"How's the Earth Made?"

[Binky]

I watched this program tonight on The History Channel. It said,"250 million years ago a catalyptic event happened that destroyed most of the earth and the animals. The animals that did survive evolved into dinosaurs.

Then 180 million years ago the earth split creating separate continuents. The temperature soared to 500 deg.s and global warming went wild.

And then, 100 million years ago earth was ruled by dinosaurs. Volcanicism ( volcanos bursting and overflowing) brought to the surface diamonds in So. Africa. Volcanoes were diamond mines and the diamonds could only be brought up by major erruptions.

And 650 million years ago was lush with all types of plants. Then a mass extinction of most species of plants and dinosaurs were wiped out, which was brought on by erridium (meteor showers that had hit and became layered in rock).

Next came the world of apes and 50 million years ago, life is recovering and the first mammals arrive.

The African and European continents collide, and formed the Swiss Alps. The mountains are squeezed together making them higher and higher thus forming the Materhorn.

And uplifting and errosion (platecnics) creates all mountains in their heighth and shape. And 2 million years ago, man evolves from apes and steps on the earth for the first time and the ice age begins.

We are in a gap between ice ages. We're in a warming period. In 15,000 years, a new ice age may appear.

Coastal regions will crunch and some countries will disappear. Earth will be in turmoil. When the platecnic cycle ends everything will halt and the story of earth will be over. The oceans will be dry and earth will be dead. And anyone that survives will be searching for new planets in which to live on."

I hope I got this correct as I took a few notes and commited some of it to memory.

My point for this is that the earth goes through its natural changes and has been evolving for millions of years. Life finds a way to live on.

[Cat slave]

I watched this program tonight on The History Channel. It said,"250 million years ago a catalyptic event happened that destroyed most of the earth and the animals. The animals that did survive evolved into dinosaurs.

Then 180 million years ago the earth split creating separate continuents. The temperature soared to 500 deg.s and global warming went wild.

And then, 100 million years ago earth was ruled by dinosaurs. Volcanicism ( volcanos bursting and overflowing) brought to the surface diamonds in So. Africa. Volcanoes were diamond mines and the diamonds could only be brought up by major erruptions.

And 650 million years ago was lush with all types of plants. Then a mass extinction of most species of plants and dinosaurs were wiped out, which was brought on by erridium (meteor showers that had hit and became layered in rock).

Next came the world of apes and 50 million years ago, life is recovering and the first mammals arrive.

The African and European continents collide, and formed the Swiss Alps. The mountains are squeezed together making them higher and higher thus forming the Materhorn.

And uplifting and errosion (platecnics) creates all mountains in their heighth and shape. And 2 million years ago, man evolves from apes and steps on the earth for the first time and the ice age begins.

We are in a gap between ice ages. We're in a warming period. In 15,000 years, a new ice age may appear.

Coastal regions will crunch and some countries will disappear. Earth will be in turmoil. When the platecnic cycle ends everything will halt and the story of earth will be over. The oceans will be dry and earth will be dead. And anyone that survives will be searching for new planets in which to live on."

I hope I got this correct as I took a few notes and commited some of it to memory.

My point for this is that the earth goes through its natural changes and has been evolving for millions of years. Life finds a way to live on.

Well done Binky!!!!

Yes, the climate will change....thats what it does and we didnt start
climate change and we cant stop it. Its the natural order of things.

Ive seen that program but was not as effective with it as you have been. Good job.

[disrupter]

btw, that 'thing' that caused the cataclysm 247 million years ago was global warming. AND living things had millions of years to adapt,
and STILL 90% of them went extinct.
A few centuries is no million years.

'Life goes on?'

Excuse me for my human bias.
I would like for me to survive,
if not that, then that humanity should survive, & hopefully without destroying every other species on the planet in the process.

Great, everything up until now has been mindless,
now we are here,
we have minds,
<has wild notion>
'why don't we use/apply our minds?'

Or are our minds like the good china, you can look at it but not use it?

Maybe we should have a committee & they can research whether we should attempt to use our minds or not?

