If Congress Is Standing In The Way Of $2.00 Gasoline?

[Moby]

Why did the administration allow prices to more then double when the congress was controlled by the GOP?

I mean we could have started 3 years ago when gasoline first went over $3.00 right? Or even before when the price of oil doubled or tripled.

Why wait until an election year if you could have solved the problem sooner?

[Smurf-Herder]

Why did the administration allow prices to more then double when the congress was controlled by the GOP?

I mean we could have started 3 years ago when gasoline first went over $3.00 right? Or even before when the price of oil doubled or tripled.

Why wait until an election year if you could have solved the problem sooner?

Hey, the Democrats promised to fix it.

That's part of why they gained control. They were going to fix everything. Instead, they just let things fester, so they could blame everything on the GOP and help win the White House in 2008.

[Moby]

Hey, the Democrats promised to fix it.
Why keep playing the blame game and avoided the question?

I keep hearing that we could drastically drop oil prices and the people saying that are teh GOP. If they beleive that off shore drilling will cut prices more then 60% then why did they let it fester and wait until the election year?

I don't hear dems saying that we have to turn over our oil to the oil companies for national security. I hear that from the GOP and they could have done that years ago.

Why didn't they?

Would they rather lose an economy to win an election?

[Smurf-Herder]

Why keep playing the blame game and avoided the question?

I keep hearing that we could drastically drop oil prices and the people saying that are teh GOP. If they beleive that off shore drilling will cut prices more then 60% then why did they let it fester and wait until the election year?

I don't hear dems saying that we have to turn over our oil to the oil companies for national security. I hear that from the GOP and they could have done that years ago.

Why didn't they?

Would they rather lose an economy to win an election?

Who's playing the blame game? :talktothehand:

How do you "turn over the oil to the oil companies" when they are the ones to drill it?

I pretty much asked you this in another thread. Do you think the US government has some secret oil drilling service? It stays in the fucking ground until some oil company pays the government for the rights to take it out. Otherwise, it does nobody any good just sitting there underground.

I really hate your kindergarten logic. :(

[Moby]

[QUOTE=Smurf-HerderI pretty much asked you this in another thread. Do you think the US government has some secret oil drilling service? It stays in the fucking ground until some oil company pays the government for the rights to take it out. Otherwise, it does nobody any good just sitting there underground.[/QUOTE]
Why can't we create one?

Why can't we write a contract where we pay the oil companies to drill for the oil but we keep the oil? It's just a business deal.

We out source huge amounts of military and they're support. We out source most of the reconstruction in Iraq.

I've elxplained amny times to people that we dont' have the ability to drill the only but why can't we out source the drilling to the oil companies?

Option 1 is we allow the oil companies to pump the oil and they own it. They pay us a small fee and then ship the oil over seas where the USA has to buy it back. You understand this. Right?

Option 2 is we hire the oil companies to drill the oil. When the oil comes out the ground it belongs to the USA. It's our property. It goes to the USA government and not Japan or South America. We pay the oil companies for the cost drilling.

It's just a business deal but at the end of the day the oil belongs to the USA.

[Smurf-Herder]

Why can't we create one?

Why can't we write a contract where we pay the oil companies to drill for the oil but we keep the oil? It's just a business deal.

We out source huge amounts of military and they're support. We out source most of the reconstruction in Iraq.

I've elxplained amny times to people that we dont' have the ability to drill the only but why can't we out source the drilling to the oil companies?

Option 1 is we allow the oil companies to pump the oil and they own it. They pay us a small fee and then ship the oil over seas where the USA has to buy it back. You understand this. Right?

Option 2 is we hire the oil companies to drill the oil. When the oil comes out the ground it belongs to the USA. It's our property. It goes to the USA government and not Japan or South America. We pay the oil companies for the cost drilling.

It's just a business deal but at the end of the day the oil belongs to the USA.

1) What are you going to do with all that crude oil you don't have the capacity to refine?

2) If you could refine it, what nationally-owned gas stations are you going to use to distribute it to the consumers?

