A CLEAR-EYED LOOK AT WHAT OBAMA MEANS TO US

[stefan segal]

This piece is right on the money.

Stefan


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/the-sleep-of-monsters-pro_b_108549.html

The Sleep of Monsters Produces Reason
stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust Posted June 22, 2008 | 07:07 PM (EST)

The movement headed by Obama is becoming an unstoppable juggernaut, fueled not by his leadership alone but by the gathering momentum of those individuals who feel the totality of the movement's righteousness within them. Obama is the face of the movement; the people are the movement.

And while we are relishing our Obasm, we must nonetheless be aware of the opposing forces who peer jealously across the widening breach, who are becoming even more embittered, even more determined to prevent this movement from succeeding. Starting from its warped, hardened kernel of an ideology, the Bush/Neo-Con jihad on democracy has been nothing less than catastrophic, a global socio/geopolitical plague. And it's not just the obvious villains we have to be concerned about. There are the appeasers in our midst, the DINO's who continue to reward Bush's treachery with unimpeded funding for the disgrace of Iraq and immunity for his flouting of the law. And there is our own knee-jerk cowering in the face of an enemy openly courted, recklessly wielded and described as impregnable by Bush et al.: Fear. Knowing we would forever shudder and weep at the images branded into our brains, Fear is probably the most brutally effective weapon BushCo had -- has -- in its arsenal and is used with the same alacrity with which Saddam used poison gas on the Kurds.

Likewise, there is a realistic understanding of Obama as politician. We know that he must do certain things in order to survive the caustic climate of government; that he must promise, cajole, threaten and perform, speak the lingua franca of American bureaucratic push me-pull me and that while his vision for America is virtually without fault, obviously he himself is not. But it is his humanity along with his and our acknowledgment of same which gives this movement any hope of success.

And although we have learned the hard way, having painfully witnessed BushCo's trampling of nations, with Obama we got damn lucky. And we'd better appreciate that lest this moment slip away and a long time passes before another one comes.

So it is now our duty as newly deputized agents of Change and Hope to protect this American movement with the fierce devotion of parents who have recovered their kidnapped child. The boogeymen had their way and now it's time to let them know unequivocally that it will not happen again.

It's good to be awake again.

[Hog Trash]

stefan; You have taken the bait hook, line and sinker, been reeled in and

now the only thing left to do is clean ya, cook ya, eat ya and shit ya out.

[Moby]

stefan; You have taken the bait hook, line and sinker, been reeled in and
Coming from someone that only repeats propaganda, that's pretty funny.

[stefan segal]

stefan; You have taken the bait hook, line and sinker, been reeled in and

now the only thing left to do is clean ya, cook ya, eat ya and shit ya out.


Hog Trash...My guess is that you would have the identical response if I gushed over mccain (gag....gack). This, if it is true, precludes you from any utilitarian opinion on the subject of canadates...unless you find barr acceptable...which also precludes you from an opinion that matters.

I find your blather useless and tiring. It seems you have nothing positive to say about life in this country...this makes you a flawed observer that you focus only on shit. This is especially true in this present period.

You most probably would have been a Tory during our revolution. I think barr is the perfect candidate for you...very critical with no sense of history. ( workable history for millions)

Stefan

[Cat slave]

Everyones opinion "matters"!!!!!

[Hog Trash]

Hog Trash...My guess is that you would have the identical response if I gushed over mccain (gag....gack). This, if it is true, precludes you from any utilitarian opinion on the subject of canadates...unless you find barr acceptable...which also precludes you from an opinion that matters.

I find your blather useless and tiring. It seems you have nothing positive to say about life in this country...this makes you a flawed observer that you focus only on shit. This is especially true in this present period.

You most probably would have been a Tory during our revolution. I think barr is the perfect candidate for you...very critical with no sense of history. ( workable history for millions)

Stefan

Hmmmm, sounds like if I have any choice other than Obama my opinion is of no use. I believe that even though you are probably educated you are also a product of many years of programing. I don't know why but I like ya. Don't get the big head it's probably pity.

PS: Maybe I'm just on a mushy drunk. Guess I'm an old softy.
Oh, and I thought of myself as not a Tory but more of a Benji.

