One World United - under Obama

[Smurf-Herder]

This guy gets scarier every day. This man cannot be allowed to be elected President. He's a repressed Megalomaniac in sheeps clothing.

Obama promises to 'remake the world'

Addressing more than 200,000 elated Europeans massed in Berlin at twilight, presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama promised Thursday that he would work to unite Christians, Muslims and Jews in a safer, more united world.

His 27-minute speech at the gold-topped Victory Column was interrupted by applause at least 30 times, with occasional audience chants of “O-ba-MA!”

Billed as a speech about Transatlantic relations, it turned out to be a manifesto for the planet, with an appeal to “the burdens of global citizenship.”

Local authorities said the crowd was more than 200,000 — triple Obama's previous record of 70,000 in Portland, Ore.

Reaching out to skeptics back home, he heralded “the dream of freedom” and declared firmly: “I love America.”

“People of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment. This is our time,” he declared, offering himself “not as a candidate for president, but as a citizen, a proud citizen of the United States and a fellow citizen of the world.”

Obama’s speech, the centerpiece of his presidential-style sweep of the Middle East and Europe, set a global agenda as expansive and audacious as any contemplated by a candidate for United States president.

“In Europe, the view that America is part of what has gone wrong in our world, rather than a force to help us make it right, has become all too common,” he said. “Yes, there have been differences between America and Europe.

“No doubt, there will be differences in the future. But the burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together,” Obama continued. “A change of leadership in Washington will not lift this burden. In this new century, Americans and Europeans alike will be required to do more, not less.”

Invoking the fall of the Berlin Wall after the historic call by President Ronald Reagan at the nearby Brandenburg Gate, Obama declared that the greatest danger now “is to allow new walls to divide us from one another.”

“The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand,” he said. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christians and Muslims and Jews cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.”

In perhaps the most striking passage, Obama asserted: “I know my country has not perfected itself.”

“But I also know how much I love America,” he said. “We are a people of improbable hope. With an eye towards the future, with resolve in our heart, let us remember this history, and answer our destiny, and remake the world once again.”

Obama’s sweeping vision also includes:

— "This is the moment when we must renew the goal of a world without nuclear weapons."

— "This is the moment we must help answer the call for a new dawn in the Middle East."

— "America has no better partner than Europe. Now is the time to build new bridges across the globe as strong as the one that bound us across the Atlantic. Now is the time to join together, through constant cooperation, strong institutions, shared sacrifice, and a global commitment to progress, to meet the challenges of the 21st century.”

— “My country must stand with yours and with Europe in sending a direct message to Iran that it must abandon its nuclear ambitions.”

— “The world should support the millions of Iraqis who seek to rebuild their lives, even as we pass responsibility to the Iraqi government and finally bring this war to a close.”

McCain 2008 spokesman Tucker Bounds said in response: "While Barack Obama took a premature victory lap today in the heart of Berlin, proclaiming himself a 'citizen of the world,' John McCain continued to make his case to the American citizens who will decide this election. Barack Obama offered eloquent praise for this country, but the contrast is clear. John McCain has dedicated his life to serving, improving and protecting America. Barack Obama spent an afternoon talking about it."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12028.html

[oneway]

It was about barry saving the world, promising everything to everyone on the planet with absolutely not one intention on delivering it. Just like the promises he has broken since the primaries. This man is a needy sociopath.
Both Way barryagrees with both sides of every issue.

left bwing old man loser Mc Cain is rising in the polls because he is even scaring the mostly mentally ill liberal europeans to death. plus they hate self absorbed liars!

[Smurf-Herder]

When before has a virtually previously unknown US Presidential "candidate" taken his campaign on such a sensational wordwide tour, receiving such adoration, and given speeches of such an expansive world-changing magnitude?

This could be the plot of a movie thriller (reminiscent of the underlying plot in the movie The Dead Zone). Obama wants to lead us into a new Golden Age of cooperation. Everyone should be very wary of being so easily led, by such a prideful, charismatic, deceptive individual.

I say again "Caveat Emptor" (Let the buyer beware).

