world war III

[mspin72]

Lets call this what it really is...
The only person that has the balls to call this World War III is Newt Greenwich.
It may not be WWW III in the sense that nukes are being launched but its a world war against Islamic Fascism....FACT!
Lets face it 95% of the wars being fought are against Islamic militants world wide. So its truly is a global war, is it not? What truly puzzles me is the rest of the earth for some reason just does not get it. Its the civilized world against barbaric psychopaths.
People who are willing to take out hundreds/thousands/millions of people walking to work minding there own business is what we are fighting. They want to bring the world back to the middle ages. I read both sides, I understand that what we watch is spun but the enemy prefers showing images of dead and wounded women/children which enrages the movement. I think most people understand that collateral damage is happening day to day because of Iraq and Afghanistan, etc... but we don't need to be shown the images. I fear though long term for my children. I think we are headed for some rough waters and unfortunately we are losing the propaganda war.

[Tommy]

Hi MsSpin72 welcome to the board
and thank you for posting

I am a very liberal, live and let live kind of person

I try to be sympathetic to both sides and understand the issues of both sides

but my patience and understanding is coming to an end with the Arab countries


to me WW1 and WW2 were such big and dramitic wars.
giving this skirmish a WW title sort of puts down the signifagance of the other 2 wars

its only been 2 weeks and on CNN right now there is reports of peace talks
so....


Couldnt the first Iraq war be considered a world war
it involved mutpile countries fighting on at least one side

and wouldnt this Iraq war be considered a world war for the same reasons


although who knows in a year or 2 you might be saying
I told ya so

[Linkster]

Tommy - I believe the Iraq war would now be considered a civil war with us in there acting as traffic police to make sure the sides dont try to take out the green zone

[SirMoby]

Welcome MsSpin72,

Currently the war between Lebanon and Israel could very well be about Islamic fascism.

It would seem that the wars involving Iraq are not. The current war in Iraq may be about oil $$$ pure and simple or maybe the administration really did believe that Iraq was supporting terrorism against America even though no evidence had been presented.

Desert Storm was all about oil $$$. There was no question that Kuwait was trying to bully Iraq and Saddam spanked them for it.

Many of the wars in the Middle East are about the issue of whether or not Israel has legal claim to the land and all of the things on that land in that coastal area.

I think most of the wars going on in the world over the past 20 years have been in Africa or at least most of the deaths and the killing. Since they don't have enough oil to be of concern to US interests they don't appear on Fox News.

[Mr. Blue]

Seems to me most people are getting a little hysterical over what amounts to typical Middle East politics. They fight, they sign cease fires, both sides get ready for the next fight, it goes to hell, etc, etc, it's all cyclical in nature.

The thing is, people keep trying to point to Israel as the source of the problem...If they were, why have they been able to maintain peaceful relations with Egypt and Jordan?

UN resolution 1559 needs to be enforced. The UN needs to quit sitting on their asses and passing meaningless resolutions that they have no intention of enforcing. Lebanon is a pawn of foreign powers, they need to get UN peacekeepers in, they need to do what 1559 said, to disarm militias, and Lebanon needs to sign a peace treaty with Israel and let it be.

[Mr. Blue]

btw, welcome to the board :)

[Bill]

This is the beginning of world war three.

But this will be a different war, a 4th generation war. A network war. A war between states and non-state organizations that will eventually trigger off wars between states.

Birthrate is the most powerful weapon of world war three.

Oil is probably the second most powerful weapon.

In a funny way, it's a return to war before states - similar to what they have in africa - where all the deadly hot wars are fought by disorganized private militias that don't even deserve to be called irregulars.

[Altanana]

I certainly hope this is the beginning of WWIII...if not we are all doomed. In another 5 years we won't stand a chance of protecting America and keeping the fighting out of our own country.

Wake up people see the writing on the Jihads....Kill all Americans, Kill all Christians, Kill all but Radical Islam...yes all over the world they are killing....all for Islam.

10 years from now Americans will be wearing burkas and facing East or die.

Get out of your recliners and SUV and look at what is really happening. Don't sit there safely in your little hovel and think you will never have to deal with death to your family and friends. If we don't stop these fanatics in the ME we will be fighting them here.

