Israel to blame

[tbow009]

Did you guys know Israel is the primary reason that the U S attacked Iraq?

Israel so feared Saddam and the Iraqi military that their Intelligence agency purposely fed the U S intelligence community bogus info on WMDs in Iraq.

Dont you just love the fact that more than 2500 Americans have died just since the occupation started, all in the name of Israel and Zionism? Call me anti-semite or whatever but its true.

Fact is I dislike both Muslims and Jews. Together they are creating more havoc in the world than all other countries combined. :banghead:

[SirMoby]

I don't think it matters what was fed to the administration since I believed Dubya was going to war with Iraq the day he took office.

I don't think Saddam was a threat to Israel in any way. During Desert Storm he wanted to pull Israel into the war and shot some rockets there but he could have used the chemical weapons that we supplied to Iraq a decade before. He didn't.

I have some very close friends that are Muslim and a couple that are Jews. None of them have any desire to kill you, me or anyone else.

[Altanana]

Care to post your source? Sadly I think people like you are to blame...constant US/Bush bashing and spreading rumors and misinformation. Show me the FACTS not your idiotic opinions that are worth less than nothing.

[Linkster]

Which facts would like sources for - looking at what was posted I do believe every most of those "opinions" he posted (thats why he started the whole thing with .... I think) are verifiable.

[docholly]

Call me anti-semite or whatever but its true.

Fact is I dislike both Muslims and Jews. Together they are creating more havoc in the world than all other countries combined. :banghead:

I would never call you an anti-semite!!

Personally, in the words of Cleavon Little, I'd call you a "Gin-u-wine Bi-Got" because if you can 'dislike' an entire race of people because of being born a "Muslim" or a "Jew" then you probably would "dislike" people for the other things they are born with like the color of their skin or where their ancestors are from or their gender.. you know all the things we cannot change rather than content of character which we can change.


Dont you just love the fact that more than 2500 Americans have died just since the occupation started, all in the name of Israel and Zionism?

No I don't love the fact that an oedipus complex'd cowboy cheated in Nov. of 1999 with the sole purpose of taking us to war so he could prove to mommy that he was better than his daddy. That his right hand 'shooting' buddy's company has made bazillions of dollars since then, that he is criminally responsible for the murder of at least 2780 US soldiers because he lied and manipulated,with the help of the Spin Zone cronies, the senate, the house and the american public.

but then again that is just my humble opinion.

[SirMoby]

Care to post your source? Sadly I think people like you are to blame...constant US/Bush bashing and spreading rumors and misinformation. Show me the FACTS not your idiotic opinions that are worth less than nothing.
What facts are you referring to?

1. Saddam did shoot rockets into Israel during Desert Storm and they used conventional pay loads. Hey did have gas that we gave him and they just found it a few months ago. Of course they kept it quite because it had expired and it had a USA labels on it so it's kind of embarrassing.

2. You could probably find some old posts. I haven't been to Bull Feathers in years since I left Washington, DC. Are you asking to meet my friends that are lobbyists, interns, staff, fellows at think tanks, military intelligence professionals and other folks that had open conversations and mostly agreed that Dubya would war?

Back then people openly discussed issues without having to bash each other to avoid the facts.

3. Are you asking to meet my friends that are Muslims and don't want to kill you?

I'm just very confused what you're asking about. Please offer some detail as your anger seems to be effecting your ability to articulate.

[Altanana]

Below is a list of attacks against Americans if you think this means little you are sadly mistaken and the US should have done far more to stop terrorism many years ago. The idea that our president is an idiot cowboy desiring war is ridiculous and we are lucky to have this thread addressed and dealt with now. Even though Saddam was not an "immediate" threat to the US it was know that he desired its destruction and that he funded terrorists. It is my feeling that the issues with Saddam only facilitated the beginning of our war with terrorism in the Middle East because Iraq was a Rogue state with a brutal dicator. Appeasement hasn't worked nor will it work and I for one am happy the war is in the ME rather on our own soil.

FYI the following are some of the attacks agains AMERICANS....
1979
Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days on the day of President Reagan's inauguration.
1982–1991
Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days.
1983
April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.
Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.
1984
Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.
1985
April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.
1986
April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.
1988
Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families.
1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1995
April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
2001
Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)
2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.
2003
May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.
2004
May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.
2005
Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: Suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt and Days Inn, in Amman Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.
See also U.S.-Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations; Suspected al-Qaeda Terrorist Acts.

On Oct. 29, 2003, New York officials reduced the number of people killed at the World Trade Center in the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States by 40 names. The list of casualties dropped to 2,752 from 2,792 for a variety of reasons: some people initially reported missing have been found, there were duplicate names, there was no proof that a person was at the World Trade Center that day, and because of fraud. On January 2004, the number was reduced by 3 more to 2,749.

As for Israel's attacks on Lebanon think of this...if you keep rockets in your bedroom you are not an innocent citizen. Civilians were warned to leave the areas being attacked and isn't it funny how all of the casualties are women and children? Where are all the men? Did they run off and leave their families in fear? OR are they Hezbolah terrorists who are hiding and fighting leaving their own to pay the price for political gain?

And I don't care who you know or what the gossip the anti Bush rhetoric is the reason the US has lost credibility in the International community.

Remember one thing, just look at your US money and see the sad fact of the error of this...United We Stand....

[SirMoby]

In your list of attacks against the USA you don't mention anything that was funded or supported by Iraq. Why is that?

There's no evidence that Saddam funded any terrorism towards the USA. The administration has even admitted that it appears he never met with any of the suspected terrorists that passed through Iraq. They did that quietly after the last election.

Yes, he offered life insurance to the families of those killed fighting Israel but so do a number of other countries in the region.

Saddam also tried to open lines of direct communications with the USA by going through Jordan. This happened at least 3 times.

When Dubya was appointed President and it was determined that the state run by his brother did not count votes accurately he lost creditability with the world. Going into Iraq and not finding WMDs or ties to Bin Laden or Al-Queda. Holding people without trials. Supporting torture, spying on his own citizens and not supporting peace are all things that have caused this administration and this country to loose credibility my friend.

My pointing out the facts that are already well known have little effect in the international community.

The people that founded this country decided that the single most important thing a free country should have is freedom of speech and freedom of the press. This is before protection against the police and the right to own guns.

If this makes you angry then maybe you're not as patriotic as you think.

How does me pointing out the embarrassments of this administration effect the international community?

[Kinky Jones]

religion is to blame for the whole mess, it is the root of all evil