[Moby]

Hmmmm, sounds like if I have any choice other than Obama my opinion is of no use.
Not at all. It's just that seeing you accuse someone else of being "baited" is quite funny since you're a perfect example of how the media can mold opinions.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on the other candidates or even issues if you have any thoughts of your own.

[Moby]

While it's nice to hear an American politician motivate people in a positive manner again (instead of using fear, hate and lies), we're a long way from November. We won't know until about 2010 or so if he can really walk the walk.

[stefan segal]

Hmmmm, sounds like if I have any choice other than Obama my opinion is of no use. I believe that even though you are probably educated you are also a product of many years of programing. I don't know why but I like ya. Don't get the big head it's probably pity.

PS: Maybe I'm just on a mushy drunk. Guess I'm an old softy.
Oh, and I thought of myself as not a Tory but more of a Benji.

Hog Trash...Your reading comprehension is rather spotty. What my comment was based upon was the fact that you bash both Obama and mcain.

You get it now? Obama/mcain = two...a choice of one or the other.

The fact that you trash both, seems to indicate that you have some other choice. That other choice is beyond the scope of the contest.

It is like in a conversation about who will be in the baseball playoffs, you continue to interject that baseball is shit...we need new rules.

I'm attempting to penetrate your skull here...don't you see that your interjections have no value in this discussion when the games are played by the EXISTING rules?

Just accept the life you're in for now, and work for changes to what exists.

You and barr could have a spoiler's party, and watch the world as it marches away from you.

Stefan

[Frankg]

This piece is right on the money.

Stefan


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/the-sleep-of-monsters-pro_b_108549.html

The Sleep of Monsters Produces Reason
stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust Posted June 22, 2008 | 07:07 PM (EST)

The movement headed by Obama is becoming an unstoppable juggernaut, fueled not by his leadership alone but by the gathering momentum of those individuals who feel the totality of the movement's righteousness within them. Obama is the face of the movement; the people are the movement.

And while we are relishing our Obasm, we must nonetheless be aware of the opposing forces who peer jealously across the widening breach, who are becoming even more embittered, even more determined to prevent this movement from succeeding. Starting from its warped, hardened kernel of an ideology, the Bush/Neo-Con jihad on democracy has been nothing less than catastrophic, a global socio/geopolitical plague. And it's not just the obvious villains we have to be concerned about. There are the appeasers in our midst, the DINO's who continue to reward Bush's treachery with unimpeded funding for the disgrace of Iraq and immunity for his flouting of the law. And there is our own knee-jerk cowering in the face of an enemy openly courted, recklessly wielded and described as impregnable by Bush et al.: Fear. Knowing we would forever shudder and weep at the images branded into our brains, Fear is probably the most brutally effective weapon BushCo had -- has -- in its arsenal and is used with the same alacrity with which Saddam used poison gas on the Kurds.

Likewise, there is a realistic understanding of Obama as politician. We know that he must do certain things in order to survive the caustic climate of government; that he must promise, cajole, threaten and perform, speak the lingua franca of American bureaucratic push me-pull me and that while his vision for America is virtually without fault, obviously he himself is not. But it is his humanity along with his and our acknowledgment of same which gives this movement any hope of success.

And although we have learned the hard way, having painfully witnessed BushCo's trampling of nations, with Obama we got damn lucky. And we'd better appreciate that lest this moment slip away and a long time passes before another one comes.

So it is now our duty as newly deputized agents of Change and Hope to protect this American movement with the fierce devotion of parents who have recovered their kidnapped child. The boogeymen had their way and now it's time to let them know unequivocally that it will not happen again.

It's good to be awake again.
That's all very nice Stephan but before I vote for Barack Hussein Obama I need to know what will he do differently to safeguard this country as well as President George W Bush has done since 9/11/2001?

[bairdi]

That's all very nice Stephan but before I vote for Barack Hussein Obama I need to know what will he do differently to safeguard this country as well as President George W Bush has done since 9/11/2001?
He will start a war with Canada and Mexico over NAFTA. That should keep us safe and pretty much please you frankie. :lmao2:

[LogicallyYours]

Bush has made us safe..How???? By making us the most hated nation on the planet??? By lying this country into a war??? By removing our National Guard from it's job of protecting states, to fight in this dishonest war??? By dividing Americans???