[Linkster]

Wow - you do get brainwashed easily :lmao2:

[SirMoby]

I certainly hope this is the beginning of WWIII...if not we are all doomed. In another 5 years we won't stand a chance of protecting America and keeping the fighting out of our own country.

Wake up people see the writing on the Jihads....Kill all Americans, Kill all Christians, Kill all but Radical Islam...yes all over the world they are killing....all for Islam.

10 years from now Americans will be wearing burkas and facing East or die.

Get out of your recliners and SUV and look at what is really happening. Don't sit there safely in your little hovel and think you will never have to deal with death to your family and friends. If we don't stop these fanatics in the ME we will be fighting them here.
I think if we simply pulled all troops out of the Middle East then the Middle East would have no reason to care about us.

9/11 was about troops in Saudi Arabia so we pulled the troops out and look, no more terrorism here in the USA. Now we have lots going on in Iraq but we're occupying the country. If we pull out of Iraq then will there still be a reason for war?

There may be a small group of Islamic idiots that want to kill people but it's probably no more then the group of Christians that think we need to kill all the Muslims.

Don't you think that most Iraqis just want to live their lives and be done with all the fighting?

Terror Alert: Elevated :)

[mspin72]

SirMoby, the issue here is not leaving the middle east. Damage is already done.
They hate everything we stand for.
If we left tomorrow, these nut jobs will given enough time and left alone will eventually acquire a nuke or dirty bomb. In my opinion they will have no problem using it, whether is launched or smuggled in that is the real issue. They are the ones brainwashed, its thier way or no way.
AS I mentioned in the prior email, they have no problem meeting there maker and bringing millions down with them. Its a sick thought but someone, some country has got to change there thought process.

I read today something very disturbing. Indonesia is the fastest growing Muslim nation. In the past they were know for being more moderate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/01/world/asia/01indo.html?ex=1312084800&en=4a78a01492a22c3f&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Please read this link its baffles my mind. Because of drinking they can cane you in the Muslim religion. Not to mention they televised it.
This is what I'm saying, civilized people cant let this grow and fester like cancer. Altanana said we'll be wearing burkas, thats not too far off if the civilized world losses in the long run.

[AnthonyC]

Nostradamus predicted this:(

[SirMoby]

mspin, I agree that we can't just pull out of Iraq because we've fucked it up bad. We need to change something because the death toll keeps rising, costs keep rising and anti-American sentiment keeps rising.

I've been to Indonesia and other Muslim countries in that region. They're amazingly nice, polite and thoughtful people. Generally they don't seem to hate anyone.

In the past 6 years we've seen hate grow. A member of the Saudi Royal Family took responsibility for crashing planes on 9/11/2001. That set off a chain reaction of events that have done little but foster hate and made the world a very dangerous place. We needed to go into Afghanistan and if we would have stopped, we would have the World's support today. Now, as you point out, we're seeing a distention around the world.

More and more people are turning away from Western values in a time when we should be recruiting people towards our values. Even our own country is filled with hate (try and read one topic hear where someone isn't bashing someone else for simply having a different point of view).

It's my belief that every time we do NOT foster peace we are fostering hate towards us. Every time someone is tortured by us the same thing happens. It doesn't appear that we're helping Iraq since the infrastructure is in worse shape then it was before we stepped in.

We're less then 5% of the world and we're talking about how we need to control it.

An approach that has worked for our enemies is to bring charity to the world and spread the wealth. Hamas, Hezbollah and many groups provide humanitarian aid to their people and that's how they manage to get support. We've done the opposite and we're seeing the results. We'll raise the minimum wage for the poorest if we offer tax breaks to richest. We preach about human rights but ignore them ourselves.

Undoing the past 6 years will take a long time but going further down the same path is not the answer.

The USA is still a great country and we can be down the road but not taking a road filled with hate, fear and greed. We have to be seen as the best way instead of others showing us up.

[mspin72]

agreed with much but no one else has the balls to step up. Believe me I hate that everyone looks at us as the worlds only super power. What puzzles me is China and Russia seem to have there own agenda and the constantly rebut and negate everything we do. Don't they see the real problem. For Christ sake you have more PHD and MBA grown out of these 2 countries than the US. They are educated they see the same issue globally that we do but they counter every thing we do. Its clear tome that they want to counter balance the US, I don't have a problem with another super power or 2 if they has embraced some form of democracy, maybe not a carbon copy of ours but some form of capitalism.

yes we fucked up Iraq but I think in my heart that Iraq was the easier of the 3 to topple and Bush wanted to capitalize on this anti terror war. How many bombs can we lobe off to Afghanistan. Im not angry that they wanted to keep the momentum but Iraq clearly wasn't the right choice, Iran and N.Korea are the real issue.

