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Moby
07-21-2008, 08:47 AM
Interesting article that describes his beliefs. I know the religious right hate this type of article but I think it is accurate.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-beliefs5-2008jul05,0,7730914.story?story
He compiled the four Gospels into one text without miracles, ending with Jesus' burial rather than the resurrection.
By Louis Sahagun, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

July 5, 2008

Making good on a promise to a friend to summarize his views on Christianity, Thomas Jefferson set to work with scissors, snipping out every miracle and inconsistency he could find in the New Testament Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Then, relying on a cut-and-paste technique, he reassembled the excerpts into what he believed was a more coherent narrative and pasted them onto blank paper -- alongside translations in French, Greek and Latin.

In a letter sent from Monticello to John Adams in 1813, Jefferson said his "wee little book" of 46 pages was based on a lifetime of inquiry and reflection and contained "the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man."

He called the book "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth." Friends dubbed it the Jefferson Bible. It remains perhaps the most comprehensive expression of what the nation's third president and principal author of the Declaration of Independence found ethically interesting about the Gospels and their depiction of Jesus.

"I have performed the operation for my own use," he continued, "by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter, which is evidently his and which is as easily distinguished as diamonds in a dunghill."

The little leather-bound tome, several facsimiles of which are kept at the Huntington Library in San Marino, continues to fascinate scholars exploring the powerful and varied relationships between the Founding Fathers and the most sacred book of the Western World.

The big question now, said Lori Anne Ferrell, a professor of early modern history and literature at Claremont Graduate University, is this:

"Can you imagine the reaction if word got out that a president of the United States cut out Bible passages with scissors, glued them onto paper and said, 'I only believe these parts?' "

"He was a product of his age," said Ferrell, whose upcoming book, "The Bible and the People," includes a chapter on the Jefferson Bible. "Yet, he is the least likely person I'd want to pray with. He was more skeptical about religion than the other Founding Fathers."

In Jefferson's version of the Gospels, for example, Jesus is still wrapped in swaddling clothes after his birth in Bethlehem. But there's no angel telling shepherds watching their flocks by night that a savior has been born. Jefferson retains Jesus' crucifixion but ends the text with his burial, not with the resurrection.

Stripping miracles from the story of Jesus was among the ambitious projects of a man with a famously restless mind. At 71, he read Plato's "Republic" in the original Greek and found it lackluster.

Ever the scientist, he inoculated his wife, children and many of his slaves against smallpox with fresh pus drawn from infected domestic farm animals, according to Robert C. Ritchie, W.M. Keck Foundation director of research at the Huntington Library.

"For a lot of people, taking scissors to the Bible would be such an act of desecration they wouldn't do it," Ritchie said. "Yet, it gives a reading into Jefferson's take on the Bible, which was not as divine word put into print, but as a book that can be cut up."

Jefferson, a tall vigorous man who preferred Thucydides and Cicero to the newspapers of his day, was not the only 18th century leader who questioned traditional Christian teachings.

Like many other upper-class, educated citizens of the new republic, including George Washington, Jefferson was a deist.

Deists differed from traditional Christians by rejecting miraculous occurrences and prophecies and embracing the notion of a well-ordered universe created by a God who withdrew into detached transcendence.

Critics of the time regarded deism as an ill-conceived attempt to reconcile religion with scientific discoveries. For rationalists in the Age of Enlightenment, deism was one of many efforts to liberate humankind from what the deists viewed as superstitious beliefs.

Jefferson was a particular fan of Joseph Priestley, a scientist, ordained minister and one of Jefferson's friends. Priestley -- who discovered oxygen and invented carbonated water and the rubber eraser -- published books that infamously cast a critical eye upon biblical miracles. Jefferson was particularly fond of Preistley's comparison of the lives and teachings of Socrates and Jesus.

Discussions and letters between Jefferson and another friend, Philadelphia physician Benjamin Rush, led Jefferson to compile his "wee little book." In a letter to Rush on April 21, 1803, Jefferson said his editing experiment aimed to see whether the ethical teachings of Jesus could be separated from elements he believed were attached to Christianity over the centuries.

"To the corruption of Christianity I am indeed opposed," he wrote to Rush, "but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself."

Therefore, Ritchie said, "for Jefferson, the Bible was a book that could be made and unmade."

The Jefferson Bible remained largely unknown beyond a close circle of relatives and friends until 1904, when its publication was ordered by Congress. About 9,000 copies were issued and distributed in the Senate and the House.

Today several editions of the Jefferson Bible are available through booksellers. A few online versions exist, including one on the website of the Jefferson Monticello, www.monticello.org/library/links/jefferson.html.

It is hard to say whether Jefferson would have objected to publication of the book.

"Say nothing of my religion," Jefferson once said. "It is known to myself and my God alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life; if that has been honest and dutiful to society, the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one."

Binky
07-21-2008, 11:19 AM
Interesting article that describes his beliefs. I know the religious right hate this type of article but I think it is accurate.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-beliefs5-2008jul05,0,7730914.story?story


Jefferson thinking the Bible was a book "that could be made and unmade," doesn't surprise me, since, he fathered a child from one of his slaves. He chose the parts he wanted and liked the most, discarding the rest.

Independent Harry
07-21-2008, 12:25 PM
Jefferson thinking the Bible was a book "that could be made and unmade," doesn't surprise me, since, he fathered a child from one of his slaves. He chose the parts he wanted and liked the most, discarding the rest.

hahha, you are actually attacking the morality of Jefferson. Doesn't sound very patriotic binky...

