McCain makes a good point

[Smurf-Herder]

IMO, this is critical.

I just saw an interview with McCain. In it, he made a good point. If Obama can't acknowledge what worked in Iraq, in terms of a counter-insurgency strategy, how can he be expected to succeed in Afghanistan?

[Mr, gone]

And then he forgot what he said... :lmao2:

[Mr, gone]

Smurfy,

Your not seeing the big picture. Stop fooling yourself that somehow this end justifed the means. What has THIS county actually reaped from this labor? And don't give me this bullshit about how it has 'freed' the Iraqi citizens from that asshole dictator sadam.

Our goverment pre-emptively attacked Iraq for everything except what it has told you. The whole fiasco was tainted with the 911/WND/mushroom cloud fiction.

Oh, I forgot - it appears this is the only type of story you understand.

[bairdi]

...bump...

[Cat slave]

Well, I scared myself today while driving and mulling over the past days
world tour of the Pied Piper/Antichrist.........I just might have to vote for
ugh.....can I say it?.......geeeeezzz.....spit it out.....McAMNESTY! Ewwww..
wheres the Listerine. Yuck, pooey!

Am I seeing the lesser of the two evils? Or has the heat gotten to me?
No, I think I have seen how very naive, two faced and socialistic the
Obamination really is. And the cultish following is just as scary.

Someone quipped that he stopped by "the manger" to visit the spot where
he was born. ROTFL!!!!:lmao2:

[Hog Trash]

Well, I scared myself today while driving and mulling over the past days
world tour of the Pied Piper/Antichrist.........I just might have to vote for
ugh.....can I say it?.......geeeeezzz.....spit it out.....McAMNESTY! Ewwww..
wheres the Listerine. Yuck, pooey!

Am I seeing the lesser of the two evils? Or has the heat gotten to me?
No, I think I have seen how very naive, two faced and socialistic the
Obamination really is. And the cultish following is just as scary.

Someone quipped that he stopped by "the manger" to visit the spot where
he was born. ROTFL!!!!:lmao2:

I have not voted for a Democrat or Republican presidential candidate in 20 years but Obama scares me so bad I may have to agree with your strategy.

Pass the Listerine if theirs any left. This is depressing as hell.

[Smurf-Herder]

Smurfy,

Your not seeing the big picture. Stop fooling yourself that somehow this end justifed the means. What has THIS county actually reaped from this labor? And don't give me this bullshit about how it has 'freed' the Iraqi citizens from that asshole dictator sadam.

Our goverment pre-emptively attacked Iraq for everything except what it has told you. The whole fiasco was tainted with the 911/WND/mushroom cloud fiction.

Oh, I forgot - it appears this is the only type of story you understand.

We should have gone in back in the early 90s.

[sancot123]

Smurfy,

Your not seeing the big picture. Stop fooling yourself that somehow this end justifed the means. What has THIS county actually reaped from this labor? And don't give me this bullshit about how it has 'freed' the Iraqi citizens from that asshole dictator sadam.

Our goverment pre-emptively attacked Iraq for everything except what it has told you. The whole fiasco was tainted with the 911/WND/mushroom cloud fiction.

Oh, I forgot - it appears this is the only type of story you understand.
i seem to remember president clinton said sadem had weapons of mass destruction in the late nineties and also he needs to take alot of the blame for 9/11 sense bush was only in for 8 months and the attack took years to plan

[Mr, gone]

Smurf,

I agree that Bush Sr. didn't finish the job. Though using a bogus excuse over ten years later to finish it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. This countries people should be angry as hell that they were lied to.

9/11 was going to happen reguardless who was in office before. I'm convinced that the administration let it take place (impossible for a commercial jet to be allowed un- intercepted flight without a transponder for that long).

We won the battle but will have forever lost this war.

[Smurf-Herder]

Smurf,

I agree that Bush Sr. didn't finish the job. Though using a bogus excuse over ten years later to finish it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. This countries people should be angry as hell that they were lied to.

9/11 was going to happen reguardless who was in office before. I'm convinced that the administration let it take place (impossible for a commercial jet to be allowed un- intercepted flight without a transponder for that long).

We won the battle but will have forever lost this war.


Saddam had 90 days after signing the Gulf War ceasefire to give a full open accounting on everything and fully cooperate. He did not comply. And on two occassions in the mid 90s had troop buildups that threatened Kuwait; requiring Clinton to take countermeasures.