You also mention that Hamas and the other shower their people with food and gifts. We are the most generous country in the world and the rest of the planet seems to forget that. Last yr was a record for charities but it goes unnoticed. I really feel that we are not doing a good enough job with a positive form of propaganda.

one final note, I think our president is awful @ public speaking and it shows. He lacks conviction when he speaks and people read right thru it.
I'm not a Bush basher, but I think he's made some terrible mistakes. I really don't think anyone in his shoes could have done much better considering the weight of the world is on any presidents shoulders, especially now. Everything you do is under a microscope.
I just pray for my kids...its a scary time in our history. Lets all hope that we can turn things around hopefully with the help of other civilized countries, not just the US.

[Linkster]

Russia and China wont do anything - Russia doesnt have the money and have way to many internal struggles going on

China is just waiting for us to finish off what we're doing with the Mid. East - they are quietly supplying Iran and will support a full-out war against the US as they know that they have the money, arms and soldiers to kick the US's ass anytime - especially when we have idiots running the country and the military

[mspin72]

shame, they are educated and they have of the brightest people on the earth. I'm an IT recruiter, most of the candidates I place are PhD's from China/India/Russia. They have to know what's @ stake. Do you mean to tell me that China wouldn't be directly effected by a global world war. Hell they have a minor problem with extremist as well in their own county. Much like Russia. Look my point is simple, I would like to believe that the civilized nations know that we could be at the brink of Armageddon. I cant imagine that China would happy with zero growth while they enjoy 11% GDP. This effects every country. I just don't get it. China/Russia in bed with Iran. Leftist Chavez flexing his strength and he's in chats with all of our enemies. It almost seems like a perfect storm. In the end I know its about $$$, strategic partnerships, oil etc.... But it would all be at risk if the sky falls literally.
Why cant the global community come together and tackle this cancer of extremism head on once and for all. This clash of civilization is going to bring it all down.

To be honest its not 100% clear why China and Russia(non Muslim states) would want to take the side of Islamic Fascism.

[Bill]

It won't be that kind of war.

This war will be about birthrate, infiltration, invention, inflammation, and conversion. The death of a thousand cuts.

It will look more like disease than like the shooting wars of the 20th century.

The only way to win this war is to make oil worthless, except as a feedstock for plastics.

[NobleSavage]

The only person that has the balls to call this World War III is Newt Greenwich.

I think Newt is just trying to get back into the spotlight, sell more copies of his book, and drum up support for a possible presidential bid. Saying WWIII has started and tying in Israel and the Middle East is a tried and true method to fire up the religious conservatives who have fantasies about the "end times".

[Bill]

Europe is in a more vulnerable strategic position than north and South America, and is suffering the consequences of wwiii more than we are.

Which is why You have somebosy like Blair saying this:

"The conflict in the Middle East, as well as others involving Muslim extremists, revolve around "modernization within Islam" and whether the Western system of values can "beat theirs," British Prime Minister Tony Blair said in a speech Tuesday.

Speaking to the Los Angeles World Affairs Council, Blair went on to say that the struggle was between moderate, benign values versus the hatred and intolerance of fundamentalism.

"Even the issue of Israel is just part of the same wider struggle for the soul of the region," Blair said. "If we recognize this struggle for what it truly is, we would be at least along the first steps of the path to winning it. But I fear a vast part of Western opinion is not remotely near this yet."

He added, "Whatever the outward manifestation at any one time -- in Lebanon, in Gaza, in Iraq, and add to that in Afghanistan, in Kashmir, in a host of other nations, including now some in Africa -- this everywhere is a global fight about global values.

"It's about modernization within Islam and out of it. It's about whether our value system can be shown to be sufficiently robust, true, principled and appealing that it beats theirs."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/01/mideast.blair/index.html

[Tommy]

Hvae you ever heard Newt offer a good solution for anything

all i get out of him is the sky is falling

[The Walrus]

Europe is in a more vulnerable strategic position than north and South America, and is suffering the consequences of wwiii more than we are.