Binky
07-21-2008, 12:45 PM
hahha, you are actually attacking the morality of Jefferson. Doesn't sound very patriotic binky...

Doesn't have anything to do with how patriotic I am. I love my country. I would never want to live anywhere else. As for attacking his morality goes......oh well, such is life. His morality couldn't have been that great since he bought and paid for slaves. How moral was that? He felt the need to own another human life as so many of the "moral" people did.

Moby
07-21-2008, 01:42 PM
Jefferson thinking the Bible was a book "that could be made and unmade," doesn't surprise me, since, he fathered a child from one of his slaves. He chose the parts he wanted and liked the most, discarding the rest.
Doesn't Christianity in general do that? Some of the Old Testament is followed but some is ignored. Some times Mathew's words are taken over God's.

Eating pork, she4llfish and working on Saturdays are all sins that are accepted today.

I don't think that Jefferson discarded anything. He was following the beliefs of Deism and not Christianity. We want to tell ourselves that our founding fathers were Christians even though they referred to Nature's God (the god of deism) and not the God of Christianity.

kres24GT
07-21-2008, 01:53 PM
I posted a lecture on this a few months ago, no one seemed too interested in it.

Binky
07-21-2008, 02:36 PM
Doesn't Christianity in general do that? Some of the Old Testament is followed but some is ignored. Some times Mathew's words are taken over God's.

Eating pork, she4llfish and working on Saturdays are all sins that are accepted today.

I don't think that Jefferson discarded anything. He was following the beliefs of Deism and not Christianity. We want to tell ourselves that our founding fathers were Christians even though they referred to Nature's God (the god of deism) and not the God of Christianity.


People, in general, do that. They "ignore" what they don't want to know or believe. It's human nature.

As far as I'm concerned, it wasn't very christainlike or humane to own slaves. And there were plenty of them that did.

kres24GT
07-21-2008, 02:50 PM
People, in general, do that. They "ignore" what they don't want to know or believe. It's human nature.

As far as I'm concerned, it wasn't very christainlike or humane to own slaves. And there were plenty of them that did.


Have you read the Bible? Slavery is permitted.

Hog Trash
07-21-2008, 05:38 PM
People, in general, do that. They "ignore" what they don't want to know or believe. It's human nature.

As far as I'm concerned, it wasn't very christainlike or humane to own slaves. And there were plenty of them that did.

When taking into account the entire population of the south I believe it was a very small percent that owned slaves even though this in no way justifies or lessons the human suffering and disgrace.

The world was a very different place 144 years ago. The human race has come a long way and still has a long way to go. I believe we get better all the time Binky.

Binky
07-21-2008, 09:47 PM
Have you read the Bible? Slavery is permitted.


I come from a very religious background. And yes, I have. That still doesn't make it right. As I said, lots of others owned slaves as well. It was still an unchristanlike thing to do.

Binky
07-24-2008, 02:18 PM
When taking into account the entire population of the south I believe it was a very small percent that owned slaves even though this in no way justifies or lessons the human suffering and disgrace.

The world was a very different place 144 years ago. The human race has come a long way and still has a long way to go. I believe we get better all the time Binky.


Well, the human race is getting better, but, by the same token, there are still slave owners today. Take white slavery, for example. Young people sold or kidnapped into slavery to sell themselves for the profit of others. They are forced to live a life that no person should have to. And it happens all over the world. Such as in Thailand.

And it was definitely a disgrace. Because a small percentage of greedy men, took it upon themselves to sell, rape, torture, work to death and breed with slaves, the rest of America has had to pay for it over and over again. Those individuals should've been taken to task those many long decades ago. But they weren't because many of them were very wealthy and had all the right connections. And ALL of them were dispicable. It's a disgrace I'm sure no one is ever going to let us forget and will continue to rub our noses in it until the end of time.

Mr, gone
07-25-2008, 04:35 AM
Hey Binky?

How moral is it for priests to put their boney fingers down altar boys pants?

This thread needed a balance applied to it's one sided debate.

Binky
07-25-2008, 08:26 AM
Hey Binky?

How moral is it for priests to put their boney fingers down altar boys pants?

This thread needed a balance applied to it's one sided debate.


Actually, I don't know what that has to do with slaves, but anyway, that is no more moral than the slave thing. Or for incest, for that matter. But todays world is full of immoral baggage coming at us from all directions. It's impossible not to know it's out there in one way or the other.

bairdi
07-25-2008, 01:25 PM
...bump...

Independent Harry
07-25-2008, 01:38 PM
kind of interesting, I will concede then that this country was founded on the morals found in the bible. Just not the religious aspects. :) as those christian nut job fundamentalists would have you believe.

Hog Trash
07-25-2008, 07:02 PM
Well, the human race is getting better, but, by the same token, there are still slave owners today. Take white slavery, for example. Young people sold or kidnapped into slavery to sell themselves for the profit of others. They are forced to live a life that no person should have to. And it happens all over the world. Such as in Thailand.

And it was definitely a disgrace. Because a small percentage of greedy men, took it upon themselves to sell, rape, torture, work to death and breed with slaves, the rest of America has had to pay for it over and over again. Those individuals should've been taken to task those many long decades ago. But they weren't because many of them were very wealthy and had all the right connections. And ALL of them were dispicable. It's a disgrace I'm sure no one is ever going to let us forget and will continue to rub our noses in it until the end of time.

Albert Einstein told us;

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing"