View Full Version : Where Is China Drilling Off Our Coast?
This is starting to have Cheney like rhetoric around it. There's got to be pics or some article that has more then just heresy in it.
Exactly where are they drilling?
Smurf-Herder
06-12-2008, 07:07 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/05/09/washington/09drill-graphic.gif
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/05/09/washington/20060509_DRILL_GRAPHIC.html
China, Cuba reported in Gulf oil partnership
U.S. firms stand by, prohibited from bidding on contracts; lawmakers propose opening up U.S. coast for drilling.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/index.htm
I don't know what actual drilling is taking place at the present; only the plans.
Frankg
06-12-2008, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by SirMoby
This is starting to have Cheney like rhetoric around it. There's got to be pics or some article that has more then just heresy in it.
Exactly where are they drilling?
Exactly? .....why does it matter to you exactly ?....oh wait ...thats right ... we have to find a way to blame President George W Bush for this , right SirMoby?
Like it says , off the coast of Florida, do you need exact longitude and latitude?
China, Cuba reported in Gulf oil partnership
U.S. firms stand by, prohibited from bidding on contracts; lawmakers propose opening up U.S. coast for drilling.
May 9, 2006: 10:12 AM EDT
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Plans for foreign oil companies, some from India and China, to drill off the cost of Cuba are prompting calls from lawmakers to ease environmental restrictions that prohibit coastal drilling in most of the U.S., according to a report Tuesday.
At a time of rising soaring gasoline prices caused partly by a lack of supply, legislators are fuming that Cuba is opening up its continental shelf for oil and gas exploration while most of the U.S. continental shelf outside the Gulf of Mexico, which extends 200 miles from shore, has been off limits for drilling since the early 1980s, the New York Times reported.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/cuba_oil.gifFirms from China and India will be drilling for oil off the coast of Cuba, but U.S. companies are prohibited from bidding on the contracts, according to a recent report.http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/oil_guzzling_nations.gif
Adding insult to injury, the Times said U.S. firms were invited to bid on the Cuban contracts, but were barred by the U.S. government due to the country's longstanding economic embargo of communist Cuba.
"Red China should not be left to drill for oil within spitting distance of our shores without competition from U.S. industries," Sen. Larry Craig, Republican of Idaho, told the Times.
Firms from Canada and Spain will also drill off the Cuban coast, the article said
Craig is introducing a bill to exempt U.S. oil firms from the embargo, much as food and drug firms are, according to the article.
There are also several bills moving through Congress aimed at opening up areas more areas of the U.S. to oil and gas exploration, including coastal waters and Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Supporters of the bills, including the oil industry, say it would help bring down oil and gas prices and decrease the country's reliance on oil imports from the volatile Middle East.
Gasoline prices have soared 33 percent over the last year, while the price of crude oil has tripled since 2002.
But critics of more drilling say the energy obtained, which they say would be minimal and wouldn't bring down prices that much, isn't worth the environmental risks. They also say more drilling for a finite resource does nothing to promote long term conservation solutions.
Most coastal states also oppose offshore drilling, fearing unsightly rigs and oil spills will hurt their tourism industries.
The United States Geological Survey estimates the Cuban deal involves 4.6 billion barrels of oil and 9.8 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, according to the Times. The paper said that's enough oil and gas to power the U.S. for a few months.
The paper also cited an Interior Department study that said the U.S. continental shelf contained 115 billion barrels of oil and 633 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. That would be enough oil to satisfy U.S. demand, at current consumption levels, for 16 years and enough natural gas for 25 years, according to the Times.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news...cuba/index.htm (http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/index.htm)
OK. So these articles don't claim that China is drilling. They claim that China won bids to and is under contract for drilling but don't make the claims that drilling has started.
US firms, not the US government, are not allowed to bid on this drilling because of the embargo put in place by George H. W. Bush. Clinton expanded the embargo under a republican controlled congress. Many far left liberal leaders have spoken out against the embargo and after 6 years of Republican control the embargo is still in place without a single piece of legislation that I can find suggesting that we should remove it.
Facts
1. Currently there is no drilling
2. US firms were asked to bid on drilling but can't
3. George H. Bush put the embargo in place and after 6 years of Republican control there has been no attempt to remove the ban
4. Carter and a few far left liberals have spoken out against the embargo
I'm sure that I if I really tried I could find some Fox News clips of them bashing the liberals for wanting to remove the embargo that would have allowed US firms to bid on these contracts but that would be silly with the facts that Frank and Smurf have pointed out.
Smurf-Herder
06-13-2008, 07:15 AM
OK. So these articles don't claim that China is drilling. They claim that China won bids to and is under contract for drilling but don't make the claims that drilling has started.
US firms, not the US government, are not allowed to bid on this drilling because of the embargo put in place by George H. W. Bush. Clinton expanded the embargo under a republican controlled congress. Many far left liberal leaders have spoken out against the embargo and after 6 years of Republican control the embargo is still in place without a single piece of legislation that I can find suggesting that we should remove it.
Facts
1. Currently there is no drilling
2. US firms were asked to bid on drilling but can't
3. George H. Bush put the embargo in place and after 6 years of Republican control there has been no attempt to remove the ban
4. Carter and a few far left liberals have spoken out against the embargo
I'm sure that I if I really tried I could find some Fox News clips of them bashing the liberals for wanting to remove the embargo that would have allowed US firms to bid on these contracts but that would be silly with the facts that Frank and Smurf have pointed out.
WHAT FAR LEFT LEADERS HAVE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST IT?
Where are you getting this shit?
PLease, post a link that verifies everything you just said.
It looks like everything you say is the exact opposite of reality.
bairdi
06-13-2008, 08:57 AM
Chinese oil drilling off Fla. coast? 'Akin to urban legend,' senator says
By Erika Bolstad and Kevin G. Hall, McClatchy NewspapersWed Jun 11, 5:48 PM ET
WASHINGTON — As Congress has debated energy policy over the past several days, an unusual argument keeps surfacing in support of drilling off the U.S. coastline and in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Why, ask some Republicans, should the United States be thwarted from drilling in its own territory when just 50 miles off the Florida coastline the Chinese government is drilling for oil under Cuban leases?
Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling anywhere off Cuba's shoreline. The China - Cuba connection is "akin to urban legend," said Sen. Mel Martinez , a Republican from Florida who opposes drilling off the coast of his state but who backs exploration in ANWR.
" China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period," said Jorge Pinon , an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy at the University of Miami and an expert in oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico . Martinez cited Pinon's research when he took to the Senate floor Wednesday to set the record straight.
Even so, the Chinese-drilling-in- Cuba legend has gained momentum and has been swept up in Republican arguments to open up more U.S. territory to domestic production.
Vice President Dick Cheney , in a speech Wednesday to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce , picked up the refrain. Cheney quoted a column by George Will , who wrote last week that "drilling is under way 60 miles off Florida . The drilling is being done by China , in cooperation with Cuba , which is drilling closer to South Florida than U.S. companies are."
In his speech, Cheney described the Chinese as being "in cooperation with the Cuban government. Even the communists have figured out that a good answer to higher prices means more supply."
"But Congress says no to drilling in ANWR, no to drilling on the East Coast, no to drilling on the West Coast," Cheney added.
The office of House Minority Leader John Boehner defended the GOP drilling claims. "A 2006 New York Times story highlights lease agreements negotiated between Cuba and China and the fact that China was planning to drill in the Florida Strait off the coast of Cuba ," said spokesman Michael Steel .
The China - Cuba connection also appeared in an editorial Monday in Investor's Business Daily , which wrote that "the U.S. Congress has voted consistently to keep 85 percent of America's offshore oil and gas off-limits, while China and Cuba drill 60 miles from Key West, Fla. "
And on Tuesday, Rep. George Radanovich , R-Calif., wrote in the Modesto Bee that " China , thanks to a lease issued by Cuba , is drilling for oil just 50 miles off Florida's coast."
A spokesman for Radanovich said Wednesday that the congressman had read about a Cuban lease to Chinese interests in the 2006 Times article.
China's Sinopec oil company does have an agreement with the Cuban government, but it's to develop onshore resources west of Havana , Pinon said. The Chinese have done some seismic testing, he said, but no drilling, and nothing offshore.
Western diplomats in Havana tell McClatchy that to the best of their knowledge, there is no Chinese drilling in or around Cuba .
"I've never heard anything about this," said one diplomat from a country in the hemisphere.
The Western diplomats, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media about energy issues, said they believed there is no new drilling occurring off the coast of Cuba , just exploration.
Cuba's state oil company, Cupet, has issued exploration contracts to companies from India , Canada , Spain , Malaysia and Norway , according to diplomats.
But many oil companies from those countries have expressed reservations about how to turn potential crude oil into product. Cuba doesn't have the refinery capacity, and the Cuban embargo prohibits the oil from coming to U.S. refineries, Pinon said.
The most recent high-profile contract with Cuba went to Brazil's state oil company, Petrobras . Cuba inked a contract with Petrobras in January, allowing the Brazilian energy giant to search for oil in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico that are within Cuba's sovereign territory. Brazil's foreign minister, Celso Amorim , traveled to Cuba last month and talked up the oil business, along with a joint venture between Cuba and Petrobras to produce lubricants.
Most of Cuba's oil comes from Venezuela , with whom it shares an ideological bent and geographical proximity. Brazil's growing role in Cuba's energy sector is significant because Petrobras has been involved in some of the world's few discoveries of new and large oilfields.
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bairdi
06-13-2008, 09:14 AM
Is it any wonder why this country is so screwed up and divided. Here is an article from the right wing rag Newsmax from 2006.
From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Monday, July 24, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT
Cuba Drills for Oil 60 Miles Off U.S. Coast
With Congress deadlocked over allowing oil drilling in presently restricted areas of the Gulf of Mexico, communist Cuba is already drilling for oil 60 miles off the coast of Florida.
Republicans in Congress have tried repeatedly in the past decade to open up the outer continental shelf to exploration. There are an estimated 45 billion barrels in oil reserves and 232 trillion cubic feet of gas reserves in banned drilling areas of the Gulf, and Florida's waters hold the promise of major energy finds.
They have been strenuously opposed by Florida and environmental-minded legislators from both parties. Florida's powerful tourism and booming real estate industries fear that oil spills could hurt their business.
Meanwhile Cuba "is exploring in its half of the 90-mile-wide Straits of Florida within the internationally recognized boundary as well as in deep-water areas of the Gulf of Mexico,” the Washington Times reports.
Two Canadian companies are presently pumping more than 19,000 barrels of crude oil each day from fields in the straits about 90 miles from Key West, and a Spanish company has announced an oil strike in deep-water areas of the same region, according to the National Ocean Industries Association.
Cuba's state oil company, Cubapetroleo, has signed a deal with China's Sinopec to explore for oil, and it is using Chinese-made drilling equipment in the search.
Sterling Burnett, a fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, a conservative think tank, said America’s quarter-century limits on offshore drilling are putting the U.S. at a strategic disadvantage as oil and gas prices reach record highs.
"Canada and even economically backward Cuba are moving forward with plans to drill in offshore areas that abut U.S. coastal waters," he told the Times.
"Since pools of oil do not respect international boundaries, it is almost certainly true that Canada and Cuba will be accessing oil that could otherwise be developed by and for the benefit of Americans."
The House last month passed a bill that would allow coastal states to decide whether to open the first 100 miles of their waters for oil exploration. The states permitting exploration would receive half of the hundreds of billions of dollars in royalties and fees from drilling that would otherwise go to the federal government.
A Senate bill would permit drilling in a key area in the eastern Gulf but allow Florida to retain a 125-mile no-drilling buffer zone.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/7/24/121616.shtml
WHAT FAR LEFT LEADERS HAVE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST IT?
Where are you getting this shit?
PLease, post a link that verifies everything you just said.
It looks like everything you say is the exact opposite of reality.
Items #1 and #2 were from your own links. Do you want me to repost those for you? I think what you're confusing is reality with what the talking heads are telling you.
Item #3
"Cuban Democracy Act" check it out
http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/funfacts/embargo.htm
1992, February 5. U.S. Congressman Robert Torricelli introduces the Cuban Democracy Act, and says the bill is designed to "wreak havoc on the island."
June 15. From an editorial in the NY Times: "…This misnamed act (the Cuban Democracy Act) is dubious in theory, cruel in its potential practice and ignoble in its election-year expediency… An influential faction of the Cuban American community clamors for sticking it to a wounded regime… There is, finally, something indecent about vociferous exiles living safely in Miami prescribing more pain for their poorer cousins."
October 15. U.S. Congress passes the Cuban Democracy Act, which prohibits foreign-based subsidiaries of U.S. companies from trading with Cuba, travel to Cuba by U.S. citizens, and family remittances to Cuba. The law allows private groups to deliver food and medicine to Cuba. (At this time, 70% of Cuba's trade with U.S. subsidiary companies was in food and medicine. Many claim the Cuban Democracy Act is in violation of international law and United Nations resolutions that food and medicine cannot be used as weapons in international conflicts.)
October 23. President Bush signs the Cuban Democracy Act into law. Congressman Torricelli says that it will bring down Castro "within weeks."
November 24. The United Nations General Assembly votes heavily in favor of a measure introduced by Cuba asking for an end to the U.S. Embargo. The vote is 59 in favor, 3 against (the U.S., Israel and Romania), and 79 abstentions. State Department spokesman Joe Snyder in the LA Times; "The Cuban government, in violation of international law, expropriated billions of dollars worth of private property belonging to U.S. individuals and has refused to make reasonable restitution. The U.S. embargo - and I point out it's not a blockade - is therefore a legitimate response to the unreasonable and illegal behavior of the Cuban government."
2004 - October 28. For the 13th consecutive year, the UN General Assembly votes overwhelmingly against the U.S. embargo on Cuba. The vote is 179 to 4, with 1 abstention. Voting with the U.S. for the embargo are Israel, Palau and the Marshall Islands. In the only speech loudly applauded on the assembly floor, Cuba's Foreign Minister Felipe Perez Roughe states: "The U.S. government has unleashed a world wide genocidal economic war against Cuba. It is the government of a large and mighty empire, but it is afraid of the example of a small rebellious island."
Item # 4
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-1676536_ITM
The White House yesterday dismissed former President Jimmy Carter's call to end the trade embargo against Cuba, calling such a move pointless when dealing with "one of the last great tyrants left on Earth."
"The president believes that the trade embargo is a vital part of America's foreign policy and human rights policy toward Cuba, because trade with Cuba does not benefit the people of Cuba - it's used to prop up a repressive regime," Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer said.
Ending the 43-year-old embargo against Cuba "only gives money to the government" of Fidel Castro, whom Mr. Fleischer called "one of the last great tyrants left on Earth."
Despite Mr. Carter's five-day, conciliatory visit to the island - in which the former president called on Congress to permit unrestricted travel between the United States and Cuba, establish open trading relationships and repeal the embargo - Mr. Bush will deliver a stern message to Mr. Castro during a visit to Miami on Monday.
Mr. Bush will endorse increased enforcement of the...
More about Carter
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0515-05.htm
You can also find more information about some really far left folks like Sharpton and Jackson. I don't agree with their point of views but they did speak out heavily about lifting the embargo that has kept US companies from bidding and drilling that Cuban oil.
hdmarketing
06-13-2008, 10:06 AM
WHAT FAR LEFT LEADERS HAVE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST IT?
Where are you getting this shit?
PLease, post a link that verifies everything you just said.
It looks like everything you say is the exact opposite of reality.
heh, heh, heh, so what the hell else is new?
Typical leftist bull shit. They fuck it up, and try to blame us for it. :lmao2:
Cat slave
06-13-2008, 11:34 AM
Oh, then all the news casters are lying. Of course.
Oh, then all the news casters are lying. Of course.
What news caster has stated that the drilling has actually started?
I'm just asking for references and Frank and Smurf provided articles that don't say the drilling is taking place and claim that American companies couldn't bid on it because of the embargo.
Read what THEY posted.
heh, heh, heh, so what the hell else is new?
Typical leftist bull shit. They fuck it up, and try to blame us for it. :lmao2:
So Frank and Smurf post articles that don't claim the drilling has started.
Smurf posts an article that says that it's Cuban Embargo that kept American oil companies from bidding on drilling.
Those two leftists are just full of typical bullshit :lmao2:
It looks like everything you say is the exact opposite of reality.
Yet Cheney's office is forced to admit that there is no drilling. Exactly what reality are you speaking about?
http://dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=5067
Typical leftist bull shit.
The facts is what you consider typical leftist bull shit. http://dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=5067 :lmao2:
Think about it?
Smurf-Herder
06-15-2008, 02:43 PM
Yet Cheney's office is forced to admit that there is no drilling. Exactly what reality are you speaking about?
http://dcjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=5067
News Agencies reported the plans for it back in 2006. I don't know what's presently happening or being planned. But it was a real story two years ago.
News Agencies reported the plans for it back in 2006. I don't know what's presently happening or being planned. But it was a real story two years ago.
It looks like everything you say is the exact opposite of reality. :thumbsup:
Smurf-Herder
06-15-2008, 06:12 PM
It looks like everything you say is the exact opposite of reality. :thumbsup:
Sorry if it doesn't conform to your tunnel-vision universe.
I'm really freaked out by how well you compartmentalize this whole thing.
They can drill in their areas of the Gulf, but we can't drill in ours. What's so hard about understanding that?
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