Which is why You have somebosy like Blair saying this:

"The conflict in the Middle East, as well as others involving Muslim extremists, revolve around "modernization within Islam" and whether the Western system of values can "beat theirs," British Prime Minister Tony Blair said in a speech Tuesday.

Speaking to the Los Angeles World Affairs Council, Blair went on to say that the struggle was between moderate, benign values versus the hatred and intolerance of fundamentalism.

"Even the issue of Israel is just part of the same wider struggle for the soul of the region," Blair said. "If we recognize this struggle for what it truly is, we would be at least along the first steps of the path to winning it. But I fear a vast part of Western opinion is not remotely near this yet."

He added, "Whatever the outward manifestation at any one time -- in Lebanon, in Gaza, in Iraq, and add to that in Afghanistan, in Kashmir, in a host of other nations, including now some in Africa -- this everywhere is a global fight about global values.

"It's about modernization within Islam and out of it. It's about whether our value system can be shown to be sufficiently robust, true, principled and appealing that it beats theirs."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/01/mideast.blair/index.html
Damn thats a scarey quote....when will people learn they can not and should not force their values on other people, let alone other nations. Doing so on brings about things like hatred, mistrust and violence.

Isn't freedom all about being able to have your own values?

[SirMoby]

mspin, I like your line of thought even if I don't agree with everything that you say.

For the last 6 years, to many outside of the USA we look like the crazy extremists. Think about it.

1. The state run by Dubya's brother didn't count votes accurately and instead of a complete recount or a new vote, he was simply appointed his office. If that happened in another country with a ruler that we didn't like we'd be up in arms.

2. It seems that Iraq was no threat to anyone outside of the Middle East yet 100 a day or dying and we've not rebuilt any of the infrastructure that was destroyed. We put Saddam in power to control Iran and once removed him Iran is now out of control.

3. We're being accused and in fact there's video tapes of the USA committing terrible human rights violations.

4. Dubya has documented in a signing statement that he will use torture any time he chooses and he also speaks about God at the same time. How does someone from another belief explain that?

5. We're tracking the phone calls of our own citizens knowing full well that the terrorist are too smart to be using traceable phone lines. What are they tracking?

6. We're not calling for peace in the Middle East and we've stated that we would not be involved with any peace keeping force in Lebanon.

7. We have politicians such as Frist, Delay, Allen bashing the Supreme Court for keeping things in check.

8. Our politician openly speak about doing what's best for the party instead of speaking about what's best for the people. You heard that during the cold war but not from the free world.

Think about how this looks to the outside world. The USA is getting closer to a Fascist Theocracy every day and yet that's supposed to be what we're fighting against.

In the last 6 years we've done plenty to foster anger and fear in the world. Isn't that how you recruit people for the other side?

[Tommy]

I cant wait to see how things turn out in November
the next 2 years could be really intersting

[mspin72]

I agree big Tom. Although its a scary time I think its also an interesting time in our history. Lots @ stake long term and the next guy/gal will make a huge difference. We need another Roosevelt. We need someone who is not only charismatic but convincing. I think one of the best examples is Tony Blare. He speaks with such passion and he's good under pressure.
Care to weigh in on who would be a good candidate?

[Tommy]

Hillary :-)

I would love to see a woman or a minority become president

and that would be some really interesting times

all the pro goverment bush lovers and defenders would have to flip from defending the pres to attacking her


and just suppose the woman president did a REALLY good job
things could change in a huge way

[mspin72]

not her, anyone but her. Maybe Condi but Hill is so 2 faces, she's the worst flip flopper in town. not to mention when she talks she has one tone of voice. Its almost like robotic.
Please Tommy, you can do better than that.