But no, Cat slave & Binky, you are right, we should roll over & die like mindless worms.

Jesus Christ, lol, who the hell didn't give you ANY self respect?

[Moby]

Are there any studies that deny man made climate change that take into account the loss of green matter that man has caused? You know, trees and algae like stuff.

I'm just curious. I'm a firm believer that both sides are way off base because they're not trying to prove anything but trying to convince people and there's a massive difference.

[Hog Trash]

Are there any studies that deny man made climate change that take into account the loss of green matter that man has caused? You know, trees and algae like stuff.

I'm just curious. I'm a firm believer that both sides are way off base because they're not trying to prove anything but trying to convince people and there's a massive difference.

I read an article about a month ago saying there is 4000+ scientist worldwide with no corporate affiliations who claim that global warming is occuring and people have very little if anything to do with it. They had tons of statistics of which for the most part I'm not interested in. They convinced me even though I already leaned that way from what I had allready gathered.

[Moby]

I read an article about a month ago saying there is 4000+ scientist worldwide with no corporate affiliations who claim that global warming is occuring and people have very little if anything to do with it. They had tons of statistics of which for the most part I'm not interested in. They convinced me even though I already leaned that way from what I had allready gathered.
Link? Or is asking you to actually support your comments way too far over your head?

[Smurf-Herder]

Link? Or is asking you to actually support your comments way too far over your head?

How about 31,000 scientists? That sure beats out the IPCC report that included the entire range of man-made to not-man-made warming studies by 2500 scientists, that was edited by 50 UN policy makers.

Over 31,000 U.S. scientists deny man-made global warming

By Dennis T. Avery
web posted May 26, 2008

In 1998, Dr. Arthur Robinson, Director of the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine, posted his first Global Warming skeptic petition, on the Institute's website (oism.org). It quickly attracted the signatures of more than 17,000 Americans who held college degrees in science. Widely known as the Oregon Petition, it became a counter-weight for the "all scientists agree" mantra of the man-man Global Warming crowd.

Recently, with America being dragged toward Kyoto-style energy limits by cadres of alarmists, Robinson mailed a new copy of the petition to his original signers, asking them to recruit additional qualified scientists. Now his list includes nearly 32,000 American man-made warming skeptics with science qualifications. More than 9,000 hold scientific PhDs. Almost 32,000 thousand skeptics happens to be twelve times as many scientists as the 2,500 scientific reviewers claimed by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to form a scientific consensus.

Earlier this month Robinson held a press meeting at the National Press Club in DC, followed by a luncheon on Capital Hill, to which members of Congress and their aides were invited. Not surprisingly, attendance was low.

Robinson's petition states a truth: "There is no convincing evidence that human release of CO2, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing or will cause, in the foreseeable future, catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."

What do these approx 32,000 scientists believe has caused the earth's warming since 1850 if it isn't CO2? He points to the sun. Robinson notes that over the past 150 years the sunspot index has predicted the Earth's temperature changes—with 79 percent accuracy—about ten years before they happen. The sunspots actually predicted the 2007 global temperature decline; the index turned down in 2000. The computer models didn't foresee it.

The correlation between Earth's temperatures and CO2 is only at the "accidental" level—22 percent and declining sharply over the past decade as the temperatures have refused to increase with the CO2 levels. Robinson says the lack of correlation between CO2 levels and past Earth temperatures proves that CO2 is not dominating our climate.

The Oregon chemist warns that "no other major scientific problem has ever been tackled the way the UN has approached global warming." The UN hosted a big meeting of scientists, he says, and then a small group of "authors" summarized the discussions into a global action plan. But the UN has never produced any evidence that humans are warming our climate. The UN panel says CO2 became the culprit "by the process of elimination" but such a process is neither scientific nor admissible in a court of law.

The forecasts of desperate temperature increases all come from computer climate models, notes Robinson. But the computer models keep forecasting more warming than we get. In fact, 70 percent of the earth's recent warming occurred before 1940, while virtually all of humanity's greenhouse gas emission has occurred since that date. The Earth's net warming since 1940 is a tiny 0.2 degree C.

"If CO2 isn't causing our tiny warming, then banning all our energy will simply make people poor and helpless, says Robinson, "The cold spells and heat waves nature will always throw at us, will then indeed, threaten human lives on the planet."

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0508/0508gwpetition.htm

[Smurf-Herder]

Weather Channel Founder Calls Global Warming A 'Scam'

http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/national/11114421.html

[Smurf-Herder]

I watched this program tonight on The History Channel. It said,"250 million years ago a catalyptic event happened that destroyed most of the earth and the animals. The animals that did survive evolved into dinosaurs.

Then 180 million years ago the earth split creating separate continuents. The temperature soared to 500 deg.s and global warming went wild.

And then, 100 million years ago earth was ruled by dinosaurs. Volcanicism ( volcanos bursting and overflowing) brought to the surface diamonds in So. Africa. Volcanoes were diamond mines and the diamonds could only be brought up by major erruptions.

And 650 million years ago was lush with all types of plants. Then a mass extinction of most species of plants and dinosaurs were wiped out, which was brought on by erridium (meteor showers that had hit and became layered in rock).

Next came the world of apes and 50 million years ago, life is recovering and the first mammals arrive.

The African and European continents collide, and formed the Swiss Alps. The mountains are squeezed together making them higher and higher thus forming the Materhorn.

And uplifting and errosion (platecnics) creates all mountains in their heighth and shape. And 2 million years ago, man evolves from apes and steps on the earth for the first time and the ice age begins.

We are in a gap between ice ages. We're in a warming period. In 15,000 years, a new ice age may appear.

Coastal regions will crunch and some countries will disappear. Earth will be in turmoil. When the platecnic cycle ends everything will halt and the story of earth will be over. The oceans will be dry and earth will be dead. And anyone that survives will be searching for new planets in which to live on."

I hope I got this correct as I took a few notes and commited some of it to memory.

My point for this is that the earth goes through its natural changes and has been evolving for millions of years. Life finds a way to live on.

Great post, Binky. I love those shows.

You should do a search on "Medieval Warm Period" and "Little Ice Age", to see how greatly the climate can change on a smaller, more recent level, without any man-made pollutants.

[Cat slave]

Yeah, HT, Ive been hearing and reading about that.

This will pass and the big question is we will be smart enough to adapt or will
we go the way of former species?

I was thinking last night about this "carbon footprint" junk. Many would like
to try and convict and punish America for our consumption of fossil fuels simply
due to the fact that we have been so successful and to take us down will of
course make everyone else so much better off!!!

Guess the wildfires out west dont create gases, or
the eruptions of volcanoes, lightning strikes of wooded areas
releasing the carbon of the burning trees into the air. There is a natural flow
of occurrences. Its only the evil west because of our greed and standard
of living.

If one wants to cling to the idea that we are powerful enough to change the
whole worlds climate, why is it that "we" are the only ones held accountable?
That should show you right there that there is an agenda beyond the Jolly
Green Giants lucrative investment scheme. Guess the emerging markets and
burgeoning populations dont count. They have a right to pollute. They are
only trying to acquire the standard of living of the evil west and of course
build up their military.

We need population control to adapt to the changing climate (the natural
one) and huge masses of humans can not be supported by changing climates.
When did the noble idea of promoting population control become so politically
incorrect? I had one child, she had one child and there are people out there
having friggin "litters" of babies.

Will we adapt or perish? Its up to us. Will the earth/globe survive?
You betcha it will as it has for millions and millions of years, even when there
werent any humans to bring about climate change. The earth will survive
whether we do or not. Again, its up to us to develop new methods of
farming to grow food in the changing climate, new forms of energy (multiple)
so that if one doesnt fit the plan another one will.

Theres nothing wrong at all and is the thing to do to be good stewards of the
land so that we have good drinking water and can grow enough food to sustain us in a changing climate and have good air to breathe. But its up
to us. The climate is going to do what it always has....change.

They named Greenland "GREENland" because it once was and may be again.
All without the power of the people....!

