Mexicans Returning to Mexico

[Binky]

Here's an article a friend sent me in which she got off the internet.

And I agree, it's too damn bad the rest of the states don't pass a law making it illegal for illegals to hold a job, or for companies to hire them.




Mexicans Returning To Mexico Causing Problems For Mexico


The shoe is on the other foot and the Mexicans from Sonora don't like it.
Can you believe the nerve of these people?

The state of Sonora is angry at Influx of Mexicans into Mexico .

Nine state legislators from the Mexican state of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona 's new employer crackdown
on illegals from Mexico .

It seems that many Mexican illegals are now returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are
ticked off about it.


A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to say Arizona 's new employer sanctions law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state.


At a news conference, the legislators said Sonora - Arizona's southern neighbor, made up of mostly small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as illegal Mexican workers here return to their hometowns without jobs or money.


The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States.

Penalties include suspension of, or loss of, their business license.


The Mexican legislators are angry because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a burden on their state government.

'How can they pass a law like this?' asked Mexican Rep. Leticia Amparano-Gamez, who represents Nogales.


'There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona ,' she said, speaking only in Spanish.


Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and sending money to their families return to hometowns in Sonora without jobs,' she said. 'We are one family, socially and economically,' she said of the people of Sonora and Arizona.

Wrong!


The United States is a sovereign nation, not a subsidiary of Mexico, and its citizens and taxpayers are not responsible for the welfare of Mexico's citizens.

It's time for the Mexican government, and its citizens, to stop parasitically feeding off of the United States and to start taking care of its/their own needs.

Too bad all the US states don't pass a law just like it, since our own congress will not do anything!

[Hog Trash]

Damn good article Binky. I for one think illegal immigration is the number one problem facing the United States.

Both major party presidential candidates are pro-amnesty and have either been bought off or are out of touch with what's going on in America.

A very serious situation for working Americans who must compete with this cheap labor especialy at a time when we are exporting jobs at an alarming rate, not to mention the extreme tax burden they have put on this nation.

The DemoPublicans seem to be doing everything possible to destroy the American dream for it's citizens. People better start paying attention before it's to late.

[Binky]

Damn good article Binky. I for one think illegal immigration is the number one problem facing the United States.

Both major party presidential candidates are pro-amnesty and have either been bought off or are out of touch with what's going on in America.

A very serious situation for working Americans who must compete with this cheap labor especialy at a time when we are exporting jobs at an alarming rate, not to mention the extreme tax burden they have put on this nation.

The DemoPublicans seem to be doing everything possible to destroy the American dream for it's citizens. People better start paying attention before it's to late.


Well, Hog Trash, it's a sad day when we'll have to cast a vote for one of those two. Maybe they have been both bought off AND are out of touch with America. You and I have been around long enough to know that you can't take the words of politicians at face value because all of them have been liars at one time or another. They've chosen a career where lying and cheating prevail over all else.

We have finally reached a point in our history where I find I'm at a cross road as to the consequences as to how I vote or if I choose not to instead. I don't want to vote for either of them. I don't feel they are worth the effort it takes for me to get to the voting booth. The inclination just isn't there this time. For the first time in my life, I am truly worried for our country. We are mired so deeply in the bog that our government has created, I don't know how in the world we are ever going to get out. And I lack faith that either of these men will be able to pull us out.

Anyway, Hog Trash, I may just end up saying to hell with it and at the last minute, cast my vote for Steven Ball of the constitutional party. I like what I've read about him and I'm just sick and tired of the bought and paid for creeps they keep setting up for us to vote for. They back us into a corner where we just want to run to an alternative candidate.

[Dale escondido]

Here's an article a friend sent me in which she got off the internet.

And I agree, it's too damn bad the rest of the states don't pass a law making it illegal for illegals to hold a job, or for companies to hire them.




Mexicans Returning To Mexico Causing Problems For Mexico


The shoe is on the other foot and the Mexicans from Sonora don't like it.
Can you believe the nerve of these people?

The state of Sonora is angry at Influx of Mexicans into Mexico .

Nine state legislators from the Mexican state of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona 's new employer crackdown
on illegals from Mexico .

It seems that many Mexican illegals are now returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are
ticked off about it.


A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to say Arizona 's new employer sanctions law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state.


At a news conference, the legislators said Sonora - Arizona's southern neighbor, made up of mostly small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as illegal Mexican workers here return to their hometowns without jobs or money.


The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States.

Penalties include suspension of, or loss of, their business license.


The Mexican legislators are angry because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a burden on their state government.

'How can they pass a law like this?' asked Mexican Rep. Leticia Amparano-Gamez, who represents Nogales.


'There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona ,' she said, speaking only in Spanish.


Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and sending money to their families return to hometowns in Sonora without jobs,' she said. 'We are one family, socially and economically,' she said of the people of Sonora and Arizona.

Wrong!


The United States is a sovereign nation, not a subsidiary of Mexico, and its citizens and taxpayers are not responsible for the welfare of Mexico's citizens.

It's time for the Mexican government, and its citizens, to stop parasitically feeding off of the United States and to start taking care of its/their own needs.

Too bad all the US states don't pass a law just like it, since our own congress will not do anything!

For those of you unfamiliar with San Diego proper, If we did this here the city would disappear. English is hardly spoken here anymore.
GREAT story.

[Binky]

For those of you unfamiliar with San Diego proper, If we did this here the city would disappear. English is hardly spoken here anymore.
GREAT story.


Which in itself is sad. An English only law should be enforced. And CA is a state full of liberals with behaviors unbecoming to those of us that still believe in having some morals. It's a state where "anything goes" and you can thank Hollywood for that. It's progressively gotten worse over the last 50 years.

[bairdi]

...bump...

[Dale escondido]

Which in itself is sad. An English only law should be enforced. And CA is a state full of liberals with behaviors unbecoming to those of us that still believe in having some morals. It's a state where "anything goes" and you can thank Hollywood for that. It's progressively gotten worse over the last 50 years.