All that's happening now is, the US getting screwed out of the money we could be making in lease revenues and all the added costs to the oil companies from them - just because of the conspiracy fanatics' hatred of capitalism and the wealth of the major producers who supply us with our most essential needs. They have the ability, the capital and the infrastructure. The US government does not. The government has the natural resources without investing any capital; and the ability to just sit back and collect revenue from it, without having to spend a penny.

[Moby]

1) What are you going to do with all that crude oil you don't have the capacity to refine?

2) If you could refine it, what nationally-owned gas stations are you going to use to distribute it to the consumers?
Can't you think a little bit bigger then this?

This is the problem with the knee jerk reactions of an election year and an administration that's walking out the door and will live off the business deals put together during his time in the white house. (That's all Presidents).

Just because the radio drug addicts and the GOP say that we have to sign everything over today to the oil companies doesn't mean that we have to.

The next administration can create a comprehensive energy policy that includes a plan to get oil for America. Just because this administration doesn't want to do it why can't it be done? Americans used to be innovators. We used to look at technology and new solutions. We don't have to look at old tech and old ways of doing things.

We can out source the drilling. At the same time create refineries. At the same time increase the use of hybrids.

If we stop listening to the drug addicts and the emotional politicians and start looking for reasonable long term solution America is capable of coming up with great solutions.


I'm asking you why we can't do it and why we have to just and everything over to the oil companies?

[Smurf-Herder]

Can't you think a little bit bigger then this?

This is the problem with the knee jerk reactions of an election year and an administration that's walking out the door and will live off the business deals put together during his time in the white house. (That's all Presidents).

Just because the radio drug addicts and the GOP say that we have to sign everything over today to the oil companies doesn't mean that we have to.

The next administration can create a comprehensive energy policy that includes a plan to get oil for America. Just because this administration doesn't want to do it why can't it be done? Americans used to be innovators. We used to look at technology and new solutions. We don't have to look at old tech and old ways of doing things.

We can out source the drilling. At the same time create refineries. At the same time increase the use of hybrids.

If we stop listening to the drug addicts and the emotional politicians and start looking for reasonable long term solution America is capable of coming up with great solutions.


I'm asking you why we can't do it and why we have to just and everything over to the oil companies?


I go back to roadblocks every time a new refinery is proposed. And point two of my last post.

BTW, read what I edited at the end above.

You're basically talking about creating a brand new National Oil Company - competition for the already existing ones - with all the capital investment required.

I agree on more refineries. I think it's a foolish waste of tax payer money to duplicate the entire infrastructure of what private corporations already have in place.

All because you have a conspiracy obssession about the rich.

[Moby]

I think it's a foolish waste of tax payer money to duplicate the entire infrastructure of what private corporations already have in place.
Then why not just say so instead of constantly throwing shit up on the wall to see what sticks? Calm down. Turn off the TV. Collect your thoughts. Think for a few minutes.

Don't let them manipulate your emotions like this. You're a smart guy and should let them.

All because you have a conspiracy obsession about the rich.
What is my conspiracy obsession with the rich?


Look we disagree on an issue. I think that we need to keep the oil for economic and security reasons. You think that we should get revenue for it and allow the oil companies to do as they wish.

Calm down. It's OK to disagree.

[Moby]

Any way, the original title of this thread was if the dems are standing in the way of $2.00 a gallon gas then why did The GOP wait until an election year to bring it up when they could have fixed it years ago?

[Smurf-Herder]

Any way, the original title of this thread was if the dems are standing in the way of $2.00 a gallon gas then why did The GOP wait until an election year to bring it up when they could have fixed it years ago?

It wasn't recognized as a crisis until just before the 2006 elections. You know how slow Washington in general is about solving problems.

I admit both sides are to blame. But right now the Republicans are pushing for getting something done and the Democrats are playing politics with it. And things are twice as bad as they were in 2006, when oil was only $55-60 a barrel.

[Smurf-Herder]

Then why not just say so instead of constantly throwing shit up on the wall to see what sticks? Calm down. Turn off the TV. Collect your thoughts. Think for a few minutes.

Don't let them manipulate your emotions like this. You're a smart guy and should let them.


What is my conspiracy obsession with the rich?


