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bairdi
07-25-2008, 10:28 AM
As I watch my 401k dissolve like a sugar cube in a rainstorm, I've often wondered where the stock market would be if it did not have the millions of dollars of 401k coming in each week. Keep pushing the conservative agenda folks! Talk about mindless sheep.


How Wall Street Wrecked Your Retirement
By Nicholas von Hoffman, The Nation
Posted on July 25, 2008, Printed on July 25, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/92658/

Our disfunctional financial system hit a new low last week when Citigroup, the hopeless wreck of Wall Street, announced it had lost $2.5 billion in the past three months -- a cheer went up, and so did the Dow. Only $2.5 billion; people were afraid the losses would be much higher. Happy days are here again.

There are no happy days for the millions of Americans who have been trying to put away some money for their retirement in tax-sheltered entities like IRAs, Roth Accounts and 401(k)s. For them, the market's downward slope has been harrowing and frightening. When will the steady erosion of their savings end? And when it does, what will be left of their future financial security?

Many of the millions suffering through these worrisome months didn't buy a house they could not afford, didn't speculate on their homes, didn't let greedy impulses lead them to the edge of foreclosure or bankruptcy. Nevertheless, the excesses of their neighbors and the criminal folly of American finance is destroying their plans for retirement. It is dragging down much of the value of their homes, on which they have never missed a payment, homes on which they were counting on selling at retirement to help finance their last years in comfort.

For years, the privatization propagandists have been telling people that when the time comes, Social Security will not be there for them. Now many are learning that it's their private savings that may not be there. They are discovering they have been forced into a system in which other people have, in effect, been allowed to gamble with their retirement savings and have lost it.

The way the private, you're-on-your-own retirement system was supposed to work had individuals, during their younger, working years, investing in stock through tax-sheltered accounts. Almost nobody who is not breaking the law can choose among individual stocks and make money, so future retirees have been encouraged to buy mutual funds run by professional managers, who are supposed to be able to pick the winners.

Most of them aren't much better at doing that than are their customers, but in a rising market, a chicken pecking at stock tables can pick winners. In boom times, it doesn't matter that the future retiree must choose among thousands of mutual funds, many of which carry ruinously high fees. The damage to people's savings goes unnoticed until the market begins to go down.

Even as the market falls, future retirees are told not to panic, to keep their money where it is, because in the long run the value of their accounts will go up and they will have many a happy sunset year traveling the globe and showering their grandchildren with presents.

As the retirement date comes near, they are advised to begin selling stocks and buying fixed-income securities -- as bonds are sometimes called -- because these pay the interest they earn on a fixed schedule, providing a regular income.

For this to work, stock prices must be high when the holdings are sold and the bonds purchased must pay high rates of interest. But what happens when the stock market is in a nosedive and interest rates are half of the inflation rate, as is the case right now? Panic and worry, no golden years of travel, no presents for the grandchildren. The energy that was to be expended on leisure activities is spent instead trying to figure out how to make ends meet.

The bright spot is Social Security. That check does come with the regularity of the calendar, whether the market is up or down, whether interest rates be high or low and if, as is the case now, the Greenspan-Bush inflation is destroying family budgets. Social Security adjusts for the rising prices.

But Social Security is too narrow a ledge to stand on through the years between retirement and death. It was designed as the base on which other retirement savings were to be built.

Those savings -- the house and the tax-sheltered retirement accounts -- are shriveling up and blowing away. The persons for whom Americans' savings have been a reliable source of income are the brokers, the lawyers, the account administrators, the whole tribe of Wall Street fee farmers. They get other people's retirement money regardless of the direction the market may be moving in.

You can't call it a broken system because it was a bad one from the start. It is failing, just as its critics said it would. And what lies ahead for those whose retirement savings are gone may be a very unpleasant old age.

Nicholas von Hoffman is the author of A Devil's Dictionary of Business, now in paperback. He is a Pulitzer Prize losing author of thirteen books, including Citizen Cohn, and a columnist for the New York Observer.

bairdi
07-25-2008, 02:24 PM
...bump...

Independent Harry
07-25-2008, 04:38 PM
youre into bumping today huh bairdi, good post. It's true, almost considering not investing into a 401k at my new job.

bairdi
07-25-2008, 05:32 PM
youre into bumping today huh bairdi, good post. It's true, almost considering not investing into a 401k at my new job.
That idiot wrongway pissed me off a bit, so I bumped his drivel down to the bottom of the board.

I have had several changes in my life over the past six months and most of my plans for the future have gone up in smoke. I cannot tell you how sick in the stomach I get watching that stock market tank.

They say that you will make some money over the long run with a 401k, but I haven't seen anything near the 8% return they say you will average over time. Even though the market is tanking right now, it might be a real good time for you to go ahead with your 401k. Hopefully, the market will recover and you can get in while prices are down. I don't know your circumstances, but I believe right now is also a good time to invest in real estate if you have the money available and can sit on it for a while.

Dale escondido
07-25-2008, 08:04 PM
The whole principal of the stock market is inherently flawed.
Stocks really just become sources of revenue for business in the beginning.
Why would a raving sucessful business want to sell of shares of itself?
For capital to exspan.? Maybe.
But once a business begins to measure its worth by its stock value, you find decision making based on making investors happy above long term benefit to the company.
First thing a company moving from non existance to affluence should do is pay off debt. But decisions are blurred by the need to pay dividends. To constantly grow and expand at the same time.
We are in for some hard economic times for a couple of years and what business needs to survive is cash. This should have been done along time ago and as you watch your cash starved companies eat you 401s remember companies have to be ran for the benefits and future of itself not just investors.