What is sad about it is you start to feel like it must be everywhere.
I just spent two weeks in Keller Tx. and only saw two hispanics speaking spanish at the carwash. Made me feel better.

[Binky]

What is sad about it is you start to feel like it must be everywhere.
I just spent two weeks in Keller Tx. and only saw two hispanics speaking spanish at the carwash. Made me feel better.


Well, I'm in northern Michigan and I haven't seen that as yet. However, there are more and more minorities moving into the area. I have met several and have not had any problems with any of them.


From what I've seen, here in Michigan, the majority of the mexicans speak English. Which is as it should be, since this IS an English speaking country. However, I would imagine any illegals hiding here don't. And it's a shame how the powers that be are trying to steal Engish from us and sooner or later, this is going to be a Spanish speaking country.

I'm toying with the idea of learning to speak it, even tho' I think it's a pain in the butt to learn and speak since they use too many words or say something backwards to get to the same meaning we do in English. Goofy, for sure!

[Dale escondido]

Well, I'm in northern Michigan and I haven't seen that as yet. However, there are more and more minorities moving into the area. I have met several and have not had any problems with any of them.


From what I've seen, here in Michigan, the majority of the mexicans speak English. Which is as it should be, since this IS an English speaking country. However, I would imagine any illegals hiding here don't. And it's a shame how the powers that be are trying to steal Engish from us and sooner or later, this is going to be a Spanish speaking country.

I'm toying with the idea of learning to speak it, even tho' I think it's a pain in the butt to learn and speak since they use too many words or say something backwards to get to the same meaning we do in English. Goofy, for sure!

Being in manufacturing I have been around hispanic people since the 70s.
I have no issue with them coming learning language and working here.
Now Los Angeles is 53% spanish speaking and the state is 47%.
These new immigrants are not assimilating. They are changing the culture here and are not subject to laws like Americans.
There is a culture of fear and anger brewing here.
Some schools are totally hispanic here, I am not kidding. Illegals bring their kids across the border everyday to go to school.
32 emergency rooms have closed in southern California because illegals use them for primary care as they are uninsured.
I hope I am not becoming a bigot, but there is no difference between city heights downtown and ensenada mexico.

[Hog Trash]

Being in manufacturing I have been around hispanic people since the 70s.
I have no issue with them coming learning language and working here.
Now Los Angeles is 53% spanish speaking and the state is 47%.
These new immigrants are not assimilating. They are changing the culture here and are not subject to laws like Americans.
There is a culture of fear and anger brewing here.
Some schools are totally hispanic here, I am not kidding. Illegals bring their kids across the border everyday to go to school.
32 emergency rooms have closed in southern California because illegals use them for primary care as they are uninsured.
I hope I am not becoming a bigot, but there is no difference between city heights downtown and ensenada mexico.

I don't believe you are guilty of bigotry. Latino's, especialy Mexicans are my favorite foreigners. They are friendly, family oriented and the hardest working people I know and it is nearly impossible for them to support their families on Mexican wages.

Their politicians are even more corrupt than our own and have raped their nation. They have come here in such high numbers and over such a short period of time that assimilation has not been necessary. With them they bring their voting habits which CAUSED the reason they have to leave their own country. Without realizing it they are destroying the reason they came here and in doing so are destroying a way of life for those of us who are already here.

The wealthy elite are globalists and need no borders or country to depend on. Open borders and cheap labor means more profit which translates into wealth and power so open borders and amnesty is their goal. The rest of us can ether work for Mexican Wages or starve, it means nothing to them. The bottom line is all that matters.

[Binky]

Being in manufacturing I have been around hispanic people since the 70s.
I have no issue with them coming learning language and working here.
Now Los Angeles is 53% spanish speaking and the state is 47%.
These new immigrants are not assimilating. They are changing the culture here and are not subject to laws like Americans.
There is a culture of fear and anger brewing here.
Some schools are totally hispanic here, I am not kidding. Illegals bring their kids across the border everyday to go to school.
32 emergency rooms have closed in southern California because illegals use them for primary care as they are uninsured.
I hope I am not becoming a bigot, but there is no difference between city heights downtown and ensenada mexico.


It is just amazing to me that we allow illegals to enter EVERY DAY and take their kids to OUR SCHOOLS THAT WE PAY FOR. I haven't heard of any money come from them or Mexico to help educate them. It's disgusting. And if I had a business that was being taken advantage of and my customers ( or patients) didn't pay me, I'd close my doors as well.

It has seemed for awhile now that our politicans have a desire to destroy this country and aid in it's demise. They won't be happy until we're all held captive of a new world order or muslim terrany. That's why they will NEVER close our borders. They have NO INTENTION of doing so. And any blind man could see that. If they did, they would have been working on it for years now. Instead, they'd rather arrest, indict and send to prison, border patrol agents for doing their jobs and killing an illegal that was blatantly coming across the border illegally. Makes a lot of sense to me.....:banghead:

Are we still living in America? The land of the free and home of the brave? I don't know anymore as it's changing so rapidly for the negative I'm beginning to wonder.

This is not our forefathers America.

[Smurf-Herder]

Here's my thoughts on what we should do.

1) Get serious about securing our borders

2) Streamline the immigration process, without compromising security - for immigrants who want to become US citizens.

3) Tell Mexico to get their shit together - they're our second biggest supplier of imported oil, have huge tourism and agriculture industries; and companies have left the US to move there. WTF is their problem?

4) Initiate a national consumer service program - people on welfare and the homeless could be given the opportunity to be relocated to where the jobs are that people say Americans won't do (or do for what the wages are), and paid the lower wage illegals have been paid, with guaranteed free housing and medical care (which they basically already have now). Giving them the opportunity to be productive citizens who can pay back what they cost taxpayers to support them, by working for their living.

[SeedyROM]

Mexico is poorly run by facist greedy pigs who keep all the money and control at the top.

Did they ever consider that all NAFTA jobs created also required salary/wage raises to keep pace with inflation or were they conspiriing with US corporations to keep incomes low?