Fran, you are delusional....completely.

[stefan segal]

Frankg...Obama doesn't rule out armed response, he says that armed response is our last response.

Obama wants to exercize diplomacy without all the guns and garbage, while enlisting other nations to engage to pursue resolution. I think Obama is making a call toward sanity.

If you think your safety has been looked after for the last 7 years, I congratulate you for not being a person of interest to the butch gang.

Personally, I have never witnessed our country with so much opposition and disdain, while our armed services both foreign and domestic in such a wrung out condition to serve their function.

Frankg, come on...do you actually think anyone could do a worse job of husbanding our country than the butch gang?

Stefan

[Frankg]

Originally posted by Stephan segal
Frankg...Obama doesn't rule out armed response, he says that armed response is our last response.
Armed response to what Stephan ? , I surely hope you don't mean a terrorist attack .


Personally, I have never witnessed our country with so much opposition and disdain,

The Revolution , the Civil War, War of 1812, WWI, WWII, Vietnam ...are you old enough to remember these events Stephan ?


Frankg, come on...do you actually think anyone could do a worse job of husbanding our country than the butch gang?

Carter, Gore, Kerry , Obama , Clinton......

No attacks in since 9/11/2001 Stephan , that's going to be a very tough feat to duplicate for Barack Hussein Obama given the fact he knows nothing about Al-Qaeda and quite possibly might have close associations with known terrorists.

[bairdi]

No attacks in since 9/11/2001 Stephan , that's going to be a very tough feat to duplicate for Barack Hussein Obama given the fact he knows nothing about Al-Qaeda and quite possibly might have close associations with known terrorists.
Considering that the guy who planned those attacks is still operating his network almost 7 years later and given that Bush has instituted policies which have generated considerable hatred for the US, you may be right frankie. Especially in light of the fact that the military does not have the resources to do the job in Afghanistan because the moron went and attacked a country that had nothing to do with 911.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Armed response to what Stephan ? , I surely hope you don't mean a terrorist attack .

The Revolution , the Civil War, War of 1812, WWI, WWII, Vietnam ...are you old enough to remember these events Stephan ?


Carter, Gore, Kerry , Obama , Clinton......

No attacks in since 9/11/2001 Stephan , that's going to be a very tough feat to duplicate for Barack Hussein Obama given the fact he knows nothing about Al-Qaeda and quite possibly might have close associations with known terrorists.


Frankie,

It would have been better if you had just remained silent and only thought of as a fool, than to have responded with that post and removed all doubts.


Lady Mod

.

[bairdi]

Frankie,

It would have been better if you had just remained silent and only thought of as a fool, than to have responded with that post and removed all doubts.


Lady Mod

.
Actually, I thought he removed all doubts quite some time ago.
How's it going LM?

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Actually, I thought he removed all doubts quite some time ago.
How's it going LM?


LOL. True. I guess the Wizard was all out of brains by the time frankie arrived in the Emerald City. ;)


Going well. How are things with you?


LM

[bairdi]

LOL. True. I guess the Wizard was all out of brains by the time frankie arrived in the Emerald City. ;)


Going well. How are things with you?


LM
Can't complain. This has been a pretty entertaining election year here on this board so far this year. You have to hand it to the 17 per centers. They are like an army of energizer bunnies who just keep going and going. I will be happy when their man goes from Washington this January.

[Binky]

This piece is right on the money.

Stefan


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/the-sleep-of-monsters-pro_b_108549.html

The Sleep of Monsters Produces Reason
stumble digg reddit del.ico.us news trust Posted June 22, 2008 | 07:07 PM (EST)

The movement headed by Obama is becoming an unstoppable juggernaut, fueled not by his leadership alone but by the gathering momentum of those individuals who feel the totality of the movement's righteousness within them. Obama is the face of the movement; the people are the movement.