If Saddam had been taken out back in that timeframe, when Saddam's aggression was still a hot issue, would we have still been in Saudi Arabia in 2001? Would Al-Qaeda have had their excuse for 911?

We'll never know. But most of this in Iraq would have been behind us by now.

[Hog Trash]

Saddam had 90 days after signing the Gulf War ceasefire to give a full open accounting on everything and fully cooperate. He did not comply. And on two occassions in the mid 90s had troop buildups that threatened Kuwait; requiring Clinton to take countermeasures.

If Saddam had been taken out back in that timeframe, when Saddam's aggression was still a hot issue, would we have still been in Saudi Arabia in 2001? Would Al-Qaeda have had their excuse for 911?

We'll never know. But most of this in Iraq would have been behind us by now.

Coulda! Shoulda! Woulda!.....Maybe we wouldn't have this Obama threat hanging over our heads right now ether.

[Smurf-Herder]

Coulda! Shoulda! Woulda!.....Maybe we wouldn't have this Obama threat hanging over our heads right now ether.

It's fascinating to consider the web of consequences that can result, from making a single decision.

If Clinton had taken Saddam out and stabilized Iraq before the 2000 election, Al Gore might have been President for the last seven years.

[LogicallyYours]

Coulda! Shoulda! Woulda!.....Maybe we wouldn't have this Obama threat hanging over our heads right now ether.

spoken like a complete toolbag.

This is just more typical Republican "Fear and Smear" tactics. What it actually highlights is how little their candidate has to offer. McCain has no foreign policy and no economic policy or smarts. All he has...all he can do is wrap himself in the flag and hope that American can't see through it.

"Keating 5" anyone?

[Hog Trash]

spoken like a complete toolbag.

This is just more typical Republican "Fear and Smear" tactics. What it actually highlights is how little their candidate has to offer. McCain has no foreign policy and no economic policy or smarts. All he has...all he can do is wrap himself in the flag and hope that American can't see through it.

"Keating 5" anyone?

Here we go again!......The sheep think that anyone who is not a member of the Herd, must be a Republican.

I use to have this mental picture of you people struggling to feed yourselves and changing your own diapers.

Your ignorance and stupidity use to amaze me but it's not even funny any more.

I miss the old days and the comedy you provided.

[Smurf-Herder]

Here we go again!......The sheep think that anyone who is not a member of the Herd, must be a Republican.

I use to have this mental picture of you people struggling to feed yourselves and changing your own diapers.

Your ignorance and stupidity use to amaze me but it's not even funny any more.

I miss the old days and the comedy you provided.


HT, they've been conditioned over the past couple decades to be this way; and are ripe for the picking by someone like Obama.

[Independent Harry]

HT, they've been conditioned over the past couple decades to be this way; and are ripe for the picking by someone like Obama.

Whose been conditioning who?

[LogicallyYours]

Here we go again!......The sheep think that anyone who is not a member of the Herd, must be a Republican.

I use to have this mental picture of you people struggling to feed yourselves and changing your own diapers.

Your ignorance and stupidity use to amaze me but it's not even funny any more.

I miss the old days and the comedy you provided.

My apologies. I'm not used to seeing ignorant, fact-less comments coming from those "seasoned" citizens. I guess the idea that "wisdom" comes with age is just a myth.

With regard to changing diapers, you appear to be closer to that than me.

Enjoy.

[LogicallyYours]

HT, they've been conditioned over the past couple decades to be this way; and are ripe for the picking by someone like Obama.

Perhaps when you pull your head out of George Bush's ass, the fresh air may allow you to think more clearly.

[Hog Trash]

My apologies. I'm not used to seeing ignorant, fact-less comments coming from those "seasoned" citizens. I guess the idea that "wisdom" comes with age is just a myth.

With regard to changing diapers, you appear to be closer to that than me.

Enjoy.
LY, you should be ashamed of yourself.....Making fun of a helpless old man.....Do you think your Mother and Father would approve of your behavior?

[Smurf-Herder]

Perhaps when you pull your head out of George Bush's ass, the fresh air may allow you to think more clearly.


Fuck you.

I support Iraq. I think Rumsfeld seriously misjudged how to handle going in and establishing security initially. But Gates has a good handle on things since he took over.

I don't support Bush on everything.