Why didn't Clinton's NAFTA treaty require corporations to raise wages too ? Raise wages, keep inflation in check so Mexico could grow and its people would prosper. Instead Mexicans come here and now a few are returning to a poorly run country that whines and crys foul when they should have managed the country better.

And people wonder why we try to help the world and all they do is get mad and act like a child that refuses to listen to the education coming from adults.

[Smurf-Herder]

Mexico is poorly run by facist greedy pigs who keep all the money and control at the top.

Did they ever consider that all NAFTA jobs created also required salary/wage raises to keep pace with inflation or were they conspiriing with US corporations to keep incomes low?

Why didn't Clinton's NAFTA treaty require corporations to raise wages too ? Raise wages, keep inflation in check so Mexico could grow and its people would prosper. Instead Mexicans come here and now a few are returning to a poorly run country that whines and crys foul when they should have managed the country better.

And people wonder why we try to help the world and all they do is get mad and act like a child that refuses to listen to the education coming from adults.

To one extent or another, all that is true. But we have to have some coordinated plan we can work on, from where we find ourselves today; and actually follow through with it. The main problem, as usual, is Washington, with all their agendas and special interest groups.

[SeedyROM]

To one extent or another, all that is true. But we have to have some coordinated plan we can work on, from where we find ourselves today; and actually follow through with it. The main problem, as usual, is Washington, with all their agendas and special interest groups.

Yup and Obama plans to send US jobs to the middle east, so far his plan is similar to Clintons. Give them our jobs with no hope of growth of income. Every President has made this mistake, letting special interests control how jobs are sent abroad. They want cheap labor with no hopes for living beyond the next paycheck.

[Dale escondido]

The solutions are so simple but the will to achieve them are not there.
Stop the social programs to non citizens, general relief wic welfare etc.
verifiable ID. with matching social security.
It would be done, nothing else would be needed.
They drive here uninsured, unlicensed and no tags and if they are stopped police have to let them go if ICE doesnt respond in 20 minutes, which they dont bother with anymore.
My conclusion is that they are seen as necessary to create a lower priced labor market to help US compete in the global economy. But they are driving wages down in a world where prices are rising.
Look at Oklahomas success and almost 0 unemployment since they made work impossible for illegals, Phoenix is trying it now and Sonora sent 9 officials to Phoenix to complain that the flood of citizens returning were a burden on their city economy.

[Cat slave]

Being in manufacturing I have been around hispanic people since the 70s.
I have no issue with them coming learning language and working here.
Now Los Angeles is 53% spanish speaking and the state is 47%.
These new immigrants are not assimilating. They are changing the culture here and are not subject to laws like Americans.
There is a culture of fear and anger brewing here.
Some schools are totally hispanic here, I am not kidding. Illegals bring their kids across the border everyday to go to school.
32 emergency rooms have closed in southern California because illegals use them for primary care as they are uninsured.
I hope I am not becoming a bigot, but there is no difference between city heights downtown and ensenada mexico.

This issue is not about immigration or legal or not....this is an invasion!
It became an invasion when they stated their intent to take land, change
culture and language and soak up resources. And this government is
guilty of treason for not protecting our country from foreign invasion!
And its almost funny because the joke will be on them....this will become
the country they all left! A third world, welfare state.

And the NWO is creeping in the back door.

[Cat slave]

Here's my thoughts on what we should do.

1) Get serious about securing our borders

2) Streamline the immigration process, without compromising security - for immigrants who want to become US citizens.

3) Tell Mexico to get their shit together - they're our second biggest supplier of imported oil, have huge tourism and agriculture industries; and companies have left the US to move there. WTF is their problem?

4) Initiate a national consumer service program - people on welfare and the homeless could be given the opportunity to be relocated to where the jobs are that people say Americans won't do (or do for what the wages are), and paid the lower wage illegals have been paid, with guaranteed free housing and medical care (which they basically already have now). Giving them the opportunity to be productive citizens who can pay back what they cost taxpayers to support them, by working for their living.


Good plan!

My suggestion is to enforce laws and encourage self deportation.

[Kanadesaga]

How many???

[Binky]

This issue is not about immigration or legal or not....this is an invasion!
It became an invasion when they stated their intent to take land, change
culture and language and soak up resources. And this government is
guilty of treason for not protecting our country from foreign invasion!
And its almost funny because the joke will be on them....this will become
the country they all left! A third world, welfare state.

And the NWO is creeping in the back door.

Yes, we sure have been invaded. How can it be anything else? When a country has millions upon millions of illegals sneaking in year after year, that's an invasion.

And the people creating the NWO are sitting back, enjoying their handiwork and waiting for the day when they can finally step in and take total control. They are letting these people enter and stay because they serve their purpose, which is the dumbing down of America. The dumber the populous, the easier they are to control. And believe me, the more that enter here by illegal means will definitely bring the IQ of the population down to a new low. People will no longer be able to stick their noses in the air at particular jobs. They will have to do ones they hate. Ones that are totally different from anything they've ever had to do. Somewhere, some place, there will be a lot of "shoveling shit" taking place.

The powers that be want a one world government. They will stop at nothing to get this NWO up and running. They want to do away with the middle class. They are shooting for only the very rich and the poor. The poor will be the slaves. That is, if they let us live. Believe me, nobody has to tell me how kookie this all sounds. But kookie or not, past events and with todays times combined, are all aligned in that direction. They're taking the jobs out of the country. There will be less and less work. People won't be able to support their families. Yet, the government frowns on welfare and will either take it away, or make it even more difficult to get assistance. So then the people are left with one alternative. Which is to form tent camps all over the country because they lost their jobs and couldn't make house payments and rent. So they end up living in these camps, just trying to survive.

This is the way this country is headed. And if people haven't caught on to any of this and believe the world is all warm and fuzzy and that what happens elsewhere, stays elsewhere, then they are fools and deserve to be slaves.

