelligence is the first line of defense.

I found it odd coming from him of all people.

[asroc]

Their intelect along with abandoning political correctness will be their only hope of survival.
























































http://www.erichufschmid.net/Dumb-down/super-retard.JPG

[Independent Harry]

My favorite quote of his was



I found it odd coming from him of all people.

maybe he just needs to revamp his defensive tactics :)

[Hog Trash]

QUOTE=Independent Harry]Heres on of my all time favorite Hog Trash quotes:
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I think possibly in the future, racism towards whites could become a major problem, resulting in whites relocating in large numbers to several of the sparsely populated, colder climate states like Montana, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado and maybe pockets in Northern Michigan, Vermont and Main.

The inginuity of the white race would of course create Utopias in these places, but being minorities, not only in America but the world, jealousy would eventualy bring them under fire once again. Their intelect along with abandoning political correctness will be their only hope of survival.

The white race is such a wonderful people. Charitable, compassionate and intelligent. The medical procedures, vaccines and medicines along with all the other technologies they have given the world has improved the quality of life for most of the inhabitants of our small beautiful planet.

If whites survive long enough, they may well be the first to leave Earth to populate some far away world and leave the hatred and bigotry behind and the Earth will be a dark and savage place without them. But the Universe will be a much better place...Is racial pride only proper for minorities???

Hog Trash 08-17-2008 09:47 PM http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=5648
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No, no, hog trash, your not racist at all...

What must I have been thinking?...I was hoping nobody would notice what a bigot I am...But you guys are to much on the ball to fool for long, Harry.

Well, HT, you're pretty much saying that everybody but white people are responsible for all the hatred and strife in the world, and conflict can only be shed when white people leave the surly bounds of Earth and form their own perfect aryan space colonies.

When you think about it, it ends up being one of the most racist things ever said on this forum.

That you're so completely oblivious to your own xenophobia is quite striking, but unfortunately par for the course on this forum.
I must appear so silly talking about flying all the beautiful White people off in spaceships to create some magnificant Aryan Utopia on another planet.

And all those good things I said about the White Race must of realy given my racism away. You are certainly on the ball, asroc. I seriously underestimated you.


The only people who would see racism in my posts are the politicaly correct liberals....Really.

If you want to go fishing for liberals ,the best bait is to say something good about white people or christians. Liberals can't stand it and you will get a bite every time.

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=5648 post 48

The above post was taken from the same thread......Doesn't anybody here fish?.....Is anybody having a moment of clarity and revelation?
Can we now stop playing "one up" and "gotcha"?......Can we now talk about the serious problem of "political correctness"?

So what's the consensous?

1. Did he make a good bet showing that the majority of people don't think they practice political correctness?
2. Did Sheep Trash make a bad bet showing that he's clueless?
1. Yes, I made an excelent "bet".

2. Quite the opposite, SM.

[asroc]

So again, it's everybody else that has the problem. Not HT.

[Hog Trash]

So again, it's everybody else that has the problem. Not HT.
Clarity?...Revelation?...You don't get it, do ya asroc?!

[SeedyROM]

PC can be overrated at times.

Why do the Blues and Reds find it hard to talk about thier own parties faults, failures and questionable politicians??? I criticize both parties and rarely back down because its the screwups and sellouts and morons that created so many problems for our country and nobody wants to address those screwups whether it be present day events or even past ones. Talk about PC up the ass.

Criticisize Bush that's PC, but critisize McCain's politics or his past or Obama and thier supporters attack and vaguely address the issues. I've seen that a lot on this site.

If Dems/Reps could address thier parties problems and faults and openly critique them. Maybe we could get better results in DC, maybe the country would be better off? Instead its the 3 Monkies routine all around the country. PC does go to far, I said it in another post. PC can be a control mechanism used to corner the debate or arguement without actually debating anything significant. This happens in DC all the time. Why deal with an issue in DC when the other party can go off on a tangent and drag in other issues into a problem. Oil speculatortion is a prime example, instead of voting to enhance legislation, the Reps added an offshore/ANWAR Ryder and the Dems walked away. I wonder if Obama offended Dems by taking a stand and agreeing that limited offshore drilling is a good idea? That's politics and its not PC to us but it is PC to them. And who ctiticises their own party, better to be an independant than afraid to take a stand.

