Would you like to know when you were going to die?

[Binky]

Or how? I don't think I'd care to be privvy to that info. I prefer to go through my life knowing that someday I will pass on, but I don't have an itch to know when that time is coming or how. I can wait. I'm in no hurry to find it out. Thank you very much!

[Binky]

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In your dreams. You're disgusting!

[disrupter]

If you can't do anything, what would be the point of knowing?
It might just make you tense & not enjoy everything because you would have that chewing at the back of your mind.

while i am sure [intellectually] it is a complete delusion there is a kind of belief in eternity for the emotional heart. Just 'know' you will live forever so you can really get into it.
Since our actions likely have some eternal repercussions there is a tepid sort of factual truth to it, although we are often clueless as to what those repercussions might be.
It could be our entire species & planet are essentially of zero significance to the Universe or anything greater.
That makes the consequences of our actions potentially lighter with all the good & bad of that.

There is a funny dichotomy. If we aren't going to die then everything becomes possibly insignificant. It is the fact we will die that invests life with [some necessary?] urgency too.

I guess the best thing is to think of it as some kind of sensorial active engagement & let it wash over you while articulately engaging it.
It is likely all somewhat ambiguous so you can kind of arbitrarily assign many of the paradigms of ones life.
Life has no meaning [although biology may have us somewhat pre-programmed], which means you are free to pick one or perhaps several.
Would you want anything else?

[hotnuke]

Or how? I don't think I'd care to be privvy to that info. I prefer to go through my life knowing that someday I will pass on, but I don't have an itch to know when that time is coming or how. I can wait. I'm in no hurry to find it out. Thank you very much!

I do know. I'm NEVER going to die...lol

[Hog Trash]

If people could somehow know when they were going to die I would think their would be several different reactions.

Their would be many who would strive to do good before the last day to leave their mark on the world even if the only thing would be to donate their bodies to saving or improving the lives of others.

Their might be some who would choose a darker side to their last days by rubbing out old enemies and settling scores or possibly making money by what ever means necessary with no fear of consequences.

I'm sure their would be a few who, like an old cat, would one day wonder off quietly to die alone in peace without much of a fuss to be made or tears to be shed.

And my personal favorite are those who use the last days of their lives to better bond with their family and friends, to leave behind some lasting loving memories and maybe the hope of taking some with them.

Or maybe we should just use all the days of our lives to this last end.

[Bill]

What is that quote - " ... knowing you are to be hanged in the morning concentrates the mind wonderfully ...".

[disrupter]

imminent death focuses the mind,

on what is most crucial,

but is it possible there can be layers of focus?
more diffuse in the center with an outer shell that is more absolute in nature?

If one could slow down the speed of chaos it might [possibly] be wonderful just as a sensory experience. Like watching atoms & molecules of huge size in slow motion. I bet that would be cool to watch. Physics on drugs.

Hog Trash, yes there are multiple responses,
but personally i would find it oppressive & confining.
it might feel like i am cut off from infinity,
the open ended ambiguity of it.

it would provide clarity.

Interestingly 'thinking' [potentially erroneously] one knew when one was going to die might have us doing things we would regret if we survived.
Alternately we may perish before we do things that most engage our hearts.

It may not be maximally productive,
but living in a pleasant blur is not a totally undesirable existence.
At the same time, if we ignore the major defining paradigms of greater reality the length of our existence will likely be shortened or at least be completely beyond any potential control we might have over it.

is controlled mania the best philosophical paradigm?
the planet is on a nearly perfectly balanced ballistic trajectory, which we have to thank for our even potential existence.
Now we either learn to live/work within & from the [non-absolute] containment of a sustainable biosphere or we perish.

We can't live in space if we don't know how to create a sustainable environment.
the quality of our lives & experience as well as its potential is affected by the richness of the ecospheres we can sustain.

We may [or may not] be able to live [nearly soullessly] in black & white, but our hearts hunger for the lurid rainbow existences, or at least mine does.

the price of admission to life would appear to be eventual death.
it is the eventual nature of it that allows for hope.
Can dead things have hope? maybe
our hopes are usually a translation through the form of our [human/living] existences.
I suppose we could imagine being other things, living or not.

[Hog Trash]

Poor disrupter, it sounds like those marbles are just rolling around in there bumping into each other.

[Binky]

imminent death focuses the mind,

on what is most crucial,

but is it possible there can be layers of focus?
more diffuse in the center with an outer shell that is more absolute in nature?