[Cat slave]

Great post, Binky. I love those shows.

You should do a search on "Medieval Warm Period" and "Little Ice Age", to see how greatly the climate can change on a smaller, more recent level, without any man-made pollutants.

Me too. Aside from the History channel, Discovery and AMC, there is nothing
on IMO!

[Hog Trash]

How about 31,000 scientists? That sure beats out the IPCC report that included the entire range of man-made to not-man-made warming studies by 2500 scientists, that was edited by 50 UN policy makers.

Over 31,000 U.S. scientists deny man-made global warming

By Dennis T. Avery
web posted May 26, 2008

In 1998, Dr. Arthur Robinson, Director of the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine, posted his first Global Warming skeptic petition, on the Institute's website (oism.org). It quickly attracted the signatures of more than 17,000 Americans who held college degrees in science. Widely known as the Oregon Petition, it became a counter-weight for the "all scientists agree" mantra of the man-man Global Warming crowd.

Recently, with America being dragged toward Kyoto-style energy limits by cadres of alarmists, Robinson mailed a new copy of the petition to his original signers, asking them to recruit additional qualified scientists. Now his list includes nearly 32,000 American man-made warming skeptics with science qualifications. More than 9,000 hold scientific PhDs. Almost 32,000 thousand skeptics happens to be twelve times as many scientists as the 2,500 scientific reviewers claimed by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to form a scientific consensus.

Earlier this month Robinson held a press meeting at the National Press Club in DC, followed by a luncheon on Capital Hill, to which members of Congress and their aides were invited. Not surprisingly, attendance was low.

Robinson's petition states a truth: "There is no convincing evidence that human release of CO2, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing or will cause, in the foreseeable future, catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate."

What do these approx 32,000 scientists believe has caused the earth's warming since 1850 if it isn't CO2? He points to the sun. Robinson notes that over the past 150 years the sunspot index has predicted the Earth's temperature changes—with 79 percent accuracy—about ten years before they happen. The sunspots actually predicted the 2007 global temperature decline; the index turned down in 2000. The computer models didn't foresee it.

The correlation between Earth's temperatures and CO2 is only at the "accidental" level—22 percent and declining sharply over the past decade as the temperatures have refused to increase with the CO2 levels. Robinson says the lack of correlation between CO2 levels and past Earth temperatures proves that CO2 is not dominating our climate.

The Oregon chemist warns that "no other major scientific problem has ever been tackled the way the UN has approached global warming." The UN hosted a big meeting of scientists, he says, and then a small group of "authors" summarized the discussions into a global action plan. But the UN has never produced any evidence that humans are warming our climate. The UN panel says CO2 became the culprit "by the process of elimination" but such a process is neither scientific nor admissible in a court of law.

The forecasts of desperate temperature increases all come from computer climate models, notes Robinson. But the computer models keep forecasting more warming than we get. In fact, 70 percent of the earth's recent warming occurred before 1940, while virtually all of humanity's greenhouse gas emission has occurred since that date. The Earth's net warming since 1940 is a tiny 0.2 degree C.

"If CO2 isn't causing our tiny warming, then banning all our energy will simply make people poor and helpless, says Robinson, "The cold spells and heat waves nature will always throw at us, will then indeed, threaten human lives on the planet."

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0508/0508gwpetition.htm

Thanks Smurf. I'm to lazy to copy and store facts and lists of witnesses. I'm a very skeptical man by nature and not easily misled. I'm not overly sensetive and am not all that concerned whether people believe me or not. Some people prefer the outrageous over the obvious.

[Hog Trash]

Link? Or is asking you to actually support your comments way too far over your head?

Actualy its just more than I'm willing to do. I't woudn't do any good any way. You're to locked in to your party line and would deny the undeniable no matter what evidence was presented. You've lost the desire and ability to even believe your own eyes and ears much less anyone elses out side your circle.

[Binky]

Link? Or is asking you to actually support your comments way too far over your head?



For crying out loud, didn't you learn anything in school during science class when they were teaching about the earth and the changes it makes?

The info is there. Read it. Use some damn common sense. I don't give a damn what Gore and his henchmen are touting. He wants more money! Gee! Go figure! They love to tax us to death so they can steal it for whatever they choose. Good Golly Miss Molly! Start thinking for yourself rather than listening to all the crap these people keep trying to get us to believe in.

[Binky]

btw, that 'thing' that caused the cataclysm 247 million years ago was global warming. AND living things had millions of years to adapt,
and STILL 90% of them went extinct.
A few centuries is no million years.

'Life goes on?'

Excuse me for my human bias.
I would like for me to survive,
if not that, then that humanity should survive, & hopefully without destroying every other species on the planet in the process.

Great, everything up until now has been mindless,
now we are here,
we have minds,
<has wild notion>
'why don't we use/apply our minds?'

Or are our minds like the good china, you can look at it but not use it?

Maybe we should have a committee & they can research whether we should attempt to use our minds or not?

But no, Cat slave & Binky, you are right, we should roll over & die like mindless worms.

Jesus Christ, lol, who the hell didn't give you ANY self respect?



Well, Mr. Nice Guy that you are, thanks for your ranting. As usual I can see that you don't believe facts only what you choose to believe. I told you almost word for word what was said on that program and yet, because you are who you are, you still felt the need to toss about some backlash at me and Cat Slave. It's fine with me if you don't believe, but please, next time, shut your stupid hole if you can't write something better than that. Personally, I couldn't give a fart whether you survived or not. One less pissant in the world.

[Binky]

Great post, Binky. I love those shows.

You should do a search on "Medieval Warm Period" and "Little Ice Age", to see how greatly the climate can change on a smaller, more recent level, without any man-made pollutants.


Thanks Smerfy. When I get a chance I'll research. Whether or not people believe isn't my problem...at least I'll be even more informed and not some dumb idiot!

[Cat slave]

For crying out loud, didn't you learn anything in school during science class when they were teaching about the earth and the changes it makes?

The info is there. Read it. Use some damn common sense. I don't give a damn what Gore and his henchmen are touting. He wants more money! Gee! Go figure! They love to tax us to death so they can steal it for whatever they choose. Good Golly Miss Molly! Start thinking for yourself rather than listening to all the crap these people keep trying to get us to believe in.

Hey there are thousands of miles of ice cores taken from up north that show
climate change is a normal thing.

Sorry, I dont have a link to the ice core storage house!:lmao2:

[Cat slave]

Well, Mr. Nice Guy that you are, thanks for your ranting. As usual I can see that you don't believe facts only what you choose to believe. I told you almost word for word what was said on that program and yet, because you are who you are, you still felt the need to toss about some backlash at me and Cat Slave. It's fine with me if you don't believe, but please, next time, shut your stupid hole if you can't write something better than that. Personally, I couldn't give a fart whether you survived or not. One less pissant in the world.

LOL...it would be a cleansing of the gene pool!:p

[Cat slave]

To add to the argument, it seems normal for species to go extinct and we
are no different. If we dont act like weve actually got some brains and learn
to adapt and not allow ourselves to be used like pawns to satisfy someones
agenda and bank account, we might just survive. If not, maybe we shouldnt.

[Hog Trash]

Liberals are mainly the group who are freaking over global warming. They are not mentally prepared and poorly equipped for survival as they have great dependency on government who in the event of a catastrophe would have a singular objective of self survival. The government would batten down the hatches on there lavish well stocked bunkers that we financed and built while the majority of us suffered and died. And when the coast was clear they would emerge from their bunkers and start making speeches again. But they would find that the survivors were the strong and the smart ones who would be skeptical of their beautiful speeches. The weak ones who had become dependent on them would be long dead.

[Binky]

Liberals are mainly the group who are freaking over global warming. They are not mentally prepared and poorly equipped for survival as they have great dependency on government who in the event of a catastrophe would have a singular objective of self survival. The government would batten down the hatches on there lavish well stocked bunkers that we financed and built while the majority of us suffered and died. And when the coast was clear they would emerge from their bunkers and start making speeches again. But they would find that the survivors were the strong and the smart ones who would be skeptical of their beautiful speeches. The weak ones who had become dependent on them would be long dead.


Well, Hog Trash, you and Cat Slave have seemed to hit the nail on it's head...Go figure! Geez...no one is listening so we may be in a teeny majority.

[Hog Trash]

Well, Hog Trash, you and Cat Slave have seemed to hit the nail on it's head...Go figure! Geez...no one is listening so we may be in a teeny majority.

Binky, there are many more people who are afraid to break their chains and venture out of their dark confined boxes of ignorance than those of us who have broken free to the wide open spaces of light and truth. It's beautiful out here isn't it?! We are free and enlightened and those still in the box will forever shout out at us and call us crazy.

PS: This gives me an idea for a Thread.

[Binky]

Binky, there are many more people who are afraid to break their chains and venture out of their dark confined boxes of ignorance than those of us who have broken free to the wide open spaces of light and truth. It's beautiful out here isn't it?! We are free and enlightened and those still in the box will forever shout out at us and call us crazy.

PS: This gives me an idea for a Thread.


Yes, Hog Trash, is nice to have that enlightened feeling. There is definitely something to the phrase, "the truth will set you free." Ahhh.....

[Moby]

For crying out loud, didn't you learn anything in school during science class when they were teaching about the earth and the changes it makes?

The info is there. Read it. Use some damn common sense. I don't give a damn what Gore and his henchmen are touting. He wants more money! Gee! Go figure! They love to tax us to death so they can steal it for whatever they choose. Good Golly Miss Molly! Start thinking for yourself rather than listening to all the crap these people keep trying to get us to believe in.
Gore is a politician. Is he over blowing the effects of climate change? Of course. You'd have to be an idiot to not understand that.

However, you'd have to be an idiot to think that if we remove all the plant life on earth that it wouldn't effect oxygen levels.

The question isn't are we effecting climate change. Of course we are.

The question is "How much are we effecting climate change?" Obviously it's much less the what Gore claims. Odds are it's much different then what the administration claims as well.

[Moby]

Actualy its just more than I'm willing to do. I't woudn't do any good any way. You're to locked in to your party line and would deny the undeniable no matter what evidence was presented. You've lost the desire and ability to even believe your own eyes and ears much less anyone elses out side your circle.
If you're going to make statements and post the work of others then you need to be prepared to support those claims. It's possible that you're not quite as bright as you think you are any maybe you just can't remember correctly any more. You either need to be prepared to support your claims if you want to stay a member of this community.

The Heartland Institute was recently busted for listing 500 scientist that agreed with them and many of those scientist were furious when they found their names being used falsely.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-roberts/heartland-institute-lies_b_99889.html
http://www.dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=4602&highlight=scientists

[Binky]

Gore is a politician. Is he over blowing the effects of climate change? Of course. You'd have to be an idiot to not understand that.

However, you'd have to be an idiot to think that if we remove all the plant life on earth that it wouldn't effect oxygen levels.

The question isn't are we effecting climate change. Of course we are.

The question is "How much are we effecting climate change?" Obviously it's much less the what Gore claims. Odds are it's much different then what the administration claims as well.


Ab-so-toot-ly. That's certainly the question at hand. However, not one you'll hear from Gore. Sure, the chemicals have a small effect on the climate, but from all I've learned about climate changes since I was a kid, I would venture a guess that the change they are talking about is, let me see, bullpucky. The change is a natural one.

[Smurf-Herder]

Gore is a politician. Is he over blowing the effects of climate change? Of course. You'd have to be an idiot to not understand that.

However, you'd have to be an idiot to think that if we remove all the plant life on earth that it wouldn't effect oxygen levels.

The question isn't are we effecting climate change. Of course we are.

The question is "How much are we effecting climate change?" Obviously it's much less the what Gore claims. Odds are it's much different then what the administration claims as well.


You know what I think was the most moronic idea I've heard of involving global warming?

People cutting down rain forests in South America to plant corn for bio-fuel. :banghead:

[Binky]

Yeah, HT, Ive been hearing and reading about that.

This will pass and the big question is we will be smart enough to adapt or will
we go the way of former species?

I was thinking last night about this "carbon footprint" junk. Many would like
to try and convict and punish America for our consumption of fossil fuels simply
due to the fact that we have been so successful and to take us down will of
course make everyone else so much better off!!!

Guess the wildfires out west dont create gases, or
the eruptions of volcanoes, lightning strikes of wooded areas
releasing the carbon of the burning trees into the air. There is a natural flow
of occurrences. Its only the evil west because of our greed and standard
of living.

If one wants to cling to the idea that we are powerful enough to change the
whole worlds climate, why is it that "we" are the only ones held accountable?
That should show you right there that there is an agenda beyond the Jolly
Green Giants lucrative investment scheme. Guess the emerging markets and
burgeoning populations dont count. They have a right to pollute. They are
only trying to acquire the standard of living of the evil west and of course
build up their military.

We need population control to adapt to the changing climate (the natural
one) and huge masses of humans can not be supported by changing climates.
When did the noble idea of promoting population control become so politically
incorrect? I had one child, she had one child and there are people out there
having friggin "litters" of babies.

Will we adapt or perish? Its up to us. Will the earth/globe survive?
You betcha it will as it has for millions and millions of years, even when there
werent any humans to bring about climate change. The earth will survive
whether we do or not. Again, its up to us to develop new methods of
farming to grow food in the changing climate, new forms of energy (multiple)
so that if one doesnt fit the plan another one will.

Theres nothing wrong at all and is the thing to do to be good stewards of the
land so that we have good drinking water and can grow enough food to sustain us in a changing climate and have good air to breathe. But its up
to us. The climate is going to do what it always has....change.

They named Greenland "GREENland" because it once was and may be again.
All without the power of the people....!


Great post, Cat Slave! Right on again! The earth is going to do what it has always done. Change, and all living creatures either change with it or whither away, so to speak.

[Independent Harry]

I watched this program tonight on The History Channel. It said,"250 million years ago a catalyptic event happened that destroyed most of the earth and the animals. The animals that did survive evolved into dinosaurs.

Then 180 million years ago the earth split creating separate continuents. The temperature soared to 500 deg.s and global warming went wild.

And then, 100 million years ago earth was ruled by dinosaurs. Volcanicism ( volcanos bursting and overflowing) brought to the surface diamonds in So. Africa. Volcanoes were diamond mines and the diamonds could only be brought up by major erruptions.

And 650 million years ago was lush with all types of plants. Then a mass extinction of most species of plants and dinosaurs were wiped out, which was brought on by erridium (meteor showers that had hit and became layered in rock).

Next came the world of apes and 50 million years ago, life is recovering and the first mammals arrive.

The African and European continents collide, and formed the Swiss Alps. The mountains are squeezed together making them higher and higher thus forming the Materhorn.

And uplifting and errosion (platecnics) creates all mountains in their heighth and shape. And 2 million years ago, man evolves from apes and steps on the earth for the first time and the ice age begins.

We are in a gap between ice ages. We're in a warming period. In 15,000 years, a new ice age may appear.

Coastal regions will crunch and some countries will disappear. Earth will be in turmoil. When the platecnic cycle ends everything will halt and the story of earth will be over. The oceans will be dry and earth will be dead. And anyone that survives will be searching for new planets in which to live on."

I hope I got this correct as I took a few notes and commited some of it to memory.

My point for this is that the earth goes through its natural changes and has been evolving for millions of years. Life finds a way to live on.

Yes we understand that, but the argument is, why speed up the climate change. I mean we could possibly be causing the ice age to happen in 100 years instead of 15,000. Not a good idea...

[Smurf-Herder]

Yes we understand that, but the argument is, why speed up the climate change. I mean we could possibly be causing the ice age to happen in 100 years instead of 15,000. Not a good idea...

On that note, I've read that most of the warming actually occured before the 1960s. And we're only talking about ONE DEGREE of temperature change .......... basing the argument on false data from some monitoring stations that are innacurate.

Check out this site. Most of the surface temperature monitoring stations in the US are not accurate - because of development around them since they were set up.

http://surfacestations.org/

[disrupter]

Since we may not be fueling the freight train bearing down on us i guess it is 'OK' with you to let it run us over?

Game, Set, Match, you guys are natural born losers.

[Smurf-Herder]

Since we may not be fueling the freight train bearing down on us i guess it is 'OK' with you to let it run us over?

Game, Set, Match, you guys are natural born losers.


Please convince your handlers to take your straight-jacket off, so you can overdose on your meds.

[disrupter]

Truth too tough for you Smurfy?

Lick, Smell & Eat Shit, you maggot.

lol!

[Binky]

You guys all crack me up. LOL! You sling crap at each other and then you LOL about it.

:lmao2: :lmao2: :taunt:

[Smurf-Herder]

You guys all crack me up. LOL! You sling crap at each other and then you LOL about it.

:lmao2: :lmao2: :taunt:


I don't always laugh about it.

Sometimes I leave the board alone for days out of disgust.

[SeedyROM]

Liberals are mainly the group who are freaking over global warming. They are not mentally prepared and poorly equipped for survival as they have great dependency on government who in the event of a catastrophe would have a singular objective of self survival. The government would batten down the hatches on there lavish well stocked bunkers that we financed and built while the majority of us suffered and died. And when the coast was clear they would emerge from their bunkers and start making speeches again. But they would find that the survivors were the strong and the smart ones who would be skeptical of their beautiful speeches. The weak ones who had become dependent on them would be long dead.

McCain says he's working hard to convince his party to open up to global warming and the change needed to slow the process, not just liberals Hog. In fact many Reps believe global warming is real and it ain't political mumbo jumbo to get votes.

[Binky]

I don't always laugh about it.

Sometimes I leave the board alone for days out of disgust.



Now I'm LMAO with this one. I can relate. It sometimes peeves one off. Still, all in all, it's fun to sling the crap, isn't it? LOL

[Hog Trash]

McCain says he's working hard to convince his party to open up to global warming and the change needed to slow the process, not just liberals Hog. In fact many Reps believe global warming is real and it ain't political mumbo jumbo to get votes.

I'm aware that it's a vote issue that actually morphed into a money

scam that has grown beyond even the architect's wildest expectations.

[SeedyROM]

I'm aware that it's a vote issue that actually morphed into a money

scam that has grown beyond even the architect's wildest expectations.

But what if you are wrong! Money is part of all we are and all we endeavor.
Can't buy happiness without it.

[Smurf-Herder]

Now I'm LMAO with this one. I can relate. It sometimes peeves one off. Still, all in all, it's fun to sling the crap, isn't it? LOL

Yeah, but ......... it's all based on frustration. Taking the time to make a logical argument with people who are idiots, who aren't worth the time. Who even if they agreed on a point, wouldn't acknowledge it, on principle.

[disrupter]

Newsflash Hog Trash,

The 'Money' is on the denial side of Global Warming,
Tens of Millions have been spent trying to hide & confuse the facts.

I guess in your case that was money well spent.

The NSA spy files for Hog Trash are filed in the 'easily lied to' section

[Binky]

Yeah, but ......... it's all based on frustration. Taking the time to make a logical argument with people who are idiots, who aren't worth the time. Who even if they agreed on a point, wouldn't acknowledge it, on principle.


Ya got me laughing again on that one Smerfy. LOL! :lmao2: :lmao2: I can certainly relate to it.

[Binky]

McCain says he's working hard to convince his party to open up to global warming and the change needed to slow the process, not just liberals Hog. In fact many Reps believe global warming is real and it ain't political mumbo jumbo to get votes.


We don't need McCain to help straighten out this global warming stuff. We need to stop using so many chemicals and that will slow down the process. But it isn't going to stop the change no more than I can stop my hair from coming in grey. All I can do is color it. All we can do is lower our dependancy on chemicals of all sorts and emissions.