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LadyMod at scam.com
06-01-2008, 07:43 AM
But it's what everyone predicted. Again, Bush is out of touch with reality.


Consumers Lean on Rebate Checks for Bills and Gas (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/business/01checks.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin)

By PETER S. GOODMAN
Published: June 1, 2008

MIAMI — The federal government is showering households with tax rebates to spur spending and invigorate a troubled economy. But many Americans are so consumed with debt and the soaring price of gasoline that they are opting to save the money or use it to pay bills, according to surveys, sales data and interviews with people from Florida to California.

Between late April and the end of last week, the Treasury handed out more than $50 billion of the $100 billion in tax rebates it plans to distribute to 132 million households. But only once in the last six weeks have chain stores registered an increase in sales, according to the International Council of Shopping Centers, whose weekly sales survey is a widely watched barometer.

“The initial sense is that people are not running out to the malls to spend their checks,” said Stuart G. Hoffman, chief economist at the PNC Financial Services Group in Pittsburgh. “It’s not quite proving to be a hot potato that’s burning a hole in people’s pockets.”




“They think they give you a check to go out and spend some money, but it’s not enough,” said Mr. Gonzalez. “The dollar doesn’t buy anything anymore. The way the economy is going, people are too scared to spend.”




At retail outlets across the country, many merchants say they have yet to enjoy a bump up in business from the tax rebates.



For some, the rebates seem like a trifling compensation handed out by the same administration whose tax cuts and expensive foreign adventures have damaged the economy.

“It’s insulting and patronizing to try to satisfy a whole nation of people with a little payout,” said Joy Osmanski, 32, an actress in Los Angeles. “To think it’s actually going to inject the economy with anything — that’s bogus.”

In lower-income households, the money has been quickly applied to a backlog of unpaid bills, or set aside amid a spirit of hunkering down.

“Times are tough,” said Lili Gomez, a 54-year-old property manager in Miami who makes about $45,000 a year. She has become the sole breadwinner since her husband, Alejandro, was recently injured at work. When the $1,100 rebate check came, they put it in savings.

“These days, you never know what can happen, and we’re at an age where we feel like we need to save,” she said.

In Dallas, Steven Snow, 60, and his wife, Julia, quickly used up their $600 on gas and groceries.

“We spent it just trying to live,” Mr. Snow said. “They wanted everyone to spend it on stuff they don’t need from Wal-Mart and Home Depot. But really, how far does $600 go?”






FULL STORY (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/business/01checks.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin)

Moby
06-01-2008, 10:47 AM
Everyone knows that we're only borrowing more money to help the current politicians keep their jobs. Well, everyone except Frank. He thinks it's free money.

Smurf-Herder
06-01-2008, 12:29 PM
If you people can't use $600, then send it back.

All general economic problems manifest down to the individual. If this isn't helping you in the short-term financially, then give it away to someone who could use it. Immediate personal situations have a priority, IMO. So if you're more concerned with the general state of the economy than your own personal needs (how Altruistic of you), you don't need the money; so give it back to the people.

My $600 came just in time to, with just enough money to deal with a family emergency.

Moby
06-01-2008, 04:28 PM
If you people can't use $600, then send it back.

All general economic problems manifest down to the individual. If this isn't helping you in the short-term financially, then give it away to someone who could use it. Immediate personal situations have a priority, IMO. So if you're more concerned with the general state of the economy than your own personal needs (how Altruistic of you), you don't need the money; so give it back to the people.

My $600 came just in time to, with just enough money to deal with a family emergency.
We borrowed the money from China and Saudi Arabia and forced ALL Americans to take the loan. You will never be allowed to pay it back either. When you die your children and grandchildren will still be paying the interest on this loan that you are using now.

If my 4 year old daughter is being forced to pay interest on this loan to other countries then I'm going to put it into her savings.

Smurf-Herder
06-02-2008, 08:38 PM
We borrowed the money from China and Saudi Arabia and forced ALL Americans to take the loan. You will never be allowed to pay it back either. When you die your children and grandchildren will still be paying the interest on this loan that you are using now.

If my 4 year old daughter is being forced to pay interest on this loan to other countries then I'm going to put it into her savings.

I didn't borrow it.

And the government's going to tax us whatever they want anyway; regardless of what is or isn't borrowed.

With all the wasted money in washington, you're worried about an individual's one-time $600 obligation over a period of a couple generations? I think there's bigger fish to fry.

disrupter
06-02-2008, 09:37 PM
He is stimulating the PROFIT MARGINS of OIL COMPANIES!

that is, after all, all that Bush REALLY gives a damn about.

he is even willing to SUICIDE the PLANET for their wicked, avaricious profits.

Bush & the neocons are actually certifiably insane,
as well as war criminals.

Smurf-Herder
06-03-2008, 05:57 PM
He is stimulating the PROFIT MARGINS of OIL COMPANIES!

that is, after all, all that Bush REALLY gives a damn about.

he is even willing to SUICIDE the PLANET for their wicked, avaricious profits.

Bush & the neocons are actually certifiably insane,
as well as war criminals.

"Leaning from the edges of the time-space barge they dabbled their fingers in the tachyon stream like unto gods.

A single drop upon their tongues & they lived, simultaneously in several Universes at once."

Sounds like you're the master of your own Singularity.

Frankg
06-03-2008, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Ladymod
I don't think this is what Bush meant by "stimulating" the economy
FYI Cupcake:

Nancy Pelosi sponsored H.R. 5140: Economic Stimulus Act of 2008
and it was co-sponsored by 10 democrats and 5 republicans

It was passed by the Democratic House 385-35

It was passed by the Democratic Senate 81-16

Signed by President George W Bush Feb 13, 2008
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5140


Better re-think that title:doh:

Smurf-Herder
06-03-2008, 06:55 PM
FYI Cupcake:

Nancy Pelosi sponsored H.R. 5140: Economic Stimulus Act of 2008
and it was co-sponsored by 10 democrats and 5 republicans

It was passed by the Democratic House 385-35

It was passed by the Democratic Senate 81-16

Signed by President George W Bush Feb 13, 2008
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5140

I remember seeing it in the news, when both parties gave the press conference; talking about how they both came together to rush this through.

So guys, whatever you have to say about this, this is a Pelosi Bill; co-sponsored by twice as many Democrats as Republicans.

Thanks Frank. I completely forgot about the origins of all this.

disrupter
06-04-2008, 02:04 PM
It is the BUSH policy that has hampered Iraq oil from getting to world markets.

No one else to blame but BUSH!

Ha, Ha, Ha,

Neolying Neolosers.

PLUS
it is Bush's threatening to needlessly attack Iran that is helping drive oil prices up even higher.

You NeoNuts are such self defeating losers,

what is really sad is you want to drag everyone else down with your loser insanity too.

Help save the USA, humanity & life,
shoot a neocon,

TODAY!