[Mr, gone]

Al-Qaeda does not have, nor has ever had any ties to Iraq. They are just angry that the US keeps pissing in other countries sandboxes.

They are indeed a terroist organization who will use any excuse to propagate their agenda of violence. Kinda like the US does as well, only Al-Qaeda is at least honest as to why they are blowing things up.

This country masks it's imperialist ambitions under the guise of spreading freedom and democracy. Which is analogous to being a pusher giving Al-Qeada it's badly needed fix.

And so the visious cycle continues...

Stupid humans... :confused:

[SeedyROM]

IMO, this is critical.

I just saw an interview with McCain. In it, he made a good point. If Obama can't acknowledge what worked in Iraq, in terms of a counter-insurgency strategy, how can he be expected to succeed in Afghanistan?

Obama flipped on the counter-insurgency strategy after being critisized for not understanding the strategy and his lack of actually going to Iraq. I think he was partially pandering voters just to go against McCain and I aslso feel he doesn't have a good understanding of military strategy. His advisors showed the world that he has a lot to learn about politics and strategy!

[SeedyROM]

Smurfy,

Your not seeing the big picture. Stop fooling yourself that somehow this end justifed the means. What has THIS county actually reaped from this labor? And don't give me this bullshit about how it has 'freed' the Iraqi citizens from that asshole dictator sadam.

Our goverment pre-emptively attacked Iraq for everything except what it has told you. The whole fiasco was tainted with the 911/WND/mushroom cloud fiction.

Oh, I forgot - it appears this is the only type of story you understand.

You seem to forget Dems also believed the WMD scare because the scare and fear came from Saddam Hussein who clearly and openly threatened to use WMD's if the USA or Iran invaded. His words not the Bush administration.
Fear and paranoia have a way of seeping into military intelligence and presidential agenda. Bush screwed up, sure I'll agree with that, but we all know the answers were in Iraq, not writen on clandestine intelligence. I believe we could have waited, but paranoid men in power will act. But how long would we wait and how many would fall to genocide?

[Smurf-Herder]

Al-Qaeda does not have, nor has ever had any ties to Iraq. They are just angry that the US keeps pissing in other countries sandboxes.

They are indeed a terroist organization who will use any excuse to propagate their agenda of violence. Kinda like the US does as well, only Al-Qaeda is at least honest as to why they are blowing things up.

This country masks it's imperialist ambitions under the guise of spreading freedom and democracy. Which is analogous to being a pusher giving Al-Qeada it's badly needed fix.

And so the visious cycle continues...

Stupid humans... :confused:

If you're responding to me, did I mention AlQaeda?

I said Saddam was a menace that had to be removed since his ceasefire violations in the early 90s.

If you're not responding to me, then specify who.

[SeedyROM]

Smurf,

I'm convinced that the administration let it take place (impossible for a commercial jet to be allowed un- intercepted flight without a transponder for that long).


Oh you are one those idiots, explains the screen name!!!!!!:lmao2:

[Smurf-Herder]

Obama flipped on the counter-insurgency strategy after being critisized for not understanding the strategy and his lack of actually going to Iraq. I think he was partially pandering voters just to go against McCain and I aslso feel he doesn't have a good understanding of military strategy. His advisors showed the world that he has a lot to learn about politics and strategy!


I've seen everywhere that Obama claims to have 300 Foreign Policy Advisors. I want to know who the hell these people are, why he needs so many; and what year they graduate high school. :lmao2:

[SeedyROM]

I support Iraq. I think Rumsfeld seriously misjudged how to handle going in and establishing security initially. But Gates has a good handle on things since he took over.



Rumsfeld should have used air support to aid ground fights. Cobra's and Apache support to rip thru buildinga and kill insurgents. Both x-wing fighters are quite surgical. Air support would have intimidated many insurgents away or killed the off in the masses which would have worn down the enemy sooner. Rumsfeld did not see the Afgan style strategy that Afgans used on the Russian Army. Guerilla tactics in the streets of Iraq would have failed with a long period of aggressive air support. The people of Iraq would have fled and stayed away. I think such measures would have trimmed 2 or more years off this war/police action.

[Smurf-Herder]

Rumsfeld should have used air support to aid ground fights. Cobra's and Apache support to rip thru buildinga and kill insurgents. Both x-wing fighters are quite surgical. Air support would have intimidated many insurgents away or killed the off in the masses which would have worn down the enemy sooner. Rumsfeld did not see the Afgan style strategy that Afgans used on the Russian Army. Guerilla tactics in the streets of Iraq would have failed with a long period of aggressive air support. The people of Iraq would have fled and stayed away. I think such measures would have trimmed 2 or more years off this war/police action.