[bairdi]

Another excellent speech by Obama!

[Smurf-Herder]

Another excellent speech by Obama!

You have officially become one of the enchanted herd.

[asroc]

I'm confused about the highlighted portions. What makes them stand out amongst the rest of the speech? The whole speech was pretty par for the course for Obama thus far, the real impact was visual.

Also McCain having towatch Obama's speech at an Ohio restaurant, because the patrons wanted to, was priceless.

[Smurf-Herder]

I'm confused about the highlighted portions. What makes them stand out amongst the rest of the speech? The whole speech was pretty par for the course for Obama thus far, the real impact was visual.



The underlying concept that Obama wants to be hailed as the world's icon of utopian hope.

Yes, the visuals. I wonder how the symbolism will be interpreted.

Is Obama Speech Site Contaminated by Nazi Past?

Finally, Barack Obama's campaign has settled on a site for his Berlin speech. But some German politicians have now criticized his choice as being one full of Nazi-related symbolism.

Still, even as the issue of his speech's location has now been settled, a number of politicians in Berlin are still dissatisfied with the site. The Siegessäule -- or Victory Column -- was erected in memory of Prussia's victories over Denmark (1864), Austria (1866) and France (1870/71). The column originally stood in front of the Reichstag, Germany's parliament building, but was moved by Adolf Hitler to its current location in 1939 to make way for his planned transformation of Berlin into the Nazi capital "Germania."

"The Siegessäule in Berlin was moved to where it is now by Adolf Hitler. He saw it as a symbol of German superiority and of the victorious wars against Denmark, Austria and France," the deputy leader of the Free Democrats, Rainer Brüderle, told Bild am Sonntag. He raised the question as to "whether Barack Obama was advised correctly in his choice of the Siegessäule as the site to hold a speech on his vision for a more cooperative world."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,566920,00.html

[asroc]

Did you actually read the article, it points out that Reagan and Clinton spoke there as well.

I don't really understand the complaint anyway. The Tiergarten is massive, have you ever been there? It's probably the only outdoor facility they could have even used in Berlin, considering they were expecting 200k people.

Nazis lived in Berlin, that's the past there. There's no use trying to antiseptically wipe it from history.

[Smurf-Herder]

Did you actually read the article, it points out that Reagan and Clinton spoke there as well.

I don't really understand the complaint anyway. The Tiergarten is massive, have you ever been there? It's probably the only outdoor facility they could have even used in Berlin, considering they were expecting 200k people.

Nazis lived in Berlin, that's the past there. There's no use trying to antiseptically wipe it from history.

There were other venues under consideration, and they were not chosen because of symbolism.

I don't recall Clinton and Bush "campaigning for office" in Europe.

You're the fourth time I've seen people treat him as if he were a head of state. Remember, this guy is a one-term Senator, who announced running for President before finishing his first term in the Senate. Reagan and Clinton were Presidents when they addressed Europeans. He has no business going on a worldwide tour, as a giant campaign event - as if he already were President. The whole thing originally started out as a fact-finding mission in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now we're seeing election posters (supplied by his campaign staff) in Berlin and the holiest site in Jerusalem. WTF?

[SeedyROM]

If Clinton had made as many zany speeches as Obama, Monica would have never become rich and famous.


— “My country must stand with yours and with Europe in sending a direct message to Iran that it must abandon its nuclear ambitions.”

— “The world should support the millions of Iraqis who seek to rebuild their lives, even as we pass responsibility to the Iraqi government and finally bring this war to a close.”


Can't disagree with those two points, even McCain has similar goals. Obama will lose if he continues to cater to minority opinion and ideals that will never be supported by the legislature. They'll deadlock his agenda as much and as often as necessary. Any Senator can place a "Hold" on any Bill indefinitely, talk about power.

[Smurf-Herder]

If Clinton had made as many zany speeches as Obama, Monica would have never become rich and famous.



Can't disagree with those two points, even McCain has similar goals. Obama will lose if he continues to cater to minority opinion and ideals that will never be supported by the legislature. They'll deadlock his agenda as much and as often as necessary. Any Senator can place a "Hold" on any Bill indefinitely, talk about power.

