Apollo Astronaut Claims Alien Contact Cover-up

[Smurf-Herder]

I've been hearing a bit about this stuff lately. A new book says 100 military personnel stationed at US nuclear weapons sites have come forward to claim UFOs turned off, or turned on ICBM control equipment. Others are talking about full government disclosure to the public sometime within the next three - five years. Now an Apollo 14 Astronaut is claiming he's been briefed on Alien Contacts. Makes you wonder.

Moon-walker claims alien contact cover-up

FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist.

And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades.

Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.'

He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head.

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned "we would be been gone by now".

Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission.

"I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real," Dr Mitchell said.

"It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it.

"I've been in military and intelligence circles, who know that beneath the surface of what has been public knowledge, yes - we have been visited. Reading the papers recently, it's been happening quite a bit."

Dr Mitchell, who has a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering and a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics claimed Roswell was real and similar alien visits continue to be investigated.

He told the astonished Kerrang! radio host Nick Margerrison: "This is really starting to open up. I think we're headed for real disclosure and some serious organisations are moving in that direction."

Mr Margerrison said: "I thought I'd stumbled on some sort of astronaut humour but he was absolutely serious that aliens are definitely out there and there's no debating it."

Officials from NASA, however, were quick to play the comments down.

In a statement, a spokesman said: "NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe.

'Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue.'

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24070088-5002700,00.html

[Hog Trash]

I saw Dr Mitchell being interviewed, I believe on Larry King Live, talking about this. He was very convincing.

Disclosure would be great. I only hope it comes about in my lifetime. The Government has no right withholding this information from the people.

Their suppose to work for us. No other employer would tolerate this secrecy from their employees.

[Mr, gone]

All you fools like Hog who may still be under the false impression that the goverment does or will ever give a flying fuck about it's poeple are delusional.

You make up the conspiracy - it may very well be true though capital hill's habitual liers will never confirm.

Alot of things in life would be 'great' if only we the people were not regulary getting verbal masturbation shoved up our asses. :mad:

[Smurf-Herder]

Watch the story on Larry King about the missile base incidents:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/07/20/lkl.ufo.long.cnn

[Independent Harry]

Ahhh, my god thank you smurf, I was just about to walk away from this board. The idea of arguing anymore with anyone about oil and Iraq was just getting so pointless to me. A ray of light you have with this article.

How wonderful that would be to actually learn we are not alone in this world and how absolutely humbling it would be too. To realize that we are not as special as we thought and the miracle of cosciouness could exist a billion times over. We are just another cog in the intergalactice wheel of life. Striving for understanding, along with our brothers and sisters of the stars.

[Hog Trash]

All you fools like Hog who may still be under the false impression that the goverment does or will ever give a flying fuck about it's poeple are delusional.

You make up the conspiracy - it may very well be true though capital hill's habitual liers will never confirm.

Alot of things in life would be 'great' if only we the people were not regulary getting verbal masturbation shoved up our asses. :mad:

Can you hold your nose and say "fools like hog" three times, real fast???

[disrupter]

The military & government are such notorious liars who knows what to believe?

If we get past our own [religious & otherwise] egos & melodramas long enough to realize we are not 'special' or anything, then very likely life arises from time to time in this universe. I would add i don't think we are really intelligent yet.
And if we see that this Universe is likely a natural phenomenon, then likely there are other Universes of unknown types as well.

I think the only mistake is attributing aliens with having some 'meaning' of, to, or for us.

We are IMO an intellect challenged species who they probably like to mostly benignly tease, the way we might a cat or dog.

If we see ourselves as some random outcome of unfathomable nature, & if we like to exist & continue to do so, it is up to us & us alone to preserve that which sustains us, first & foremost & then grow slowly, sustainably & tenaciously out from there.

[SeedyROM]

Larry King released a story on the UK releasing UFO files. Proof the govt. covers up facts to protect us from what? They don't know what. Let us hope that if aliens decide to make contact that they come to the USA, not Iran!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1573498/MoD-to-open-British-UFO-X-files.html
Top-secret details about hundreds of sightings of Unidentified Flying Objects are to be released for public viewing in response to the nation's continuing fascination with the subject.


The Ministry of Defence will release a total of 160 files dating back to that time to the National Archives in Kew.

The first files will be made available in Spring 2008 and the process is expected to take three years.

[Smurf-Herder]

Recommended reading:

Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke and Messengers of Deception by Dr. Jacques Vallee.

All may not be what it appears to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood's_End

http://www.amazon.com/Messengers-Deception-Ufo-Contacts-Cults/dp/0915904381

[Independent Harry]

Recommended reading:

Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke and Messengers of Deception by Dr. Jacques Vallee.

All may not be what it appears to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood's_End

http://www.amazon.com/Messengers-Deception-Ufo-Contacts-Cults/dp/0915904381

I like how at the end the nightmares of our past were a residual imprint from our future in childhoods end. Great book. Clarke was a genius. Did you ever get a chance to read the Rama series from him?

[Smurf-Herder]

I like how at the end the nightmares of our past were a residual imprint from our future in childhoods end. Great book. Clarke was a genius. Did you ever get a chance to read the Rama series from him?

No. My fictional reading was limited. A couple books from Michael Moorcock, Robert Silverberg; and most everthing written by Kurt Vonnegut. Otherwise my reading in my teens went non-fiction, into more Fortean type topics.

MY EDIT >>>

But my point was, to read both books I mentioned. And keep an open mind on what's going on with UFOs, in the real world.

[Mr, gone]

Smurfy!

I love Kurt Vonnegut's works... Your MO does not connect IMO as being the type that would understand him. I'm only assuming that your views reguarding our illegal war in Iraq is tempered due to your son serving over there.

There may be hope for you yet... :D

[SeedyROM]

LOL, what illegal war. Oh yea the one the legislature funded more than once.

[Smurf-Herder]

Smurfy!

I love Kurt Vonnegut's works... Your MO does not connect IMO as being the type that would understand him. I'm only assuming that your views reguarding our illegal war in Iraq is tempered due to your son serving over there.

There may be hope for you yet... :D

Of course I understand him. The absurdity of Sirens of Titan blew my mind. And I loved Breakfast of Champions. Who would have ever thought of telling a recurring character in a series of novels that he's just a recurring character in a series of novels? Now that's genius - in a Zen koan kinda way.

Do you understand all the symbolism and subliminal meanings in the 60s TV series, The Prisoner? I don't think most people do. ("Who is Number 1?" ... "You are, Number 6.")

My views on Iraq are tempered by ceasefire violations since the Fall of '91. What's the point of a ceasefire, if you let the enemy violate the agreement for 12 years?

On a personal note, I didn't want him to go; and when he came home for a two week leave, I told him I'd understand if he wanted to go AWOL. He said he had no regrets.

[Cat slave]

Regarding the subject of extra terrestrials, how could we possibly actually
believe that "we" are the only intelligent life in the universe? Especially the
"intelligent" part. How arrogant that would be.

Also, I have a theory. When did our explosion of knowledge begin?
After the Rozwell incident. I dont think we groveled along making little
steps of progress then, boom, the flood gates of technology opened.
Alien technology!

[Independent Harry]

No. My fictional reading was limited. A couple books from Michael Moorcock, Robert Silverberg; and most everthing written by Kurt Vonnegut. Otherwise my reading in my teens went non-fiction, into more Fortean type topics.

MY EDIT >>>

But my point was, to read both books I mentioned. And keep an open mind on what's going on with UFOs, in the real world.

If you're looking for a good read, that focuses on the psychology of people as well as having a sci fi element, then pick up the rama series. Great books.

[Hog Trash]

And I loved Breakfast of Champions. Who would have ever thought of telling a recurring character in a series of novels that he's just a recurring character in a series of novels?
Rod Serling possibly???

[Hog Trash]

Regarding the subject of extra terrestrials, how could we possibly actually
believe that "we" are the only intelligent life in the universe? Especially the
"intelligent" part. How arrogant that would be.
The inhabitants of an ant hill are also sure that they are the only intelligent life in the Universe.

[Smurf-Herder]

The inhabitants of an ant hill are also sure that they are the only intelligent life in the Universe.

And look at the various types of experiments man engages in with lower life forms.

Imagine the type and scope of experiments that would be conducted by a race, from an entirely different origin, evolution, culture and moral foundation; which could be a billion years more advanced than us, intellectually and technologically.

[Smurf-Herder]

Regarding the subject of extra terrestrials, how could we possibly actually
believe that "we" are the only intelligent life in the universe? Especially the
"intelligent" part. How arrogant that would be.