[Tommy]

Msspin why do you hate her so much ???

that flip flopper thing is just a campaign slogan
I cant beleive you feel its best to make a desicion and then stick to that no matter what happens, no matter how bad things go

that's just not smart to me

I wish you would try and keep more of an open mind with her

I feel that she has good domestic policies

like reforming health care
I pay a small fortune for health insurance
most company's wont insure me because my company is to small
the ones that will charge me almost triple

then after paying blue cross 1700.00 a month for a couple of years they cancel me right before my wife gave birth to twins

we went to the hospital with no health ins
I was told that the delivery would be around 6k
around 2000.00 for anesthesia
600.00 for a high risk baby doctor (and we needed 2)
2000.00 a day for each person
2 twins plus the mother=6000.00 a day for 4 days

then my son ended up in the ICU ward
that was 7000.00 a day and he was in there like 6 days



she is blue collar worker friendly
I know that can be good and bad but the middle class has taking a lot of hits and who ever speaks out for them is getting my vote


and one thing I have to give her a lot of credit for
she held her marriage together thru that whole Monica thing

the embarrassment this poor woman must have felt while the whole world laughed as it played out on TV

its one thing if your spouse cheats but to have every person in the world know about it and for it to drag on for months and months even years
I know I wouldn't have stuck by my spouse

I cant think of a single person on the planet who has shown more respect for the sanctity of marriage

and she isn't afraid to speak out against her party
that's one thing that I hate about politicians

how can republicans or democrats from New York all have the same opinions as a fellow politician from Georgia
on every single issue

that's just not possible and its shows where their loyalties lie
not with the country or the people that voted for them

its with their party's, who base their opinions on campaign contributions


she is pro enviorment and when something bad happens in NY
she always shows her face
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/439025p-369837c.html

[SirMoby]

not her, anyone but her. Maybe Condi but Hill is so 2 faces, she's the worst flip flopper in town. not to mention when she talks she has one tone of voice. Its almost like robotic.
Please Tommy, you can do better than that.
A monotone voice means that she couldn't be a great leader?

Dubya spoke of conservative issues yet he's increased spending, the size of government, the reach of government (all more then any other) and speaks of God and torture at the same time. How much more could he flip?

Personally I don't think the average American is open minded enough to elect any woman or minority as President but I'm at least open minded enough to listen.

[boortzland]

Hillary?
Too much baggage, too much past coruption. But if it were Condi, I'd consider it.
The last thing we need is "Hillarycare" aka socailized medicine. I dont pretent to have the answers to insurance and heathcare, but i know we dont want ot create yet another giant government beaurocracy.

At least Condi is self confident, and has integrity. A personality that could do a good job, get crossover votes and project the integrity of the office is "Fred Thompson". Hey, one of our greatest presidents, Ronald W Regan started as an actor. Fred has been in congress and has always impressed me with his integrity. And on Law & Order he plays a judge that always tries to do the right thing. Most if not all of the parts he's played have been caracters "with character".

[Tommy]

Dr Rice would work but she has to much of that Bush stink on her
but I could see myself voting for her

on Oreilly last night he did an interview with Rudy Gulianni.

Bill mentioned him running and Rudy didnt deny it

he would make a good president

I guess if I got to pick it would have to be Rudy Gulianni
even with what i said about a woman or a minority being president

I cant go against my NYC roots

[Kinky Jones]

you guys are insane to want condi in the white house... her big oil ties alone should be enough to change your mind... and the fact that she spurts out over and over the same BS as everybody else in the bush cabinet and gets promotions by proving her loyalty buy allowing herself to be thrown under the bus by her boy dubya proves she really doesn't have integrity, TV lies!!! :taunt:

[docholly]

I like Giuliani too.. he did a lot for NYC.. both as federal prosecuter and as mayor but unfortunately up until 9/11 he pretty much had burned his bridges with the whole adultry biz and Donna Hanover locking herself into gracie mansion etc.

but i agree, if the public could get past that Rudi would be pretty good.

But also there was some business with 1st amendment rights and an art show.. tho goddess knows i can't remember what.. but i know at the time thinking Dammit.. why did he fucking blow it.

Ok.. Rudy .. Maybe.



Dr Rice would work but she has to much of that Bush stink on her
but I could see myself voting for her

on Oreilly last night he did an interview with Rudy Gulianni.

Bill mentioned him running and Rudy didnt deny it

he would make a good president

I guess if I got to pick it would have to be Rudy Gulianni
even with what i said about a woman or a minority being president

I cant go against my NYC roots

[Mr. Blue]

I guess if I got to pick it would have to be Rudy Gulianni
even with what i said about a woman or a minority being president

I cant go against my NYC roots

Yep, I'd probably vote for Rudy as well. The NYC roots thing is a pretty strong pull and it's definitely one of the reasons I would vote for him. Actually, when I read through history books and Presidents, the only President that I really admired was Theodore Roosevelt, another product of NYC.