I haven't heard this in years. But I had it going through my head this morning as I awoke. I wish I could remember what I was dreaming.



I sit at my table and wage war on myself
It seems like it's all, it's all for nothing
I know the barricades, and
I know the mortar in the wall breaks
I recognize the weapons, I used them well

This is my mistake. Let me make it good
I raised the wall and I will be the one to knock it down

I've a rich understanding of my finest defenses
I proclaim that claims are left unstated,
I demand a rematch
I decree a stalemate
I divine my deeper motives
I recognize the weapons
I've practiced them well. I fitted them myself

It's amazing what devices you can sympathize, empathize
This is my mistake. Let me make it good
I raised the wall and I will be the one to knock it down

Reach out for me and hold me tight. Hold that memory
Let my machine talk to me, let my machine talk to me

This is my world
And I am world leader pretend
This is my life
And this is my time
I have been given the freedom
To do as I see fit
It's high time I've razed the walls
That I've constructed

You fill in the mortar. You fill in the harmony
You fill in the mortar. I raised the wall
And I'm the only one
I will be the one to knock it down

World Leader Pretend - REM

[bairdi]

...bump...

[SeedyROM]

I haven't heard this in years. But I had it going through my head this morning as I awoke. I wish I could remember what I was dreaming.



I sit at my table and wage war on myself
It seems like it's all, it's all for nothing
I know the barricades, and
I know the mortar in the wall breaks
I recognize the weapons, I used them well

This is my mistake. Let me make it good
I raised the wall and I will be the one to knock it down

I've a rich understanding of my finest defenses
I proclaim that claims are left unstated,
I demand a rematch
I decree a stalemate
I divine my deeper motives
I recognize the weapons
I've practiced them well. I fitted them myself

It's amazing what devices you can sympathize, empathize
This is my mistake. Let me make it good
I raised the wall and I will be the one to knock it down

Reach out for me and hold me tight. Hold that memory
Let my machine talk to me, let my machine talk to me

This is my world
And I am world leader pretend
This is my life
And this is my time
I have been given the freedom
To do as I see fit
It's high time I've razed the walls
That I've constructed

You fill in the mortar. You fill in the harmony
You fill in the mortar. I raised the wall
And I'm the only one
I will be the one to knock it down

World Leader Pretend - REM

That's good! I was 2/3rds the way thru before I figured out where I had heard those lines before. Good music REM. Words of wisdom!!!

[Hog Trash]

With Barrack Hussein Obama as our Commander and Chief we will be at the mercy of our enemies from every corner of the world.

Beware the piper as you follow dancing behind him while he plays his beautiful tune

[Smurf-Herder]

That's good! I was 2/3rds the way thru before I figured out where I had heard those lines before. Good music REM. Words of wisdom!!!

Postcards from the edge.

[SeedyROM]

Postcards from the edge.

LOL, so much for my guessing.

The period of non-REM.

[Smurf-Herder]

LOL, so much for my guessing.

The period of non-REM.

Postcards from the edge is my metaphor for for the subconscious of the artistic mind "tapping in" to Archetypal concepts from the universal subconscious.

[LogicallyYours]

With Barrack Hussein Obama as our Commander and Chief we will be at the mercy of our enemies from every corner of the world.

Beware the piper as you follow dancing behind him while he plays his beautiful tune

Really???...and we are not now???

Tell me how and be specific.

[Smurf-Herder]

This commentary by Bolton makes a good point.

One world? Obama's on a different planet
The senator's Berlin speech was radical and naive.

By John R. Bolton
July 26, 2008

SEN. BARACK OBAMA said in an interview the day after his Berlin speech that it "allowed me to send a message to the American people that the judgments I have made and the judgments I will make are ones that are going to result in them being safer."

If that is what the senator thought he was doing, he still has a lot to learn about both foreign policy and the views of the American people. Although well received in the Tiergarten, the Obama speech actually reveals an even more naive view of the world than we had previously been treated to in the United States. In addition, although most of the speech was substantively as content-free as his other campaign pronouncements, when substance did slip in, it was truly radical, from an American perspective.