We should have gone in with twice as many troops and forced our hand about Turkey allowing us to come in from the North, in a pincer movement. It would have cut off Saddam loyalists who fled across the Syrian border, to organize the Fedayeen; and created a secure environment much sooner, with more troops in place.

Rumsfeld was worried about the US looking like an invading occupier (ironic, isn't it), but that screwed things up from the start, by not having enough forces to secure the peace; without having a sound plan for establishing a functional government. IMO, Rumsfeld was too arrogant and "old school" to fully undertand how to handle this type of war.

[SeedyROM]

We should have gone in with twice as many troops and forced our hand about Turkey allowing us to come in from the North, in a pincer movement. It would have cut off Saddam loyalists who fled across the Syrian border, to organize the Fedayeen; and created a secure environment much sooner, with more troops in place.

Rumsfeld was worried about the US looking like an invading occupier (ironic, isn't it), but that screwed things up from the start, by not having enough forces to secure the peace; without having a sound plan for establishing a functional government. IMO, Rumsfeld was too arrogant and "old school" to fully undertand how to handle this type of war.

I agree, Turkey and more troops would have change the war entirely.

Rumsfeld went from being a phamacutical CEO at Gilead Sciences to job he was not fully qualified for. I've always believed the SecDef should have Stars on his resume, military stars that is.

[Dale escondido]

I agree, Turkey and more troops would have change the war entirely.

Rumsfeld went from being a phamacutical CEO at Gilead Sciences to job he was not fully qualified for. I've always believed the SecDef should have Stars on his resume, military stars that is.

:thumbsup: anything else is to stupid for words

[Smurf-Herder]

I agree, Turkey and more troops would have change the war entirely.

Rumsfeld went from being a phamacutical CEO at Gilead Sciences to job he was not fully qualified for. I've always believed the SecDef should have Stars on his resume, military stars that is.

That's a serious flaw I've seen in Bush - stubborn loyalty to appointees after they've shown they aren't capable of handling their positions.

I originally thought Rumsfeld was a good choice - only because he had been a former Defense Seretary. But once I saw how we were going in, I knew we had a serious problem. After things settled a bit, I thought we might be okay. Then I saw the strategy in Iraq stumbling left and right. And with things getting worse after the Golden Mosque bombing, I knew this guy had to go. I'm just glad Bush finally came to his senses and put Gates in charge (although it was way overdue). He's really been on the ball, with everything I've seen so far.

[Dale escondido]

That's a serious flaw I've seen in Bush - stubborn loyalty to appointees after they've shown they aren't capable of handling their positions.

I originally thought Rumsfeld was a good choice - only because he had been a former Defense Seretary. But once I saw how we were going in, I knew we had a serious problem. After things settled a bit, I thought we might be okay. Then I saw the strategy in Iraq stumbling left and right. And with things getting worse after the Golden Mosque bombing, I knew this guy had to go. I'm just glad Bush finally came to his senses and put Gates in charge (although it was way overdue). He's really been on the ball, with everything I've seen so far.

Its hard to not understand the liberal distain for Bush, hes incompetent and come to reason way past reason being reasonable anymore.
Only my understanding of the muslim brotherhood and the 70 or more groups it has spawned makes me aware hes started a bunch of crap that would have only simmered for hundreds of years and maybe even fizzled out like the problems christian divisions endeavered and died out eventually.
The smallness of these minds has shifted their hatred for each other to us.
Now we do have to deal with it, on their level.
Thanks Georgy, the smallest mind of all

[Cat slave]

I still say the man is mentally ill...completely out of touch with reality.
Hes psychotic. I think his brain would work better if he was liquored up!

[Cat slave]

I have not voted for a Democrat or Republican presidential candidate in 20 years but Obama scares me so bad I may have to agree with your strategy.

Pass the Listerine if theirs any left. This is depressing as hell.

It sure is, HT!:(

[SeedyROM]

I often wonder how much influence Skull & Bones brothers influence Bush's decisions. This is more than just a fraternity, many men have joined and have become power players in all levels of government, Washington lobby and corporations. They have complete loyalty to and keep all secrets within. A cult of its own master race design.