Also, I have a theory. When did our explosion of knowledge begin?
After the Rozwell incident. I dont think we groveled along making little
steps of progress then, boom, the flood gates of technology opened.
Alien technology!

Philip J. Corso and the Use of Alien Technology

In 1997, Philip J. Corso, a retired U.S. Army Colonel, published a book – “The Day after Roswell” – in which he claimed that, during the years 1961-62, while he headed up a U.S. Army research division, he learned that an alien craft really had crashed at Roswell, New Mexico and that, through careful study of the debris, the U.S. military had gained some astonishing insights into new technologies. Corso claimed that he was tasked by his superior, General Arthur Trudeau, with diffusing some of this technical knowledge, through military contracting companies, into the civilian realm, where the whole human race, and certain privileged U.S. companies, could benefit tremendously from it. The result, if the account is to be believed, was many of the technical marvels of the modern world. Fibre optics, transistors, night vision goggles, lasers, and the development of integrated circuits all in part derived from the alien technology captured at Roswell, according to the book.

But is Corso credible? His military records have been obtained, and though some like to quibble over minor details of it, broadly speaking he does appear to have had the background and experience that he claims. He was indeed on the staff of the National Security Council and later head of the Foreign Technology Division in the U.S. Army.

It is difficult to substantiate Corso’s claim that Roswell technology was behind the technological origins of so many products. According to his account, some of the recipients of the technology may not even have been aware of its extra-terrestrial provenance. It may have been presented to them as something that had been acquired from another nation state. And Corso claims the technology was fed to companies who were already working on developments along similar lines, making it even harder to detect any sharp surge of innovation.

http://www.ufoencounters.co.uk/PhilipJCorsoAlienTechnology.html

[Cat slave]

The inhabitants of an ant hill are also sure that they are the only intelligent life in the Universe.

ROTFL:lmao2:

[Cat slave]

Good reading.

Maybe we were on the brink of soaring technology but isnt progress in anything
a matter of progression with past efforts producing learning for the next stage?

Somehow I dont see our species as being that brilliant as to have had such
an explosion of knowledge with no assistance. And it is sort of a co incidence
that it followed Rozwell, dont ya think?

[Smurf-Herder]

Good reading.

Maybe we were on the brink of soaring technology but isnt progress in anything
a matter of progression with past efforts producing learning for the next stage?

Somehow I dont see our species as being that brilliant as to have had such
an explosion of knowledge with no assistance. And it is sort of a co incidence
that it followed Rozwell, dont ya think?

If you combine every angle of this, with insights from the two books I mentioned earlier (one fiction, the other non-fiction), and assume advanced entities (wherever they're from and whatever they are) have been interacting with us throughout history, a case could be made for a massive long-term project ...... involving cultivation, conditioning and possible future assimilation.

I mentioned the Book of Enoch before, which was banned from the Bible. At various points, it gives extensive references to The Watchers; who are also discussed in scripture of other religions.

[Mr, gone]

Smurfy,

let's not forget cross breeding... Oh, just the thought gets me hot for some alien ass. :lmao2:

[SeedyROM]

It's quite obvious the govt. is hiding details from us. Area 51 used to be the hotbed of advanced technology. Today much has been moved to an island in the south pacific away from snooping eyes on the ground. Maybe the missle silo incidents had something to do with it too.

I don't know about cross breeding but alien ass sounds appealing!:D

[Independent Harry]

The inhabitants of an ant hill are also sure that they are the only intelligent life in the Universe.

Really are you sure about that? I'd like you to prove that statement...I think the ant hill knows they're place when some 8 year kid smashes the shit out their home every 3 days...

[Independent Harry]

It's quite obvious the govt. is hiding details from us. Area 51 used to be the hotbed of advanced technology. Today much has been moved to an island in the south pacific away from snooping eyes on the ground. Maybe the missle silo incidents had something to do with it too.

I don't know about cross breeding but alien ass sounds appealing!:D

little grey and skinny, you must be a white boy :P

[SeedyROM]

little grey and skinny, you must be a white boy :P

I don't know what that means? Maybe it has something to do with the Captain Kirk green alien love scene.:D

[disrupter]

Isn't self assessed 'intelligence' necessarily suspect?