Look we disagree on an issue. I think that we need to keep the oil for economic and security reasons. You think that we should get revenue for it and allow the oil companies to do as they wish.

Calm down. It's OK to disagree.

It's disagreeing about what is possible and makes sense.

Just keeping it in the ground is useless. And we still have it if we're drilling. It won't run out before we can make alternate energy sources efficent enough to build a national infrastructure around. Allowing drilling is having it in a useable form. The longer we wait, the longer it will take to be of any actual value.

[Dale escondido]

Why did the administration allow prices to more then double when the congress was controlled by the GOP?

I mean we could have started 3 years ago when gasoline first went over $3.00 right? Or even before when the price of oil doubled or tripled.

Why wait until an election year if you could have solved the problem sooner?

I think everytime we lose sight of the globalization agenda, whether your for or against it we lose focus.
Globalization is a re distributuin of wealth. Of course oil could be confined and contolled locally with great benefit. I dont think anybody except those who are radical enviromentalist would argue contrary.
In spite of the bullcrap out of Washington and the greed of business corp,things worked pretty well up until we started this global path.
As more and more business moves onto the worldwide market they are losing sight of us here.

[oneway]

When Democrats took control of congress gas was $2.30 a gallon?

Your higher than Barry "the crack man" Obama is?

[Moby]

When Democrats took control of congress gas was $2.30 a gallon?

Your higher than Barry "the crack man" Obama is?

The Internet is filled with reports of gasoline being over $3.00 a gallon as early as 2005. You should be able to find these. Are you sure it's me on crack? :D

September 3, 2005
Reality sinks in as gas hits $3 a gallon.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0198-253384_ITM

[oneway]

Gas was $2.30 a gallon on a National average when Democrats took over.

Gas is around $3.80 today. You can find gas in California at $4.50 today.

National Average!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Moby]

Gas was $2.30 a gallon on a National average when Democrats took over.

Gas is around $3.80 today. You can find gas in California at $4.50 today.

National Average!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't suppose you have any data to support that.

During the month of September 2006 doesn't count because gas prices fell right before the election. They were higher all year. We've discussed that many times here.

Bill showed data how in August 2006 more oil was pumped then at any time in history.

[Moby]

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html
Shows gasoline was up over $300 on average in 2006. Then the election campaign drop in prices and then it went right back up.

[Moby]

Either way.

We've been on the Bush and Dick energy policy for 7.5 years. It's the Bush economic policy. Why didn't these oil men decided to drill sooner?

[SeedyROM]

Dems had tech and internet stock scams to turn a blind eye to.

Reps turned a blind eye to big oil and housing.

Beware of big supporters of either party, those industries reign supreme when thier candidate wins. I guess the cheap gas days of the 1990's were forgotten by oneway aka wrongway.

Maybe when congressional approval ratings hit 2% we'll see some partisanship? They'll fix the oil crisis before they fix SSI. When Bush and Cheney are gone we'll see lower prices. I doubt McCain or Obama will side with big oil, both candidates want investigations. Scared money fears government investigations! Read OilWatchDog.com articles, fear is growing.

[oneway]

Sir Moby, yourman crush and defense of Barry makes me uncomfortable.
You love to be specific unless it does not fit into your argument. Again gas was $2.30 a gallon on average, the week the democrats took over congress, apparently based upon your figures, it supports my agrgument showing a .70 cent increase for the year!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for your support!!!!!

[SeedyROM]

Sir Moby, yourman crush and defense of Barry makes me uncomfortable.
You love to be specific unless it does not fit into your argument. Again gas was $2.30 a gallon on average, the week the democrats took over congress, apparently based upon your figures, it supports my agrgument showing a .70 cent increase for the year!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for your support!!!!!

So which year are you talking about? Pelosi took over in 2004 but the Reps controlled the House and Senate. So long as we have no energy policy and a president who refuses to order investigations and big oil games, and walstreet games we'll have high prices.

Both parties turned a blind eye to the 600% rise in oil!!!

In case you forgot, it takes a majority vote to place a Bill on the Presidents desk in most cases. These fools should have done something in when oi hit $60 a barrel, not $100!!

[bairdi]

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