[Mr, gone]

Seedy,

Genocide??? I guess our killing of over 500,000 inocent Iraq's as collateral damage is jusified in your mind. :disbelief:

[SeedyROM]

Seedy,

Genocide??? I guess our killing of over 500,000 inocent Iraq's as collateral damage is jusified in your mind. :disbelief:

Well at least you don't blame Saddam for lying about threats to use WMD's against our troops or Iran!!! :hi: :lmao2:

Is it 500,000 or 1 million, you people use so many different numbers its becoming quite obvious you spout out whatever is convenient. I'm sure man innocent people died, but we all know the majority fled the area. And how
many of those people who remained had guns, IED's or supported the insurgents?:banghead:

[Dale escondido]

Well at least you don't blame Saddam for lying about threats to use WMD's against our troops or Iran!!! :hi: :lmao2:

Is it 500,000 or 1 million, you people use so many different numbers its becoming quite obvious you spout out whatever is convenient. I'm sure man innocent people died, but we all know the majority fled the area. And how
many of those people who remained had guns, IED's or supported the insurgents?:banghead:

Again I state, if we are at war why do we allow everyone to be armed?
After we occupied Germany and Japan we let everyone keep auto weapons?
Does the new war strategy put a bulleye on every GI?
Lets stop trying to be polite, be firm, friendly when appropiate, and deadly.
Lets get this crap over.

[Smurf-Herder]

Again I state, if we are at war why do we allow everyone to be armed?
After we occupied Germany and Japan we let everyone keep auto weapons?
Does the new war strategy put a bulleye on every GI?
Lets stop trying to be polite, be firm, friendly when appropiate, and deadly.
Lets get this crap over.

It's basically their version of the right to bear arms for self-defense of their families. I agree, it's a serious probem. My kid told me about the rules of engagement. Iraqi civilians can walk down the street with an AK-47 and even point it at US troops. And they cannot be fired upon unless they actually pull the trigger first.

The Army has repeatedly had the problem of dealing with the media making the US look like trigger-happy maniacs everytime a civilian is killed.

[Dale escondido]

It's basically their version of the right to bear arms for self-defense of their families. I agree, it's a serious probem. My kid told me about the rules of engagement. Iraqi civilians can walk down the street with an AK-47 and even point it at US troops. And they cannot be fired upon unless they actually pull the trigger first.

The Army has repeatedly had the problem of dealing with the media making the US look like trigger-happy maniacs everytime a civilian is killed.

Every squad should have at least one hot trigger. Keeps the troops safe.
This is a war theatre. If someone is armed and not in a uniform he is potentially an enemy and should be at great risk just by being armed in a combat zone.

[Smurf-Herder]

Every squad should have at least one hot trigger. Keeps the troops safe.
This is a war theatre. If someone is armed and not in a uniform he is potentially an enemy and should be at great risk just by being armed in a combat zone.

Unfortunately, this leads to the media hype, jumped on by the left, which paints the US troops and contractors as loose cannons; and undermines the entire effort politically here at home.

[Dale escondido]

Unfortunately, this leads to the media hype, jumped on by the left, which paints the US troops and contractors as loose cannons; and undermines the entire effort politically here at home.

Thats why we have to make these wars brief.
Nation building is never brief.
Soldiers job is to defeat an enemy with predjustice. Dont punish them for doing their job. They have enough to deal with.
All wars are going to generate resistence at home eventually, war is hideous.
The nature with which this administration took us to war is as hideous as the act of war itself.
How do these guys dress themselves?

[Smurf-Herder]

Thats why we have to make these wars brief.
Nation building is never brief.
Soldiers job is to defeat an enemy with predjustice. Dont punish them for doing their job. They have enough to deal with.
All wars are going to generate resistence at home eventually, war is hideous.
The nature with which this administration took us to war is as hideous as the act of war itself.
How do these guys dress themselves?

The thing is, we're there now. And we have to deal with all the complexities involved, to make sure Iraq will remain stable before we pull out most of our forces. Otherwise, we could be right back where we started, only worse.

If we secure Afghanistan without assuring stability in Iraq, Al-Qaeda could just jump back to Iraq. And there's still Iranian agendas to consider.

We have to succeed in both theaters of operations, or we fail in the general war against muslim extremists, in the end.