The term seems often vaguely defined,

crudely, 'the ability to process information'?
perhaps 'in a meaningful way?'

'meaningful' is loaded with ambiguity.
perspective based/biased.

We can talk about computers processing data,
what i would say they lack is any meaningful connection to it.
they may do useful processing, perhaps useful to us & as a rationale for their preservation, but intelligence implies some comprehension, understanding.
dispassion removes much [perhaps all?] of the meaning from things.

Is 'meaning' inherently rooted in confusion & chaos?
One might be able to mathematically print a design on paper, but until someone/something folds it into its origami form its [intended? implied?] meaning has not been realized.

Does 'meaning' mean it has some inherent [bit of] transcendence about it?
it has an 'otherness'?
connected, but also removed?

[Smurf-Herder]

It's quite obvious the govt. is hiding details from us. Area 51 used to be the hotbed of advanced technology. Today much has been moved to an island in the south pacific away from snooping eyes on the ground. Maybe the missle silo incidents had something to do with it too.

I don't know about cross breeding but alien ass sounds appealing!:D

I heard a lot got moved to two bases north somewhere.

I don't think I've eve heard of the gray ones being female. I think of them more as asexual. Possibly even being clone-like; with a hive type consciousness.

[disrupter]

The notion that some external stimulus caused an acceleration of technology certainly sounds possible, but certainly not conclusive in any way.

Have we become that much more granular, intricate & precise in our thinking, or at least the creative technological elite of our population over recent decades?
Maybe we are just self-impressed with something that should simply be expected. maybe we are evolutionarily inclined to be self-impressed, because that drives us on. Addicted to hype? I am sure evolution unconsciously puppets us around with all kind of emotional &/or psychological drives & impulses. It does seem to have included a [very] small fraction of capacity for rational intellectual thinking as well.

Of course it could be that we have enough wealth & technological success to support a larger base of intellectually elite people. The Guns, Germs, Steel theory would fit with that.

To some degree simply seeing that something is even possible that drives one on to try to figure it out.
Maybe seeing alien craft & their amazing abilities was itself enough of an impetus.

Certainly the Communist Russian state wouldn't have been as concentrated on achieving a nuclear weapon if they hadn't seen with their own eyes [or classified reports?] what it could do as well as the undeniable proof that we had [at least] one, & it worked.

We are sort of like hunters of ideas. If we catch a scent it sets us prowling for its source. And with technology even if you don't find the particular source of that scent you may find other things that are more or less as useful instead. If we never caught the scent in the first place we might not have begun prowling. The success of prowling [scientific research] gives us incentive to continue it. It creates a kind of feedback loop. More success spurs more researching, and so on.

Curiosity is the disease & we NEED to get as infected as possible.
We need hungry minds.
We need open, but skeptical, scrutinizing minds.

Consciousness is an incredibly fragile & vapid thing. Vapidity might even be its hallmark.
If we become too rational do we become like machines? Or is some intermittent injection with inspiration enough to keep it beyond that?

Odd thought: can you tie up a societies resources by presenting an illusion that looks like it works, so they waste resources trying to achieve an illusion?
Do you run the risk that they will find something useful, even where you thought nothing was impossible?

I think we would be amazed at what is possible, if only we had the articulated application of mind. But there is some question as to whether better results are achieved by intent or if some things have to necessarily be discovered by accident?
Maybe our narrative is the particular set of accidents that give uniqueness of form to what would otherwise be an endless stream of monotonous banality.

[Cat slave]

Philip J. Corso and the Use of Alien Technology

In 1997, Philip J. Corso, a retired U.S. Army Colonel, published a book – “The Day after Roswell” – in which he claimed that, during the years 1961-62, while he headed up a U.S. Army research division, he learned that an alien craft really had crashed at Roswell, New Mexico and that, through careful study of the debris, the U.S. military had gained some astonishing insights into new technologies. Corso claimed that he was tasked by his superior, General Arthur Trudeau, with diffusing some of this technical knowledge, through military contracting companies, into the civilian realm, where the whole human race, and certain privileged U.S. companies, could benefit tremendously from it. The result, if the account is to be believed, was many of the technical marvels of the modern world. Fibre optics, transistors, night vision goggles, lasers, and the development of integrated circuits all in part derived from the alien technology captured at Roswell, according to the book.