And while we are relishing our Obasm, we must nonetheless be aware of the opposing forces who peer jealously across the widening breach, who are becoming even more embittered, even more determined to prevent this movement from succeeding. Starting from its warped, hardened kernel of an ideology, the Bush/Neo-Con jihad on democracy has been nothing less than catastrophic, a global socio/geopolitical plague. And it's not just the obvious villains we have to be concerned about. There are the appeasers in our midst, the DINO's who continue to reward Bush's treachery with unimpeded funding for the disgrace of Iraq and immunity for his flouting of the law. And there is our own knee-jerk cowering in the face of an enemy openly courted, recklessly wielded and described as impregnable by Bush et al.: Fear. Knowing we would forever shudder and weep at the images branded into our brains, Fear is probably the most brutally effective weapon BushCo had -- has -- in its arsenal and is used with the same alacrity with which Saddam used poison gas on the Kurds.

Likewise, there is a realistic understanding of Obama as politician. We know that he must do certain things in order to survive the caustic climate of government; that he must promise, cajole, threaten and perform, speak the lingua franca of American bureaucratic push me-pull me and that while his vision for America is virtually without fault, obviously he himself is not. But it is his humanity along with his and our acknowledgment of same which gives this movement any hope of success.

And although we have learned the hard way, having painfully witnessed BushCo's trampling of nations, with Obama we got damn lucky. And we'd better appreciate that lest this moment slip away and a long time passes before another one comes.

So it is now our duty as newly deputized agents of Change and Hope to protect this American movement with the fierce devotion of parents who have recovered their kidnapped child. The boogeymen had their way and now it's time to let them know unequivocally that it will not happen again.

It's good to be awake again.



This isn't a damn movement, unless of course, you are referring to a bowel movement. If that's the case, then I'll have to agree with you. This is the biggest bowel movement we've had in decades. And it remains to be seen just how lucky we've gotten with Obama. Or with McCain, either. Both are politicans therefore subject to bullshit. They reek of it. Each has a pile of his own and as the days roll by, the bullshit pile becomes monumentous.

[stefan segal]

This isn't a damn movement, unless of course, you are referring to a bowel movement. If that's the case, then I'll have to agree with you. This is the biggest bowel movement we've had in decades. And it remains to be seen just how lucky we've gotten with Obama. Or with McCain, either. Both are politicans therefore subject to bullshit. They reek of it. Each has a pile of his own and as the days roll by, the bullshit pile becomes monumentous.


Binky...how comforting it must be to not only know so much, but to be so certain of the output of that massive bank of knowlege of yours.

I don't have expertese in your field of bowel movements...in fact, I generally only consider the linguistic content of the subject under discussion, so ;this interaction here is enlightening in as much as expert shitmen, though they aren't a rarity, they usually don't jump up and point themselve out as you have here.

You really should interact with Hog Trash...as you share basic values and could amuse each other with tales about how all politicians are shit etc. etc.

Stefan

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Can't complain. This has been a pretty entertaining election year here on this board so far this year. You have to hand it to the 17 per centers. They are like an army of energizer bunnies who just keep going and going. I will be happy when their man goes from Washington this January.


Amen to that. Their man Bush is doing as much damage as he possibly can before he's ousted. He's leaving the country in as big of a mess as he can, just to remember him by. :lmao2:


.

[Binky]

Binky...how comforting it must be to not only know so much, but to be so certain of the output of that massive bank of knowlege of yours.

I don't have expertese in your field of bowel movements...in fact, I generally only consider the linguistic content of the subject under discussion, so ;this interaction here is enlightening in as much as expert shitmen, though they aren't a rarity, they usually don't jump up and point themselve out as you have here.

You really should interact with Hog Trash...as you share basic values and could amuse each other with tales about how all politicians are shit etc. etc.

Stefan



I could say the same for you, since you love to spew the pompous diatribe.

[Smurf-Herder]

I'm just curious who's writing the script for Obama's first term.

[stefan segal]

I could say the same for you, since you love to spew the pompous diatribe.

Binky,,,I guess it is in the eye of the beholder :)

Stefan

[Binky]

Binky,,,I guess it is in the eye of the beholder :)

Stefan


Yep, and my eyes are bleeding from some of the crap you speil. LOL! But, you keep me entertained so I'm not complaining! YeHaw!