[Dale escondido]

The thing is, we're there now. And we have to deal with all the complexities involved, to make sure Iraq will remain stable before we pull out most of our forces. Otherwise, we could be right back where we started, only worse.

If we secure Afghanistan without assuring stability in Iraq, Al-Qaeda could just jump back to Iraq. And there's still Iranian agendas to consider.

We have to succeed in both theaters of operations, or we fail in the general war against muslim extremists, in the end.
It is true we need to create a desirable resolution in Iraq weve been put in that posistion.
There are 70 plus terrorist groups I am aware of with different agendas.
We will never eliminate them totally. We just need to make the business of terror very dangerous for THEM not us. I really dont see any other solution to a problem with so many sources of causation.

[Smurf-Herder]

It is true we need to create a desirable resolution in Iraq weve been put in that posistion.
There are 70 plus terrorist groups I am aware of with different agendas.
We will never eliminate them totally. We just need to make the business of terror very dangerous for THEM not us. I really dont see any other solution to a problem with so many sources of causation.


But I really want to make my position clear - to everyone.

I feel it is time to start drawing down forces from Iraq. The security has improved considerably, the Iraqi security forces have improved immensely; and major strides have been made by all sides on political reconciliation. They understand that they need to cooperate, because the majority has embraced having a free country and realize they need to work together.

We just have to do it in a way and timeframe that maintains the stability we've obtained.

[Dale escondido]

But I really want to make my position clear - to everyone.

I feel it is time to start drawing down forces from Iraq. The security has improved considerably, the Iraqi security forces have improved immensely; and major strides have been made by all sides on political reconciliation. They understand that they need to cooperate, because the majority has embraced having a free country and realize they need to work together.

We just have to do it in a way and timeframe that maintains the stability we've obtained.

:thumbsup:

[SeedyROM]

Again I state, if we are at war why do we allow everyone to be armed?
After we occupied Germany and Japan we let everyone keep auto weapons?
Does the new war strategy put a bulleye on every GI?
Lets stop trying to be polite, be firm, friendly when appropiate, and deadly.
Lets get this crap over.

Every county has to be able to protect the people from other countries and from trouble within thier own country. Auto weapons are only dangerous in the hands of an aggressor. You'd have to ask a WWII historian for the answer because I'm sure back then people wanted to totally disarm Germany and Japan.

Another issue is our own 2nd Amendment, every arguement for disarming another country leads us to our Right to Bear Arms and the arguement would lead to don't they have a right to bear arms since we bear arms in the USA. A never ending headache for sure.

If the USA choose to totally disarm another country I'm sure we'd have even more enemies. However, Great Britain banned guns and they have about as many enemies as we have so its not a bad idea. So its debateable

Disarm the Middle East so they only have knives and swords like the pre-gunpowder days. We might see peace in the M.E.:thumbsup:

[SeedyROM]

It's basically their version of the right to bear arms for self-defense of their families. I agree, it's a serious probem. My kid told me about the rules of engagement. Iraqi civilians can walk down the street with an AK-47 and even point it at US troops. And they cannot be fired upon unless they actually pull the trigger first.

The Army has repeatedly had the problem of dealing with the media making the US look like trigger-happy maniacs everytime a civilian is killed.

I still have trouble with armed Iraqis walking around. I gives the good guy Iraqui's and thier citizens a sense of security that we are not thier to take over forever. But if an arguement can't be resolved, the streets become the OK Corral. I think they need to change the rules so that Iraqui citizens cannot point a gun at soldiers, its bad charma all around.

We do need to draw down troops and start concentrating on the Afgan problem. This will ease tensions at home and in Iraq. The M.E. is always going to be a hot bed of angry people.

I've been to Columbia a couple of times, the streets are filled with Uzi's and Mac 10's in certain areas, talk about feeling naked and vunderable. I actually thought about buying a gun and then mailing it home.

[Smurf-Herder]

I still have trouble with armed Iraqis walking around. I gives the good guy Iraqui's and thier citizens a sense of security that we are not thier to take over forever. But if an arguement can't be resolved, the streets become the OK Corral. I think they need to change the rules so that Iraqui citizens cannot point a gun at soldiers, its bad charma all around.

We do need to draw down troops and start concentrating on the Afgan problem. This will ease tensions at home and in Iraq. The M.E. is always going to be a hot bed of angry people.

I've been to Columbia a couple of times, the streets are filled with Uzi's and Mac 10's in certain areas, talk about feeling naked and vunderable. I actually thought about buying a gun and then mailing it home.