But is Corso credible? His military records have been obtained, and though some like to quibble over minor details of it, broadly speaking he does appear to have had the background and experience that he claims. He was indeed on the staff of the National Security Council and later head of the Foreign Technology Division in the U.S. Army.

It is difficult to substantiate Corso’s claim that Roswell technology was behind the technological origins of so many products. According to his account, some of the recipients of the technology may not even have been aware of its extra-terrestrial provenance. It may have been presented to them as something that had been acquired from another nation state. And Corso claims the technology was fed to companies who were already working on developments along similar lines, making it even harder to detect any sharp surge of innovation.

http://www.ufoencounters.co.uk/PhilipJCorsoAlienTechnology.html

Thanks for the suggested reading material.

[disrupter]

Isn't it also possible that the advances in technology were fueled by JFK's pushing the American people to study more math & science,
so we could challenge the Soviet's space success with Sputnik?

[Smurf-Herder]

Isn't it also possible that the advances in technology were fueled by JFK's pushing the American people to study more math & science,
so we could challenge the Soviet's space success with Sputnik?


Of course.

But then it comes down to, what do you think of the guy in charge of the Army's Foreign Technology Division, and I've heard elsewhere was in charge of US Nukes in Europe at one time, saying these things.

To write a book about it, there must be a lot of detail he goes through.

[disrupter]

I hope the important thing Americans are learning is that math & science assist technology, & technology is hugely advantageous.

if we don't, others around the globe certainly have & will be eating our lunch if we can't keep out of the religious superstitious dark ages.

Religion for personal, psychological, morale support is ok,
but when it drags your nation into midievalism it is basically slitting your nation's throat.

if you care about your nation, keep religion in the public sphere well tamped down.
Like a dog, it shouldn't be allowed in the living room & certainly not on the sofa.
Keep the beast of dogmatic religion in its place.
Keeping it outdoors with the other wild things is best for it and you both.

[Smurf-Herder]

I hope the important thing Americans are learning is that math & science assist technology, & technology is hugely advantageous.

if we don't, others around the globe certainly have & will be eating our lunch if we can't keep out of the religious superstitious dark ages.

Religion for personal, psychological, morale support is ok,
but when it drags your nation into midievalism it is basically slitting your nation's throat.

if you care about your nation, keep religion in the public sphere well tamped down.
Like a dog, it shouldn't be allowed in the living room & certainly not on the sofa.
Keep the beast of dogmatic religion in its place.
Keeping it outdoors with the other wild things is best for it and you both.

What if all our religions were actually started by more advanced beings as part of some grand experiment, planting religious experiences in the minds of key test subjects, to study the effects of conflicting dogmatic beliefs on a developing civilization?

[disrupter]

Maybe to see how we, humans, responded to it,
but i doubt we are some iconically standard species that would represent or fill in for other semi-advanced species elsewhere.

Maybe it is just kids playing with bugs.

In any event, do we as a species or society have the where with all to rise above it, & act in our own strategic, collective selfish interests?
or are we to forever be limited by lilliputian notions & brain power?

My vote is no.
but reality isn't a democracy, even if one vote mattered.

[Independent Harry]

What if all our religions were actually started by more advanced beings as part of some grand experiment, planting religious experiences in the minds of key test subjects, to study the effects of conflicting dogmatic beliefs on a developing civilization?

Then I would cry foul on that one lol. Assholes set us back for years.

I don't think that's the case though. The human mind is fundamentally built to ask the question why. And then answr that question, the questions we can't answer naturally take on some kind of supernatural focus.

[disrupter]

It is our failure to accommodate ambiguity.

[Hog Trash]

Really are you sure about that? I'd like you to prove that statement...I think the ant hill knows they're place when some 8 year kid smashes the shit out their home every 3 days...
Knowing nothing of 8 year olds, they think nothing of it, more than just a natural disaster and go straight to work rebuilding.

[Smurf-Herder]

It is our failure to accommodate ambiguity.

You know what they say ..........

Beware of highy evolved beings bearing anal probes.

[disrupter]

The vibrating ones are really the worst.

or is that the best?

i can never keep my alien abductions straight

[Smurf-Herder]

Along the same basic theme.

Here's an update of a recent well-publicized group of UFO sightings.

Radar spotted UFOs near Crawford in January, group says

http://www.star-telegram.com/371/story/755833.html