[Binky]

Hey guys! Lighten up a bit. Kiss and makeup, will ya? Let's have great discussions, rather than slamming each other.

I'm heading out of here. You boys are just to rough and hateful for me. :banghead:

[Hog Trash]

PC can be overrated at times.

My intention with this thread was to discuss real problems brought on or made worse by "Political Correctness".

Racial profiling, national security, absent fathers and many other things we can't fix, simply because we can't even discuss them.

There are accusations of racism, just for wanting to discuss political correctness.

PC has become a roadblock to problem solving and people are afraid to act.

People here are afraid to discuss it sensibly, even anonymously...How bad is that?

[asroc]

Hog Trash, how about you propose some solutions to these problems in this thread.

This will be great.

[Hog Trash]

Hog Trash, how about you propose some solutions to these problems in this thread.

This will be great.
OK, how about we start by allowing racial profiling. In airports, remain diligent and be aware of everyone but focus on people who appear to be of middle eastern descent.

We could make travel safer and maybe speed up airport delays, at least a little.

[asroc]

I think we pretty much already do that.

Anyway, most people are actually for it:

According to a Gallup poll conducted shortly after 9/11, 71 percent of blacks, and 57 percent of whites, supported racial profiling of Arabs and South Asians at airport security checkpoints.[3]Another poll conducted in 2002 by the survey group Public Agenda found that in the post-9/11 world the public rejected some forms of racial profiling more strongly than others. The survey found 52 percent said there was "no excuse" for profiling of blacks, but two-thirds said profiling of Arabs and South Asians was "understandable, but you wish it didn't happen."[2] Even so, the survey found most people were uncomfortable with blatant profiling of Arabs or South Asian airline passengers.[3]

http://www.publicagenda.org/issues/red_flags.cfm?issue_type=race#profiling
http://www.publicagenda.org/specials/constitution/constitution4.htm

I think the idea of racial profiling is overly simplistic if not used in tandem with passport profiling and behavioral profiling as well. But overall, of course it's a rational reaction.

[Hog Trash]

I think we pretty much already do that.

Anyway, most people are actually for it:



http://www.publicagenda.org/issues/red_flags.cfm?issue_type=race#profiling
http://www.publicagenda.org/specials/constitution/constitution4.htm

I think the idea of racial profiling is overly simplistic if not used in tandem with passport profiling and behavioral profiling as well. But overall, of course it's a rational reaction.
I disagree...I don't believe we "pretty much already do that". At least not openly enough to be as fully effective as we could be. Fear of the dreaded ACLU and PC activist, not to mention politicians who will play the "Muslim victim" card to pander votes. And yes, accusations of racism would abound.

[asroc]

Well, you're wrong. We use racial profiling:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/racial_profiling/report/airport.html

[Hog Trash]

Well, you're wrong. We use racial profiling:

http://www.amnestyusa.org/racial_profiling/report/airport.html
I remember these incidents from the news. These cases are several years old and if it was wide spread there would be more recent examples of complaints for racial profiling. It's just not taking place. I do believe most Americans are for RP. Amnesty Int is an org that would protest RP, along with others and they have influence even though they represent a very small percentage of Americans. Something has to happen that places the safety of the masses above the complaints of the people who seem to always work against the welfare of the nation as a hole but does not affect our "Republic" status.

[SeedyROM]

OK, how about we start by allowing racial profiling. In airports, remain diligent and be aware of everyone but focus on people who appear to be of middle eastern descent.

We could make travel safer and maybe speed up airport delays, at least a little.