[Binky]

The solutions are so simple but the will to achieve them are not there.
Stop the social programs to non citizens, general relief wic welfare etc.
verifiable ID. with matching social security.
It would be done, nothing else would be needed.
They drive here uninsured, unlicensed and no tags and if they are stopped police have to let them go if ICE doesnt respond in 20 minutes, which they dont bother with anymore.
My conclusion is that they are seen as necessary to create a lower priced labor market to help US compete in the global economy. But they are driving wages down in a world where prices are rising.
Look at Oklahomas success and almost 0 unemployment since they made work impossible for illegals, Phoenix is trying it now and Sonora sent 9 officials to Phoenix to complain that the flood of citizens returning were a burden on their city economy.


Yeah, sorta like, "if you build it they will come." But this would be, "if you take it away, they will leave."

Yep, cheaper labor, for sure. Maybe one day all the states will wake up and make laws such as these as well. Only time will tell. In the meantime, our country is gradually being pulled down to the third world level as more and more illegals are allowed to sneak in and bring with them their third world mentalities.

[Dale escondido]

Yeah, sorta like, "if you build it they will come." But this would be, "if you take it away, they will leave."

Yep, cheaper labor, for sure. Maybe one day all the states will wake up and make laws such as these as well. Only time will tell. In the meantime, our country is gradually being pulled down to the third world level as more and more illegals are allowed to sneak in and bring with them their third world mentalities.

My travels around the states give me hope.
California is a lost cause. If a solution comes ,here will be the last place to see it.
The poor economy is sending many back to Mexico.
I have always thought if we are going to globalize, lets work almost exclusively with our neighbors and adapt policy that strenghtens their economy which would strenghten our border.
(spp.gov report to leaders), is a site laying out the plan to merge the three countries US Canada and Mexico.
The problem is as always with inept leadership, we are not improving Mexicos economy we are draining ours.
If Bush, Calderon or Fox actually cared about citizens they would see there one world continent plans are a folly.

[Cat slave]

My travels around the states give me hope.
California is a lost cause. If a solution comes ,here will be the last place to see it.
The poor economy is sending many back to Mexico.
I have always thought if we are going to globalize, lets work almost exclusively with our neighbors and adapt policy that strenghtens their economy which would strenghten our border.
(spp.gov report to leaders), is a site laying out the plan to merge the three countries US Canada and Mexico.
The problem is as always with inept leadership, we are not improving Mexicos economy we are draining ours.
If Bush, Calderon or Fox actually cared about citizens they would see there one world continent plans are a folly.


Exactly! You nailed it.

[Cat slave]

Yes, we sure have been invaded. How can it be anything else? When a country has millions upon millions of illegals sneaking in year after year, that's an invasion.

And the people creating the NWO are sitting back, enjoying their handiwork and waiting for the day when they can finally step in and take total control. They are letting these people enter and stay because they serve their purpose, which is the dumbing down of America. The dumber the populous, the easier they are to control. And believe me, the more that enter here by illegal means will definitely bring the IQ of the population down to a new low. People will no longer be able to stick their noses in the air at particular jobs. They will have to do ones they hate. Ones that are totally different from anything they've ever had to do. Somewhere, some place, there will be a lot of "shoveling shit" taking place.

The powers that be want a one world government. They will stop at nothing to get this NWO up and running. They want to do away with the middle class. They are shooting for only the very rich and the poor. The poor will be the slaves. That is, if they let us live. Believe me, nobody has to tell me how kookie this all sounds. But kookie or not, past events and with todays times combined, are all aligned in that direction. They're taking the jobs out of the country. There will be less and less work. People won't be able to support their families. Yet, the government frowns on welfare and will either take it away, or make it even more difficult to get assistance. So then the people are left with one alternative. Which is to form tent camps all over the country because they lost their jobs and couldn't make house payments and rent. So they end up living in these camps, just trying to survive.

This is the way this country is headed. And if people haven't caught on to any of this and believe the world is all warm and fuzzy and that what happens elsewhere, stays elsewhere, then they are fools and deserve to be slaves.

And so will the ones of us who have seen the handwriting on the wall and
have fought it using the system in place and the only thing at our disposal, which
is corrupt and stand ready to take their place as the elite group and the
rest of us will be on that so cherished ideal of a "level playing field"...the
bottom!

And dont you just spit nails when "they" take to the streets demanding that
OUR laws not be enforced? What the hell rights do they have to demand
diddly squat???? Move em up, head em out....or thats Rawhide....would
work here too.:D

[Dale escondido]

And so will the ones of us who have seen the handwriting on the wall and
have fought it using the system in place and the only thing at our disposal, which
is corrupt and stand ready to take their place as the elite group and the
rest of us will be on that so cherished ideal of a "level playing field"...the
bottom!

And dont you just spit nails when "they" take to the streets demanding that
OUR laws not be enforced? What the hell rights do they have to demand
diddly squat???? Move em up, head em out....or thats Rawhide....would
work here too.:D

I am always wondering where is the breaking point?
Where are the angry citizens?
If we allow this to continue then we deserve to lose our country.

[Binky]

And so will the ones of us who have seen the handwriting on the wall and
have fought it using the system in place and the only thing at our disposal, which
is corrupt and stand ready to take their place as the elite group and the
rest of us will be on that so cherished ideal of a "level playing field"...the
bottom!

And dont you just spit nails when "they" take to the streets demanding that
OUR laws not be enforced? What the hell rights do they have to demand
diddly squat???? Move em up, head em out....or thats Rawhide....would
work here too.:D

Yeah, who do they think they are, these third world cretians, to sneak here and protest for this and that? How dare they? They need to get their own country in order rather than demanding that we pay them in one form or another. Makes me want to throw up.

[Dale escondido]

Yeah, who do they think they are, these third world cretians, to sneak here and protest for this and that? How dare they? They need to get their own country in order rather than demanding that we pay them in one form or another. Makes me want to throw up.

I always figured they thought it was easier to take our country than theirs. They got the ACLuuuuu and la razza they got Schwartzanager they got major Sanders and that L.A. major whats his name.
In their country they use monies from US aid programs to deport illegals from their southern borders. They also shoot them when appropiate then turn around and Calderon says we need to be MORE compassionate with our border policies.
I guess their country would be much more hard to take over?