If one could slow down the speed of chaos it might [possibly] be wonderful just as a sensory experience. Like watching atoms & molecules of huge size in slow motion. I bet that would be cool to watch. Physics on drugs.

Hog Trash, yes there are multiple responses,
but personally i would find it oppressive & confining.
it might feel like i am cut off from infinity,
the open ended ambiguity of it.

it would provide clarity.

Interestingly 'thinking' [potentially erroneously] one knew when one was going to die might have us doing things we would regret if we survived.
Alternately we may perish before we do things that most engage our hearts.

It may not be maximally productive,
but living in a pleasant blur is not a totally undesirable existence.
At the same time, if we ignore the major defining paradigms of greater reality the length of our existence will likely be shortened or at least be completely beyond any potential control we might have over it.

is controlled mania the best philosophical paradigm?
the planet is on a nearly perfectly balanced ballistic trajectory, which we have to thank for our even potential existence.
Now we either learn to live/work within & from the [non-absolute] containment of a sustainable biosphere or we perish.

We can't live in space if we don't know how to create a sustainable environment.
the quality of our lives & experience as well as its potential is affected by the richness of the ecospheres we can sustain.

We may [or may not] be able to live [nearly soullessly] in black & white, but our hearts hunger for the lurid rainbow existences, or at least mine does.

the price of admission to life would appear to be eventual death.
it is the eventual nature of it that allows for hope.
Can dead things have hope? maybe
our hopes are usually a translation through the form of our [human/living] existences.
I suppose we could imagine being other things, living or not.


Ugh! Not another one of your diatribes. God, I can't deal with it right now!

[disrupter]

LOL, well at least i have mine, Hog Trash.

My marbles are happy marbles. :D

[Hog Trash]

LOL, well at least i have mine, Hog Trash.

My marbles are happy marbles. :D

All jokes aside you don't sound like a very happy person and you seem like you carry a lot of anger and hatred around. You need to lighten up.

[disrupter]

No, i don't really carry it around.
I express it pretty freely here,
and simultaneously know we are each tiny, close to nothing, iota in a very large Universe.

Do i think you are a reckless fool as well as other Neocon sympathizers?
yes.
Do i think you have been & potentially will lead to the complete destruction of everything i & most Americans hold dear if you are not checked?
yes.
I want people to know that i know you are completely discredited.
If others want to yell at you or choke you they are not alone in their sympathies.

Rationally, with 6.5 billion & growing numbers of humans, if someone did cap all the reactionary idiots here in America &/or around the globe it would not warrant a single thought or tear from me.
The hallmark of humanity is the intellect & the application thereof.
You are intellectual garbage which means you are just dead weight to humanity. Without people of your type we will be better off, looking at a vast & bright horizon of splendid possibilities. With you we are looking at the worst of nightmares, including suicide by intent or ignorant stupidity.

I am not suicidal.
with you eliminated i & humanity are better off & safer.

[disrupter]

It is more about frustration rather than anger.

I believe humanity has amazing potential,
that is not being realized.

Instead of soaring we are crashing.

Me personally? I am pretty snug for now, although i know everything always hangs by less than a single spider's thread.

[Hog Trash]

Do i think you are a reckless fool as well as other Neocon sympathizers?
yes.
Do i think you have been & potentially will lead to the complete destruction of everything i & most Americans hold dear if you are not checked?
yes.
I want people to know that i know you are completely discredited.
If others want to yell at you or choke you they are not alone in their sympathies.

Rationally, with 6.5 billion & growing numbers of humans, if someone did cap all the reactionary idiots here in America &/or around the globe it would not warrant a single thought or tear from me.

You are intellectual garbage which means you are just dead weight to humanity. Without people of your type we will be better off, looking at a vast & bright horizon of splendid possibilities. With you we are looking at the worst of nightmares, including suicide by intent or ignorant stupidity.

I am not suicidal.
with you eliminated i & humanity are better off & safer.
Aaaah, come on disrupter, tell me how ya really feel about me?! :flowers:

[disrupter]

I don't really know you,
i only know what you post, or at least the portion of your postings i see to read.

I know we are at risk of ecological calamity,
we are steadily approaching actual extinction as well.

I don't think we can afford to indulge thinking that does not at least pay some real homage to our biosphere & the imminent dangers we are facing.

If you want to pretend terrorism is anything approaching the REAL dangers we as Americans & we as human beings face I will not silently sit by & let you lie to others the way you seem to be lying to yourselves.

It is serious. PERIOD.

[disrupter]

bacteria brains will not be accepted for technologically empowered humans,

not while our very survival hangs in the balance.