Hog in my opinion the TSA and FBI widened the profiling to include all races to lessen the complaints of racial profiling. Lawyers will have a harder time claiming thier client was profiled. I support all efforts to detain and question anyone in an airport, anywhere. The delays are like 90 to 120 minutes, plan ahead, no problemo. Profiling will continue.

The threat is not just M.E. people, domestic terrorists are a concern. Al Queda operatives in the USA may still be here, God knows I continue to hear about recruiting efforts. We have a lot of subversive groups too. Profiling everyone may help them weed out problems before they board and it makes it harder for the bad guys to slip thru.

[Hog Trash]

Hog in my opinion the TSA and FBI widened the profiling to include all races to lessen the complaints of racial profiling. Lawyers will have a harder time claiming thier client was profiled. I support all efforts to detain and question anyone in an airport, anywhere. The delays are like 90 to 120 minutes, plan ahead, no problemo. Profiling will continue.

The threat is not just M.E. people, domestic terrorists are a concern. Al Queda operatives in the USA may still be here, God knows I continue to hear about recruiting efforts. We have a lot of subversive groups too. Profiling everyone may help them weed out problems before they board and it makes it harder for the bad guys to slip thru.
"Profiling everyone" is blanket, not profiling...You're starting to talk like a politician, Seedy......You've been watching to much of the Denver DemCon?

Everybody is a potential threat and always has been, but we must concentrate on the threat at hand while staying alert to all possibilities.

Racial profiling is the most effective tool in the war on M.E. terrorism.

We should even possibly consider some restrictions on M.E. travel and immigration to the US untill this problem is resolved.

[Independent Harry]

"Profiling everyone" is blanket, not profiling...You're starting to talk like a politician, Seedy......You've been watching to much of the Denver DemCon?

Everybody is a potential threat and always has been, but we must concentrate on the threat at hand while staying alert to all possibilities.

Racial profiling is the most effective tool in the war on M.E. terrorism.

We should even possibly consider some restrictions on M.E. travel and immigration to the US untill this problem is resolved.

You're an idiot the terrorists aren't emigrating here with visas, they are walkin across the mexican border and canadian border with fake papers in hadn

[Hog Trash]

You're an idiot the terrorists aren't emigrating here with visas, they are walkin across the mexican border and canadian border with fake papers in hadnDo you honestly believe that there are no legal immigrants in America who are terrorist or who support terrorist?...Honestly Harry?

[SeedyROM]

"Profiling everyone" is blanket, not profiling...You're starting to talk like a politician, Seedy......You've been watching to much of the Denver DemCon?

Everybody is a potential threat and always has been, but we must concentrate on the threat at hand while staying alert to all possibilities.

Racial profiling is the most effective tool in the war on M.E. terrorism.

We should even possibly consider some restrictions on M.E. travel and immigration to the US untill this problem is resolved.

No not at all. Blanket profiling is what they do in other countries. Everyone is a threat until they have been observed and accessed. Visual observation of all airport visitors teaches TSA employees to hone thier skills and to be observant of all patrons passing thru. Better to scrutinize all than just ME citizens. IF TSA employees are lazy and relaxed, perps might walk right thru and board a plane? Read about the new TSA program. Also, if the program reduce lawsuits and the payouts then I'm all for it.

Tharin Gartrell is a prime example of the need to profile all.
http://www.mahalo.com/Tharin_Gartrell
Did he drive from NV to Denver or fly? Look at his face in the picture, this man has an angry face. Is he the angry type or is he taking allergy meds or is it something else? Its the something else and that face that are a concern. Actor Jack Nicholson has an angry face, but he's a cool dude and a ladies man. But he did swing a golf club at a car once. But is he a threat, no. A good comparison to what TSA and the FBI have to deal with. Profiling will catch convicts on the run too.