[Binky]

I always figured they thought it was easier to take our country than theirs. They got the ACLuuuuu and la razza they got Schwartzanager they got major Sanders and that L.A. major whats his name.
In their country they use monies from US aid programs to deport illegals from their southern borders. They also shoot them when appropiate then turn around and Calderon says we need to be MORE compassionate with our border policies.
I guess their country would be much more hard to take over?


Could be, since in ours the powers that be would rather turn their backs and let them do or have whatever they want.

[Dale escondido]

Could be, since in ours the powers that be would rather turn their backs and let them do or have whatever they want.

Cheap labor that all
And we have to compete with them for work.
Great for business, you know American business doesnt exist anymore just global enterprizes.

[Binky]

Cheap labor that all
And we have to compete with them for work.
Great for business, you know American business doesnt exist anymore just global enterprizes.


Unfortunately, that is true. A sad state of affairs.

[Dale escondido]

Unfortunately, that is true. A sad state of affairs.

I am encourage by this thread. I though there must be no interest in this issue back east.
Also its seems an issue that crosses the party lines.
How can we not have a candidate with any intention of resolving this when it is obvious such a hot button here?
I know the rhetoric but havent heard any real solutions from either.
No benefits, no jobs and no fence is needed.
Hell Mexico might build one to keep them from being flooded from the returnees.

[Hog Trash]

I am encourage by this thread. I though there must be no interest in this issue back east.
Also its seems an issue that crosses the party lines.
How can we not have a candidate with any intention of resolving this when it is obvious such a hot button here?
I know the rhetoric but havent heard any real solutions from either.
No benefits, no jobs and no fence is needed.
Hell Mexico might build one to keep them from being flooded from the returnees.
The main reason it has become a national issue is BECAUSE it finally hit the eastern states. At one time, only Miami, Chicago and the New York-New Jersy area were the only places east of the Mississippi River affected and considering the existing population and foreigner factor, was not noticed and taken for granted.

But every town and city, regardless of size, has been hit and hit hard and people are feeling the tax burden, crime and cultural barriers that have appeared in the last 10 to 20 years.

Lobbyist working for Corporations and Unions, who stand to profit from the cheap labor and millions of new dues paying members, have flooded the Capital with money to buy influence.

The politicians have attempted to grant amnesty as they were payed off to do by the lobbyist. The polititions, not expecting the backlash from the people, who began ringing their phones off the hooks and a flood of mail and E-mail, has halted their plan.

But the battle with a hostile congress and executive office continues. Both Presidential Candidates have openly announced that they are pro-amnesty. The battle continues. It's a shame that we have to fight with our government to do the right thing.

The payoff must be enormous and to both sides of the isle. Unity is the only weapon we have against our government.

[Dale escondido]

The main reason it has become a national issue is BECAUSE it finally hit the eastern states. At one time, only Miami, Chicago and the New York-New Jersy area were the only places east of the Mississippi River affected and considering the existing population and foreigner factor, was not noticed and taken for granted.

But every town and city, regardless of size, has been hit and hit hard and people are feeling the tax burden, crime and cultural barriers that have appeared in the last 10 to 20 years.

Lobbyist working for Corporations and Unions, who stand to profit from the cheap labor and millions of new dues paying members, have flooded the Capital with money to buy influence.

The politicians have attempted to grant amnesty as they were payed off to do by the lobbyist. The polititions, not expecting the backlash from the people, who began ringing their phones off the hooks and a flood of mail and E-mail, has halted their plan.

But the battle with a hostile congress and executive office continues. Both Presidential Candidates have openly announced that they are pro-amnesty. The battle continues. It's a shame that we have to fight with our government to do the right thing.

The payoff must be enormous and to both sides of the isle. Unity is the only weapon we have against our government.


We need to stay focused on this cause we are definitly losing this one.
Here in San Diego there are minor road rage incidents daily just based on race.
You cant go to stores and not be eye balled by hardasses.
Dont get me wrong on this there are mostly friendly exchanges, but the negatives are growing not decreasing here.

[Binky]

The main reason it has become a national issue is BECAUSE it finally hit the eastern states. At one time, only Miami, Chicago and the New York-New Jersy area were the only places east of the Mississippi River affected and considering the existing population and foreigner factor, was not noticed and taken for granted.

But every town and city, regardless of size, has been hit and hit hard and people are feeling the tax burden, crime and cultural barriers that have appeared in the last 10 to 20 years.

Lobbyist working for Corporations and Unions, who stand to profit from the cheap labor and millions of new dues paying members, have flooded the Capital with money to buy influence.

The politicians have attempted to grant amnesty as they were payed off to do by the lobbyist. The polititions, not expecting the backlash from the people, who began ringing their phones off the hooks and a flood of mail and E-mail, has halted their plan.

But the battle with a hostile congress and executive office continues. Both Presidential Candidates have openly announced that they are pro-amnesty. The battle continues. It's a shame that we have to fight with our government to do the right thing.

The payoff must be enormous and to both sides of the isle. Unity is the only weapon we have against our government.


Hey Hog Trash, everything you've said here sounds feasible to me. They HAVE to be getting a huge payoff, or what would be the point? I just don't see any other reason why BOTH candidates would be pro-amnesty. Why would they sell their country down the drain if it wasn't because they were getting some sort of monstrous kickback?

I'm telling ya, Hoggie, I sure would not want to run for office. You have to compromise your beliefs and morals. And I'm not willing to do that. My soul will never be sold to the devil for anyone or anything.

[Cat slave]

Ditto...money and power. Mostly money.

[Cat slave]

On the local news last night I saw a story on people in Franklin (any one
in TN knows what a nice place Franklin is), anyway, it was teaching the
community about gangs. OMG, most of them couldnt even speak English!
Franklin is old money and a very desirable place to live if you can afford it,
but what I saw was a shock. There was only one resident who spoke
English. WTF has happened? Now its not just the burbs but the historical
towns where it used to be considered really nice. Now they have gangs
and people who cant speak English.....the two are most likely connected.
Hello?