These troubling comments were not widely reported in the generally adulatory media coverage given the speech, but they nonetheless deserve intense scrutiny. It remains to be seen whether these glimpses into Obama's thinking will have any impact on the presidential campaign, but clearly they were not casual remarks. This speech, intended to generate the enormous publicity it in fact received, reflects his campaign's carefully calibrated political thinking. Accordingly, there should be no evading the implications of his statements. Consider just the following two examples.

First, urging greater U.S.-European cooperation, Obama said, "The burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together." Having earlier proclaimed himself "a fellow citizen of the world" with his German hosts, Obama explained that the fall of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Europe proved "that there is no challenge too great for a world that stands as one."

Perhaps Obama needs a remedial course in Cold War history, but the Berlin Wall most certainly did not come down because "the world stood as one." The wall fell because of a decades-long, existential struggle against one of the greatest totalitarian ideologies mankind has ever faced. It was a struggle in which strong and determined U.S. leadership was constantly questioned, both in Europe and by substantial segments of the senator's own Democratic Party. In Germany in the later years of the Cold War, Ostpolitik -- "eastern politics," a policy of rapprochement rather than resistance -- continuously risked a split in the Western alliance and might have allowed communism to survive. The U.S. president who made the final successful assault on communism, Ronald Reagan, was derided by many in Europe as not very bright, too unilateralist and too provocative.

But there are larger implications to Obama's rediscovery of the "one world" concept, first announced in the U.S. by Wendell Willkie, the failed Republican 1940 presidential nominee, and subsequently buried by the Cold War's realities.

The successes Obama refers to in his speech -- the defeat of Nazism, the Berlin airlift and the collapse of communism -- were all gained by strong alliances defeating determined opponents of freedom, not by "one-worldism." Although the senator was trying to distinguish himself from perceptions of Bush administration policy within the Atlantic Alliance, he was in fact sketching out a post-alliance policy, perhaps one that would unfold in global organizations such as the United Nations. This is far-reaching indeed.

Second, Obama used the Berlin Wall metaphor to describe his foreign policy priorities as president: "The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand. The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes; natives and immigrants; Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down."

This is a confused, nearly incoherent compilation, to say the least, amalgamating tensions in the Atlantic Alliance with ancient historical conflicts. One hopes even Obama, inexperienced as he is, doesn't see all these "walls" as essentially the same in size and scope. But beyond the incoherence, there is a deeper problem, namely that "walls" exist not simply because of a lack of understanding about who is on the other side but because there are true differences in values and interests that lead to human conflict. The Berlin Wall itself was not built because of a failure of communication but because of the implacable hostility of communism toward freedom. The wall was a reflection of that reality, not an unfortunate mistake.

Tearing down the Berlin Wall was possible because one side -- our side -- defeated the other. Differences in levels of economic development, or the treatment of racial, immigration or religious questions, are not susceptible to the same analysis or solution. Even more basically, challenges to our very civilization, as the Cold War surely was, are not overcome by naively "tearing down walls" with our adversaries.

Throughout the Berlin speech, there were numerous policy pronouncements, all of them hazy and nonspecific, none of them new or different than what Obama has already said during the long American campaign. But the Berlin framework in which he wrapped these ideas for the first time is truly radical for a prospective American president. That he picked a foreign audience is perhaps not surprising, because they could be expected to welcome a less-assertive American view of its role in the world, at least at first glance. Even anti-American Europeans, however, are likely to regret a United States that sees itself as just one more nation in a "united" world.

The best we can hope for is that Obama's rhetoric was simply that, pandering to the audience before him, as politicians so often do. We shall see if this rhetoric follows him back to America, either because he continues to use it or because Sen. John McCain asks voters if this is really what they want from their next president.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-bolton26-2008jul26,0,4923423.story

[bairdi]

John Bolton is one of the most hawkish mental case members of PNAC. He is a war monger who aided in the illegal invasion of a country that was not an eminent threat to the United States and should be included in any trial for war crimes. His goal now is to launch a similar unwarranted attack against Iran. We have already experienced the effect of the PNAC philosophy of influencing world policy through the use of military force and it does not work. I am afraid that it is Mr. Bolton who is on a different planet from the rest of the sane world and not Obama.

If McCain continues to tack right with Bolton and the rest of the PNAC crowd concerning foreign policy, he's done and you can put a fork in him.

[Hog Trash]

Really???...and we are not now???

Tell me how and be specific.

Our enemies hate George W Bush because he will defend America against them.

Our enemies love Barrack Obama because he will defend them against America.

You can't get more specific than that.

Don't you ever QUESTION why America Haters all over the world love Barrack Hussein Obama???

Stop making excuses for Obama just because you hate Bush.

Were trying to choose a President, not our favorite contestant on American Idle.

Grow to fuck up you idiot.

[Independent Harry]

Our enemies hate George W Bush because he will defend America against them.

Our enemies love Barrack Obama because he will defend them against America.

You can't get more specific than that.

Don't you ever QUESTION why America Haters all over the world love Barrack Hussein Obama???

Stop making excuses for Obama just because you hate Bush.

Were trying to choose a President, not our favorite contestant on American Idle.

Grow to fuck up you idiot.

Independent my ass. Neo-con to the core, the true colors always show...

[Smurf-Herder]

John Bolton is one of the most hawkish mental case members of PNAC. He is a war monger who aided in the illegal invasion of a country that was not an eminent threat to the United States and should be included in any trial for war crimes. His goal now is to launch a similar unwarranted attack against Iran. We have already experienced the effect of the PNAC philosophy of influencing world policy through the use of military force and it does not work. I am afraid that it is Mr. Bolton who is on a different planet from the rest of the sane world and not Obama.

If McCain continues to tack right with Bolton and the rest of the PNAC crowd concerning foreign policy, he's done and you can put a fork in him.

As usual, people like you attack the individual, to avoid dealing with the point he's making.

You're also confusing the issue, by narrowing it down to "using military force" and ignoring the concept of security through military strength and deterence.

And completely missed the point about it being impossible to get everyone to agree on everything, from every religion, social group, and country - which was basically what Obama was pushing.

His main theme was, that Obama completely misread the lessons of history. And has no clue how to function as a serious leader.

[Hog Trash]

Independent my ass. Neo-con to the core, the true colors always show...
You ask me to be specific, which I do......Your response is to call me a "Neo-con"......You are typical 'Loyal Raptured Sheep'.

This is the typical response of all the programed sheep and none of you seem to even realize it.

You people just stand around all day with a big dumb look on your face, slapping each other on the back in constant agreement.

Their isn't even one single original thought going on in there. Strictly party line.

Your motor's running but somebody else is driving.

[SeedyROM]

Our enemies hate George W Bush because he will defend America against them.

Our enemies love Barrack Obama because he will defend them against America.

You can't get more specific than that.

Don't you ever QUESTION why America Haters all over the world love Barrack Hussein Obama???

Stop making excuses for Obama just because you hate Bush.

Were trying to choose a President, not our favorite contestant on American Idle.

Grow to fuck up you idiot.

The American Haters will change their minds as soon as they learn Obama is considering attacks on Pakistan and Iran. He may have a rock star demeanor but he'll lose that once the world sees that he and Bill Clinton have a lot in common. People love to forget the 2 wars/police actions, whatever you want to call using guns and bombs, people love to forget that both parities use military force to change a country for the better.

People also love to forget Clinton violated the Constitution when he sent the Army into to take a Hostage in Somolia. A lot of good men died and many more were wounded. Taking Hostages is a bed rock principle we never violate openly or using the broad sword of the military. The CIA could have taken a hostage quietly, even by force, they could have done a superior job to the plans Clinton approved.

[sancot123]

You ask me to be specific, which I do......Your response is to call me a "Neo-con"......You are typical 'Loyal Raptured Sheep'.

This is the typical response of all the programed sheep and none of you seem to even realize it.

You people just stand around all day with a big dumb look on your face, slapping each other on the back in constant agreement.

Their isn't even one single original thought going on in there. Strictly party line.

Your motor's running but somebody else is driving.
I read all your comments and find you to be a real smart man that speaks no trash at all. Wish there was alot more like u on here instead of all the America haters i find who should be more worried about AMERICA NOT HATING IT!!!

[sancot123]

ALL AMERICANS THAT HATE THE TROOPS SHOULD HATE THEM SELFS MORE. They are Americas problem not the troops who defend the country so that they can be the haters they are.

[doctordog]

ALL AMERICANS THAT HATE THE TROOPS SHOULD HATE THEM SELFS MORE. They are Americas problem not the troops who defend the country so that they can be the haters they are.

Well stated, the liberal left makes up the largest group of haters we have.

[sancot123]

Well stated, the liberal left makes up the largest group of haters we have.
If they are America haters now just wait and see if OBAMA THE FLIP FLOPPER AND AMERICAN HATER GETS IN and truely screw us up here and abroad

[Independent Harry]

You ask me to be specific, which I do......Your response is to call me a "Neo-con"......You are typical 'Loyal Raptured Sheep'.

This is the typical response of all the programed sheep and none of you seem to even realize it.

You people just stand around all day with a big dumb look on your face, slapping each other on the back in constant agreement.

Their isn't even one single original thought going on in there. Strictly party line.

Your motor's running but somebody else is driving.

Specific? You made blanket statements that have no bearing in reality. You offered no proof to back up your assertions, just that becaues you believe it, it must be true.

Show me where our enemies are saying they love Obama because he'll lay down for them. Show me where our enemies are hating bush because he is fuckign up our country.

In fact our enemies love Bush, he pulled our troops out of Saudi Arabia, which is what they wanted. He is bankrupting American, which is what they wanted (that was Bin ladens stated goal). he is erroding our military might, which is what they wanted...he's even making them money hand over fist on oil...

So who do they love? I say they love Bush, hell they do business with him on a daily basis.

[Independent Harry]

I read all your comments and find you to be a real smart man that speaks no trash at all. Wish there was alot more like u on here instead of all the America haters i find who should be more worried about AMERICA NOT HATING IT!!!

LOL, here is the loyal raptured sheep. Believing anything that someone says because it toes the NLP line they have been programmed with.

Again, you provide no proof to your statements, nor does Hog, yet you are here congratulating each other on your Obama sucks circle jerk...

[Binky]

I'm confused about the highlighted portions. What makes them stand out amongst the rest of the speech? The whole speech was pretty par for the course for Obama thus far, the real impact was visual.

Also McCain having towatch Obama's speech at an Ohio restaurant, because the patrons wanted to, was priceless.


Damn it! I didn't know about that one! Grrr! I'll have to go and find it. Doggone it!

LOL! Man, that would suck to be McCain...I haven't even seen that piece on the news.:banghead:

[Hog Trash]

Specific? You made blanket statements that have no bearing in reality. You offered no proof to back up your assertions, just that becaues you believe it, it must be true.

Show me where our enemies are saying they love Obama because he'll lay down for them. Show me where our enemies are hating bush because he is fuckign up our country.

In fact our enemies love Bush, he pulled our troops out of Saudi Arabia, which is what they wanted. He is bankrupting American, which is what they wanted (that was Bin ladens stated goal). he is erroding our military might, which is what they wanted...he's even making them money hand over fist on oil...

So who do they love? I say they love Bush, hell they do business with him on a daily basis.
The only person you are bullshitting is yourself. You need to start paying attention to what's going on in the world. The fact that people who hate America love Obama, is nothing new.

Most liberals don't even deny this. They make excuses for it. Consider his friends for a starter. Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers? What hole have you had your head stuck in for the last 6months?

[Kinky Jones]

The only person you are bullshitting is yourself. You need to start paying attention to what's going on in the world. The fact that people who hate America love Obama, is nothing new.

Most liberals don't even deny this. They make excuses for it. Consider his friends for a starter. Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers? What hole have you had your head stuck in for the last 6months?

please enlighten us as to who hates america and supports obama