Actually, the whole country has been turning into a giant Neigborhood Watch. With more Iraqi Troops since Chris was there . With the guys they do security checks on being responsible for keeping watch on the people in their neighborhoods. It's kinda like having permanent officially paid private security cops on the beat; although each family is allowed one automatic rifle. Any wind of somebody having anything more and they get raided. Lots of informants have helped clean things up. My kid was there for the surge, so things were more confrontational then.

BTW, my Ex came over today. She told me Christopher got a shitload of medals for what they did in Sadr City. He called her from Fort Riley. He was supposed to go back in June of next year. But he just found out his orders changed. His unit, 4th Combat Brigade, 1st Infantry Division is now part of a Surge in Afghanistan; with no word on when they're getting deployed. He said it's definitely some kind of Surge, because that's what his unit does.

I kinda felt better when I thought he was just going back to Iraq, nearly a year from now.

I wonder if Bush has made the decision to let Israel primarily handle Iran, if it comes to that; so he could not leave Pakistan for the next guy.

[Mr, gone]

The three of you are posting here like pigs in slop. I can picture it now, all of you in the shower repeatedly dropping the soap with huge grins on your face. :lmao2:

[SeedyROM]

The three of you are posting here like pigs in slop. I can picture it now, all of you in the shower repeatedly dropping the soap with huge grins on your face. :lmao2:

Not our fault you have homosexual thoughts on the brain!!! Any man thinking of other men in the shower is a latent homosexual begging to come out!!:laugh:

[SeedyROM]

Actually, the whole country has been turning into a giant Neigborhood Watch. With more Iraqi Troops since Chris was there . With the guys they do security checks on being responsible for keeping watch on the people in their neighborhoods. It's kinda like having permanent officially paid private security cops on the beat; although each family is allowed one automatic rifle. Any wind of somebody having anything more and they get raided. Lots of informants have helped clean things up. My kid was there for the surge, so things were more confrontational then.

BTW, my Ex came over today. She told me Christopher got a shitload of medals for what they did in Sadr City. He called her from Fort Riley. He was supposed to go back in June of next year. But he just found out his orders changed. His unit, 4th Combat Brigade, 1st Infantry Division is now part of a Surge in Afghanistan; with no word on when they're getting deployed. He said it's definitely some kind of Surge, because that's what his unit does.

I kinda felt better when I thought he was just going back to Iraq, nearly a year from now.

I wonder if Bush has made the decision to let Israel primarily handle Iran, if it comes to that; so he could not leave Pakistan for the next guy.

Congrats on your son's awards!!! Sorry to hear he's not coming home soon!

The marines are building up and moving forward toward Afganistan. If we can cool down the Afgans there's a possibility that Pakistan could be avoided, it depends on the legitimate govt arresting the rogue elements in the military and govt.

Who knows about Israel, I hope Bush lets them make the first move. I'm not confident Iran is as tough as they suggest they are. Iran could have invaded Israel long ago with a small to medium scale attack. Nothing to eleborate that would encourge US involvement. I believe they fear Israel and the Allied support, they can't afford to lose the fission material.

[Dale escondido]

Actually, the whole country has been turning into a giant Neigborhood Watch. With more Iraqi Troops since Chris was there . With the guys they do security checks on being responsible for keeping watch on the people in their neighborhoods. It's kinda like having permanent officially paid private security cops on the beat; although each family is allowed one automatic rifle. Any wind of somebody having anything more and they get raided. Lots of informants have helped clean things up. My kid was there for the surge, so things were more confrontational then.

BTW, my Ex came over today. She told me Christopher got a shitload of medals for what they did in Sadr City. He called her from Fort Riley. He was supposed to go back in June of next year. But he just found out his orders changed. His unit, 4th Combat Brigade, 1st Infantry Division is now part of a Surge in Afghanistan; with no word on when they're getting deployed. He said it's definitely some kind of Surge, because that's what his unit does.

I kinda felt better when I thought he was just going back to Iraq, nearly a year from now.

I wonder if Bush has made the decision to let Israel primarily handle Iran, if it comes to that; so he could not leave Pakistan for the next guy.

Its nice to hear of such positive developments in such a choatic enviroment.
Glad you son is well.
When business takes me to the base at penelton, I am always impressed by these kids. Professional friendly upbeat.