[Dale escondido]

Actually think this might be an issue that will unite this nation.
I am half way between San Diego and L.A., as rural as you can get here in so. calif.
But los angeles and downtown san diego are ganglands. I remember going to Detroit on business once and a cabby wouldnt take me thru an area because of gangs. I thought he was just trying to increase fares until talking to locals.
Thought how could there be such a place in US.
Its everywhere now. I think I will move to mexico when they are all here. Might be peaceful?

[SeedyROM]

Mexico won't allow illegals from Honduras and Guatemala to work in Mexico.....they put them on a bus and send them right back. They put them in jail until they have a bus load and then the bus rolls. No court hearings. So the nerve they have is a double standard: they say do what benefits Mexico, at a cost to your own country. Whoa - that's what they are saying to the Guatemalans who come into Mexico - you are taking jobs our people need......go home.

[Hog Trash]

Hey Hog Trash, everything you've said here sounds feasible to me. They HAVE to be getting a huge payoff, or what would be the point? I just don't see any other reason why BOTH candidates would be pro-amnesty. Why would they sell their country down the drain if it wasn't because they were getting some sort of monstrous kickback?

I'm telling ya, Hoggie, I sure would not want to run for office. You have to compromise your beliefs and morals. And I'm not willing to do that. My soul will never be sold to the devil for anyone or anything.
The Government is bought off by Corprate and Union lobbyist.

There is no other explanation unless people believe these politicians are not aware of the tax burden, crime and decreased American wages brought about by illegal immigrants.

All the indicaters point to standard political corruption on a very large scale. My guess is, this is one of the biggest Government pay offs in history, so far.

[Hog Trash]

Mexico won't allow illegals from Honduras and Guatemala to work in Mexico.....they put them on a bus and send them right back. They put them in jail until they have a bus load and then the bus rolls. No court hearings. So the nerve they have is a double standard: they say do what benefits Mexico, at a cost to your own country. Whoa - that's what they are saying to the Guatemalans who come into Mexico - you are taking jobs our people need......go home.
We can't blame Mexico for doing what's good for Mexicans.

We can only hope America starts doing what's right for Americans.

But with Obama and McCain both determined pro-amnesty candidates, it looks as if nothing is going to change in the near future.

They have taken to much of the Lobbyist money and made to many promises to the Latino community in exchange for votes, to do whats right for America.

[Cat slave]

Actually think this might be an issue that will unite this nation.
I am half way between San Diego and L.A., as rural as you can get here in so. calif.
But los angeles and downtown san diego are ganglands. I remember going to Detroit on business once and a cabby wouldnt take me thru an area because of gangs. I thought he was just trying to increase fares until talking to locals.
Thought how could there be such a place in US.
Its everywhere now. I think I will move to mexico when they are all here. Might be peaceful?

I hope youre right about the unity thing. We need something!! Im not
understanding why the NAACP isnt all over this illegal alien thing. Soon
black people wont be able to claim a "minority" status with its perks...wait,
we will be the minority!!!! Illegals take the jobs from the people least
able to lose them and are in competition for services. When that dawns
on one of the "brains" like Jackson or Sharpton, oh boy, look out....its
gonna hit the fan big time. Too bad they are so slow on the uptake.

[Cat slave]

Mexico won't allow illegals from Honduras and Guatemala to work in Mexico.....they put them on a bus and send them right back. They put them in jail until they have a bus load and then the bus rolls. No court hearings. So the nerve they have is a double standard: they say do what benefits Mexico, at a cost to your own country. Whoa - that's what they are saying to the Guatemalans who come into Mexico - you are taking jobs our people need......go home.


Mexico doesnt want to import some other countrys welfare class but freely
export theirs! Works for them. They get rid of the underclass and the
said same break in here, pile up to live and send major $$ back to Mexico.
Quite a scam theyve got going.

[Hog Trash]

A cousin E-Mailed me this from Houston Tx.
____________________________________
EMERGENCY ROOM....

The other day, I needed to go to the emergency room.

Not wanting to sit there for 4 hours, I put on my old ARMY fatigues and stuck a patch that I had downloaded off the Internet onto the front of my shirt.

When I went into the E.R., I noticed that 3/4 of the people got up and left. I guess they decided that they weren't that sick after all….. Cut at least 3 hours off my waiting time.

Here's the patch. Feel free to use it the next time you're in need of quicker emergency service.

ATT800865.jpg (73.3 KB)
[The patch read "US BORDER PATROL"]
[Sorry, the patch didn't paste]

It also works well if you ever have to use a Laundromat�...

[SeedyROM]

We can't blame Mexico for doing what's good for Mexicans.

We can only hope America starts doing what's right for Americans.

But with Obama and McCain both determined pro-amnesty candidates, it looks as if nothing is going to change in the near future.

They have taken to much of the Lobbyist money and made to many promises to the Latino community in exchange for votes, to do whats right for America.

Yep, they'll get Amnesty eventually. Building a border wall is pointless if Mexicans can get freedom anyway.

[Dale escondido]

I hope youre right about the unity thing. We need something!! Im not
understanding why the NAACP isnt all over this illegal alien thing. Soon
black people wont be able to claim a "minority" status with its perks...wait,
we will be the minority!!!! Illegals take the jobs from the people least
able to lose them and are in competition for services. When that dawns
on one of the "brains" like Jackson or Sharpton, oh boy, look out....its
gonna hit the fan big time. Too bad they are so slow on the uptake.

For Jackson and Sharpton the black plight is their business.
As things improve they become more extreme trying to generate issues.
Here in calif. the blacks have intigrated and do pretty well.
I was suprized how segregated Selma has become. Both blacks and whites seem to want it there.
I acually enjoyed watching hispanics come here in the70-80s and sponsored 2 thru the 86 amnesty. They work hard are ethical and are very family
oriented. One who works in los angeles thanks me everytime we talk.
"I am citizen thanks to you he says". He has two daughters one has two more years med school and the other is just starting ucla next semester.
The new mexicans I dont recognize, they are mean and hate american.