[SeedyROM]

There are legal immigrants here who came with bad intentions, some will recruit, others will plan, the rest are the deciples of the next attack. They busted a few at Georgia Tech. There are legal immigrants at Gitmo. Lets not forget about shipping containers coming into ports. We need to Xray all containers, China Xrays every container. The USA inspects very very few containers because of the corporate whiners and weak politicians, especially that mouth named Pelosi!!!

[Hog Trash]

No not at all. Blanket profiling is what they do in other countries. Everyone is a threat until they have been observed and accessed. Visual observation of all airport visitors teaches TSA employees to hone thier skills and to be observant of all patrons passing thru. Better to scrutinize all than just ME citizens.
Reread my post Seedy. We are pretty much agreeing here. I'm only suggesting we should be able to openly and without fear, pay a little extra attention to M.E.'ers and muslims.

[Hog Trash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quch7x3R6gw

I'm sure everybody knows this story but it's another example of how bad things have gotten concerning Political Correctness and how difficult it makes discussing real and serious problems.

At the NAACP Convetion in Cincinnati Ohio on Fathers Day, Barrack Obama made a very simple statement about absentee fathers in the black family and Jesse Jackson accussed Obama of "talking down to black people" and wanted to cut his nuts off. How do black Americans ever expect to solve their problems if they make it taboo to even discuss them?

Political Correctness is a Roadblock to problem solving...It must stop.

The people it hurts the worse are the people it was intended to protect.

If you are really concerned about the welfare of minorities, ban PC now and forever.

If you just want to continue pretending you are concerned, keep practicing and supporting PC.

[SeedyROM]

Reread my post Seedy. We are pretty much agreeing here. I'm only suggesting we should be able to openly and without fear, pay a little extra attention to M.E.'ers and muslims.

I read it, I'm confident they eye ball the right crowd. We can't allow the airlines and whiners to weaken the restrictions to speed people thru faster. That's what the terrorists want too.

[Hog Trash]

I read it, I'm confident they eye ball the right crowd. We can't allow the airlines and whiners to weaken the restrictions to speed people thru faster. That's what the terrorists want too.
So is it your consensus that PC plays no part in security and safety in America?

[SeedyROM]

So is it your consensus that PC plays no part in security and safety in America?

I say let the TSA and FBI handle it, let the complaints be noted and everyone move on. PC plays a small part, very small. We should recognize that people are going to be offended by security checks. But do we owe them a check for the so called pain and suffering. No! A simple sorry for the inconvenience that's enough PC.

[SeedyROM]

Why do the Blues and Reds find it hard to talk about thier own parties faults, failures and questionable politicians? Both parties have them. Both parties have strengths and weaknesses. The opposition talks about the other sides weaknesses. Why can't Reps talk about thier own party weaknesses and candidate weaknesses ? Dems too?

[Hog Trash]

Why do the Blues and Reds find it hard to talk about thier own parties faults, failures and questionable politicians? Both parties have them. Both parties have strengths and weaknesses. The opposition talks about the other sides weaknesses. Why can't Reps talk about thier own party weaknesses and candidate weaknesses ? Dems too?
I'm sure you know the answer to this so you must be baiting us, seedy......OK, I'll bite

Because the Democrats and Republicans are more loyal to their respective Parties than to America and it's citizens.

[SeedyROM]

I'm sure you know the answer to this so you must be baiting us, seedy......OK, I'll bite

Because the Democrats and Republicans are more loyal to their respective Parties than to America and it's citizens.

Bingo!!! Its all about the party and its supporters. Even Dems agree with Reagan's Trickle Down theory.

Talking about the weaknesses is politically incorrect. Anyone on this site could look inward, open up to discuss thier candidate's weaknesses. Dicussing weaknesses does not take away from the desire to vote for the candidate. Learning and discussing weaknesses can be education and highly rewarding provided we all keep it clean and stick to politcal policy and party agendas for the candidate. Everyone knows each candidate has weaknesses, so why not embrace them? Doing so is not going to change anyones mind, so it must be politically incorrect to discuss them.

Maybe its time to start a McCain/Obama thread? Or two separate ones.