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Bill
06-23-2008, 05:16 PM
I predict this will become a bigger and bigger issue as the years go by - leading to the indictment of many oil company executives for fraud, plus huge civil judgements.

The lawsuits will be led by the cities and states which will have to bear the brunt of the cost - and I think we will see lawsuits occuring on a planetwide basis.

Just like with tobacco - the lawsuits won't stop, because the costs and losses won't stop.

It's not the crime, it's the coverup.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/fossilfuels.climatechange

James Hansen, one of the world's leading climate scientists, will today call for the chief executives of large fossil fuel companies to be put on trial for high crimes against humanity and nature, accusing them of actively spreading doubt about global warming in the same way that tobacco companies blurred the links between smoking and cancer.

Hansen will use the symbolically charged 20th anniversary of his groundbreaking speech (pdf) to the US Congress - in which he was among the first to sound the alarm over the reality of global warming - to argue that radical steps need to be taken immediately if the "perfect storm" of irreversible climate change is not to become inevitable.

Speaking before Congress again, he will accuse the chief executive officers of companies such as ExxonMobil and Peabody Energy of being fully aware of the disinformation about climate change they are spreading.

In an interview with the Guardian he said: "When you are in that kind of position, as the CEO of one the primary players who have been putting out misinformation even via organisations that affect what gets into school textbooks, then I think that's a crime."

He is also considering personally targeting members of Congress who have a poor track record on climate change in the coming November elections. He will campaign to have several of them unseated. Hansen's speech to Congress on June 23 1988 is seen as a seminal moment in bringing the threat of global warming to the public's attention. At a time when most scientists were still hesitant to speak out, he said the evidence of the greenhouse gas effect was 99% certain, adding "it is time to stop waffling".

He will tell the House select committee on energy independence and global warming this afternoon that he is now 99% certain that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has already risen beyond the safe level.

The current concentration is 385 parts per million and is rising by 2ppm a year. Hansen, who heads Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, says 2009 will be a crucial year, with a new US president and talks on how to follow the Kyoto agreement.

He wants to see a moratorium on new coal-fired power plants, coupled with the creation of a huge grid of low-loss electric power lines buried under ground and spread across America, in order to give wind and solar power a chance of competing. "The new US president would have to take the initiative analogous to Kennedy's decision to go to the moon."

His sharpest words are reserved for the special interests he blames for public confusion about the nature of the global warming threat. "The problem is not political will, it's the alligator shoes - the lobbyists. It's the fact that money talks in Washington, and that democracy is not working the way it's intended to work."

Kanadesaga
06-24-2008, 02:29 AM
the nexus of corporate money and gov't largese has to be severed. anyone who condones the kind of behavior we have witnessed for 60 + years is clinically insane.

Cat slave
06-24-2008, 03:33 AM
"We", the public demanded, earned and deserved a lifestyle that we worked
for, be it ac homes, cars, boats, SUVs, vacation homes etc. that I for one
am not ready to lose!

Who all wants to lower their standard of living? Go back to one small car
if were lucky, window fans instead of ac, maybe a hot plate instead of an
oven or micro wave?

We wanted the big vehicles and car companies were there to respond to our
demands. We can actually think for ourselves and need no one protecting
us from ourselves!

Tobacco companies? What a farce that was to try to take them down.
People took up smoking all on their own. My father for instance was a life
long smoker but I would never, ever blame the tobacco companies for his
declining health. He made a choice regarding smoking as we have made
a choice regarding transportation transportation and leisure time activities.
Now, looks like we need to stop and think about things and find other ways
to supplement our energy needs. And we can do it if dirt people and government will get out of the way and let the market dictate how these
current problems are handled.

Hansen makes some good points and is accurate on many of his statements
but hanging out to dry the people who bring us energy is not the smartest thing to do and he negated most of his credibility when he wound it up with
"global warming"!!!! Lets hope none of us live to see another "little" ice age.

Wonder if Exxon-Mobile saw this coming down the pike and that is why they
are getting out of the retail gas business?

Binky
06-26-2008, 02:37 PM
"We", the public demanded, earned and deserved a lifestyle that we worked
for, be it ac homes, cars, boats, SUVs, vacation homes etc. that I for one
am not ready to lose!

Who all wants to lower their standard of living? Go back to one small car
if were lucky, window fans instead of ac, maybe a hot plate instead of an
oven or micro wave?

We wanted the big vehicles and car companies were there to respond to our
demands. We can actually think for ourselves and need no one protecting
us from ourselves!

Tobacco companies? What a farce that was to try to take them down.
People took up smoking all on their own. My father for instance was a life
long smoker but I would never, ever blame the tobacco companies for his
declining health. He made a choice regarding smoking as we have made
a choice regarding transportation transportation and leisure time activities.
Now, looks like we need to stop and think about things and find other ways
to supplement our energy needs. And we can do it if dirt people and government will get out of the way and let the market dictate how these
current problems are handled.

Hansen makes some good points and is accurate on many of his statements
but hanging out to dry the people who bring us energy is not the smartest thing to do and he negated most of his credibility when he wound it up with
"global warming"!!!! Lets hope none of us live to see another "little" ice age.

Wonder if Exxon-Mobile saw this coming down the pike and that is why they
are getting out of the retail gas business?

Great post Cat Slave. And I happen to agree with you. Go figure! Two of us here can actually agree on something. We all had a choice to make when purchasing the crap we feel we have to have. We either buy it or we don't. The car manufacturers make what they think we want. And with each decade it's been obvious that we wanted bigger and bigger vehicles. Walla! Here we are......large cars and trucks for those who want them.

And I cut back on my electric every day of the week. If I cut back anymore, I'll be hand washing my laundry in the dark, cooking my food on a bon fire and warming my ass with a match. We are in this mess because of our own greediness. Which happens to be one of the seven deadly sins.

Cat slave
06-26-2008, 04:21 PM
LOL! I can see it all now....or maybe I shouldnt be laughing!:D
And the jolly green giant, Gore would be living high on the hog as usual...
no offense intended Hog Trash!:o

It will be the feudal system all over again.

Cat slave
06-26-2008, 04:24 PM
I predict this will become a bigger and bigger issue as the years go by - leading to the indictment of many oil company executives for fraud, plus huge civil judgements.

The lawsuits will be led by the cities and states which will have to bear the brunt of the cost - and I think we will see lawsuits occuring on a planetwide basis.

Just like with tobacco - the lawsuits won't stop, because the costs and losses won't stop.

It's not the crime, it's the coverup.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/fossilfuels.climatechange


Time and money would be far better spent filing suits against the congress.
But, oh wait, theyve got that covered! Guess it will just have to be some
other sacrificial lamb.

Smurf-Herder
06-26-2008, 11:45 PM
James Hansen is the Bob Lazar of Climatology ... :p

Moby
06-27-2008, 12:29 AM
I predict this will become a bigger and bigger issue as the years go by - leading to the indictment of many oil company executives for fraud, plus huge civil judgements.

The lawsuits will be led by the cities and states which will have to bear the brunt of the cost - and I think we will see lawsuits occuring on a planetwide basis.

Just like with tobacco - the lawsuits won't stop, because the costs and losses won't stop.

It's not the crime, it's the coverup.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/23/fossilfuels.climatechange
By then all the execs will be in Dubai and have long term leases for pumping oil off the coast of Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. I'm sure they'll be paying 15% to 20% of what they'll charge the American public for the oil so why should we care?

It's a matter of national security to let states and maybe even counties sell our most precious resource to the highest foreign bidder.