[Hog Trash]

The new mexicans I dont recognize, they are mean and hate american.
Do you think that the "new mexicans" attitude has any thing to do with the large numbers they have arrived in? Strength in numbers? If not, what do you attribute it to?

[Cat slave]

A cousin E-Mailed me this from Houston Tx.
____________________________________
EMERGENCY ROOM....

The other day, I needed to go to the emergency room.

Not wanting to sit there for 4 hours, I put on my old ARMY fatigues and stuck a patch that I had downloaded off the Internet onto the front of my shirt.

When I went into the E.R., I noticed that 3/4 of the people got up and left. I guess they decided that they weren't that sick after all….. Cut at least 3 hours off my waiting time.

Here's the patch. Feel free to use it the next time you're in need of quicker emergency service.

ATT800865.jpg (73.3 KB)
[The patch read "US BORDER PATROL"]
[Sorry, the patch didn't paste]

It also works well if you ever have to use a Laundromat�...


ROTFL:lmao2: I love it!

Ive always been so tempted and may do it yet to stop where there are a
lot of apparently hispanics and start taking pictures.:D

[Cat slave]

Do you think that the "new mexicans" attitude has any thing to do with the large numbers they have arrived in? Strength in numbers? If not, what do you attribute it to?


Positive enforcement for illegal behavior. Jobs, public services, immunity from
our laws, medical care and protecting them are our......president and his
minions from both sides of the aisle who hope to reap the vote and stay in
power. Of course the jokes gonna be on them as this new voting block will
vote in their own and kick the stupid, short sighted gringos to the curb.
At least we will get some satisfaction when this happens. Shoulda danced
with the ones that brung you!:D Whos crying now?

[Dale escondido]

Do you think that the "new mexicans" attitude has any thing to do with the large numbers they have arrived in? Strength in numbers? If not, what do you attribute it to?

Actually i think about that alot.
Being in manufacturing when placing advertizments for help I only get hispanics and a few phillpinos.
I hired 5 that spoke no english in 88-89 and they all were speaking it in a years or so One 18 year old from Guadalajrua learned in 3 months.
I have one now thats been here 4 years and nothing.
Mechanically hes a genius, but he didnt even know how to write numbers in the beginning. 0 schooling.
I gave him an ultimatium 6 month ago and just let him go last week. I give up on him, he wont even learn work place language skills.
My best friend is from Guatamuela and has been here 30 years. He hates the illegals . He says they are all trying to get enough to survive back at home as they see no hope of making it here. Yet here is where they stay.

[Binky]

A cousin E-Mailed me this from Houston Tx.
____________________________________
EMERGENCY ROOM....

The other day, I needed to go to the emergency room.

Not wanting to sit there for 4 hours, I put on my old ARMY fatigues and stuck a patch that I had downloaded off the Internet onto the front of my shirt.

When I went into the E.R., I noticed that 3/4 of the people got up and left. I guess they decided that they weren't that sick after all….. Cut at least 3 hours off my waiting time.

Here's the patch. Feel free to use it the next time you're in need of quicker emergency service.

ATT800865.jpg (73.3 KB)
[The patch read "US BORDER PATROL"]
[Sorry, the patch didn't paste]

It also works well if you ever have to use a Laundromat�...


OMG! Hoggy, that's the funniest thing I've seen in awhile. LMAO! I'm from a small town, with only about 20,000 in it, so I doubt it would be needed here. But in a large city, that's perfect!

And for the life of me, I can't even imagine why they would all get up and leave........LOL! YeHaw! There I go, I'm being sarcastic again!

[Binky]

Actually think this might be an issue that will unite this nation.
I am half way between San Diego and L.A., as rural as you can get here in so. calif.
But los angeles and downtown san diego are ganglands. I remember going to Detroit on business once and a cabby wouldnt take me thru an area because of gangs. I thought he was just trying to increase fares until talking to locals.
Thought how could there be such a place in US.
Its everywhere now. I think I will move to mexico when they are all here. Might be peaceful?


Hey Dale, I'm from Michigan and grew up in the suburbs of Detroit. There were gangs throughout Detroit way back in the 1960's, with certain areas you just didn't go in. The same held true for the appartment complexes in certain areas. You sure as hell didn't want to get lost driving through those areas. Like Cass Cordidor. And the whole area today is so much worse than it was then.

But Chicago and New York as well, both had horrible gangland areas even back then. And today it's literally life threatening to go through them. Most of your large cities have gangs in them today. Even Washington D.C.

[Dale escondido]

I exspected to get alot of shit for hiring hispanics in earlier post, but nothing?
I wanted to bring up the fact that although we always hear how mexicans are hired for cheap labor in my industry there are good job but not one wants factory work.
I see all these bright kids at starbucks and dept stores and wonder why none answer adds for employment in factories?
I would love to train a bright kid and sell this place to him as I am looking to travel again.

[Hog Trash]

I exspected to get alot of shit for hiring hispanics in earlier post, but nothing?

I think most people, like myself, have no problem with you or anyone else hiring Hispanics, as long as they are here legaly.

[Binky]

I think most people, like myself, have no problem with you or anyone else hiring Hispanics, as long as they are here legaly.


Yep. That's the word! Legally!

[Dale escondido]

I think most people, like myself, have no problem with you or anyone else hiring Hispanics, as long as they are here legaly.

My payroll service wont issue paychecks to anyone who numbers and ID dont match.
I also threw out the question are factory jobs beneath our Youth of today?
I am not talking about assembly or packers.
Mechanical posistions pay very well but no interest except from hispanics.

[SeedyROM]

My payroll service wont issue paychecks to anyone who numbers and ID dont match.
I also threw out the question are factory jobs beneath our Youth of today?
I am not talking about assembly or packers.
Mechanical posistions pay very well but no interest except from hispanics.

I think the dot com era of lazy kids in cubicles being paid regardless of how hard they work is more appealing these days. Not just dot com jobs but anything in a office with a PC on the desk allows the youth to create the illusion of being a professional even though the job may be customer service or tech support.

Unfortunately, blue collar jobs may go unnoticed or become undesirable because those jobs are associated with the type of person some youth do not want to be associated with. In a smaller city, things would be different, people take what they can find and they'll accept blue collar work. $20 an hour in a small town is a $40,000 plus income that may be hard to find so people will line up to compete for mechanical jobs. Big city vs rural opportunities.

It could also be as simple as reaching the right marketplace or placement service where people look for jobs. The irony is that college grads rates are still around 30% to 40% so there are a lot of people who miss out on good paying jobs. But the other 70% go somewhere.

[Dale escondido]

I think the dot com era of lazy kids in cubicles being paid regardless of how hard they work is more appealing these days. Not just dot com jobs but anything in a office with a PC on the desk allows the youth to create the illusion of being a professional even though the job may be customer service or tech support.

Unfortunately, blue collar jobs may go unnoticed or become undesirable because those jobs are associated with the type of person some youth do not want to be associated with. In a smaller city, things would be different, people take what they can find and they'll accept blue collar work. $20 an hour in a small town is a $40,000 plus income that may be hard to find so people will line up to compete for mechanical jobs. Big city vs rural opportunities.

It could also be as simple as reaching the right marketplace or placement service where people look for jobs. The irony is that college grads rates are still around 30% to 40% so there are a lot of people who miss out on good paying jobs. But the other 70% go somewhere.

I just dont understand the concept of working for another. Some corporation posistions and some sales can be very lucrative. But most are just above remenial work.
When one moves into the manufacturing sector and become proficient then begins to work for self, a few dollars later and alot of hard work is a good route for even the most average of us
Its the dirty hands that most are opposed to, and hard work is for fools like me I guess?

[SeedyROM]

I just dont understand the concept of working for another. Some corporation posistions and some sales can be very lucrative. But most are just above remenial work.
When one moves into the manufacturing sector and become proficient then begins to work for self, a few dollars later and alot of hard work is a good route for even the most average of us
Its the dirty hands that most are opposed to, and hard work is for fools like me I guess?

There's a stigma attached to manual labor these days. Actually its always been there. But today there are so many service jobs around that I think some people will settle for a lower paying office job over one that actually requires a little physical effort and brain power. Kids are becoming more dependant on the internet, video games and cell phones, the work ethic has faded. I keep reading baout more kids living at home till after they turn 30 years old because the parents encourage it.

Mexicans have a stronger work ethic than some Americans, so the job displacement will continue. What is going to happen when these Mexicans earn a college degree and or they earn job promotions? The displacement continues but the work gets done.

[Cat slave]

I exspected to get alot of shit for hiring hispanics in earlier post, but nothing?
I wanted to bring up the fact that although we always hear how mexicans are hired for cheap labor in my industry there are good job but not one wants factory work.
I see all these bright kids at starbucks and dept stores and wonder why none answer adds for employment in factories?
I would love to train a bright kid and sell this place to him as I am looking to travel again.

The rub is that if you are hiring illegal aliens, who are here illegally, devouring
our public services and closing down our ERs.....not simply that they are
hiring Hispanics. Hire away but make sure they are not using someone elses
SS number and are in line with our laws of the land.

[Cat slave]

There's a stigma attached to manual labor these days. Actually its always been there. But today there are so many service jobs around that I think some people will settle for a lower paying office job over one that actually requires a little physical effort and brain power. Kids are becoming more dependant on the internet, video games and cell phones, the work ethic has faded. I keep reading baout more kids living at home till after they turn 30 years old because the parents encourage it.

Mexicans have a stronger work ethic than some Americans, so the job displacement will continue. What is going to happen when these Mexicans earn a college degree and or they earn job promotions? The displacement continues but the work gets done.

Unfortunately I have to agree with you. My grandson is so high tech and
working outside or something like that is so off his list. He will work like a
dawg at his managerial position at Pizza Hut, but other than that he is on
a different planet.

But I dont believe that is all of it. Illegals have come in and displaced and
lowerd the wage scale for many who could least afford to lose their jobs.

We are rural and I know of a lot of kids who break their backs in the hayfields
and doing the most manual of labors, logging, cattle, building etc.

I just say this is America, if you want to be American, then we will help
you. If you want to be an asset to our country that will be yours when
you through the process, fine. But to those who break into our country,
displace low wage earners, such up resources and take to the streets
to demand our laws not be enforced......I say GO THE HELL home.

[Dale escondido]

The rub is that if you are hiring illegal aliens, who are here illegally, devouring
our public services and closing down our ERs.....not simply that they are
hiring Hispanics. Hire away but make sure they are not using someone elses
SS number and are in line with our laws of the land.

My CPA checks status of employees. He is retired navy and wont issue a check if everything doesnt match.
I have blue cross, dental and optical. Nobody who works for ,me even lower wages are burdening health care I hope.

[Binky]

Unfortunately I have to agree with you. My grandson is so high tech and
working outside or something like that is so off his list. He will work like a
dawg at his managerial position at Pizza Hut, but other than that he is on
a different planet.

But I dont believe that is all of it. Illegals have come in and displaced and
lowerd the wage scale for many who could least afford to lose their jobs.

We are rural and I know of a lot of kids who break their backs in the hayfields
and doing the most manual of labors, logging, cattle, building etc.

I just say this is America, if you want to be American, then we will help
you. If you want to be an asset to our country that will be yours when
you through the process, fine. But to those who break into our country,
displace low wage earners, such up resources and take to the streets
to demand our laws not be enforced......I say GO THE HELL home.


YEHAW! I fully agree! That's the way their people and officials would want it if the situation were reversed and we sucked up everything in Mexico. They'd want us to learn the language and ways and get legal, then live our lives as citizens. That's as it should be when one moves into another country. You become citizen first. You go through a process just like other immigrants have done.