Seriously they should just let New Yorkers run everything...wtf does the rest of the country know :D

[Altanana]

1. The state run by Dubya's brother didn't count votes accurately and instead of a complete recount or a new vote, he was simply appointed his office. If that happened in another country with a ruler that we didn't like we'd be up in arms.

WRONG...the media declared Gore the winner an hour before Florida had finished voting...yes Florida has TWO TIME ZONES and all of North Florida were still at the polls....thus the error. Also, there were numerous recounts and the ballots are still available yet even to this day no one has provern them to be counted wrong...funny isn't it? Like surely the radicals would examine every hanging chad and declare proof of a miscount if they could.


2. It seems that Iraq was no threat to anyone outside of the Middle East yet 100 a day or dying and we've not rebuilt any of the infrastructure that was destroyed. We put Saddam in power to control Iran and once removed him Iran is now out of control. Iraq was a know threat for years before Bush ever took office. See John Kerry's speech to the Senate in 1996 stating Saddam had WMDs and was a threat that had to be removed even if by force. This may have been wrong, but it was wrong long before becoming Bush's lies....

3. We're being accused and in fact there's video tapes of the USA committing terrible human rights violations. I think those who were involved in such violations were tried and punished...to say this is "policy" is only kicking sand. As for torture being allowed, that would depend on what you consider torture...like maybe beheadings as the terrorist do and seems to be no problem for most.

4. Dubya has documented in a signing statement that he will use torture any time he chooses and he also speaks about God at the same time. How does someone from another belief explain that? One man's torture is another man's interrogation...as our own POWs what they considered torture when they were POWs which are protected by the Geneva Convention and not just ENEMY COMBATANTS who are not.

5. We're tracking the phone calls of our own citizens knowing full well that the terrorist are too smart to be using traceable phone lines. What are they tracking? Get a grip, even the Dems agree this is a valuable tool and does not violate any citizens rights.

6. We're not calling for peace in the Middle East and we've stated that we would not be involved with any peace keeping force in Lebanon. We are calling for Peace, but an enduring peace not appeasement and allowing terrorists another 6 years to stockpile, train, and dig in for another assault possibly even using even more devastating weapons supplied by Rogue States like Syria and Iran. We also do not belong in any force in Lebanon, our last time there 243 of our Marines were killed and with Anti-American sentiment why wave a red flag. Let the other countires do their part for a change.

7. We have politicians such as Frist, Delay, Allen bashing the Supreme Court for keeping things in check. The Supreme court is LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH...you need a lesson in the Constitution and Seperation of Powers.

8. Our politician openly speak about doing what's best for the party instead of speaking about what's best for the people. You heard that during the cold war but not from the free world.
The best thing for the party is the best thing for the people since the majority rule we live by put the party in power. Think about it...what good is a vote if it doesn't matter when YOUR party doesn't win?

Try some objective reason and stop the rhetoric and rumors.

[boortzland]

Good post! Glad to have you on this blog. Help keep the balance.

I thought this string was supposed to be about WWIII. It has morphed into something com-letely off topic.

Besides, this cant be WWIII, the French have not surrendered yet.:lmao2:

[Kinky Jones]

WRONG...the media declared Gore the winner an hour before Florida had finished voting...yes Florida has TWO TIME ZONES and all of North Florida were still at the polls....thus the error. Also, there were numerous recounts and the ballots are still available yet even to this day no one has provern them to be counted wrong...funny isn't it? Like surely the radicals would examine every hanging chad and declare proof of a miscount if they could..

read up on the florida elections instead of saying stupid stuff like it was all because of a phone call... the supreme court ended it because there was no way to fairly count the votes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000


Iraq was a know threat for years before Bush ever took office. See John Kerry's speech to the Senate in 1996 stating Saddam had WMDs and was a threat that had to be removed even if by force. This may have been wrong, but it was wrong long before becoming Bush's lies.....

go look up the quotes pre-9/11 with members of the bush cabinet saying bush thinks Iraq was NOT a threat to the US... if he was that would mean the bush sr presidency was the biggest joke in modern history

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm

I think those who were involved in such violations were tried and punished...to say this is "policy" is only kicking sand. As for torture being allowed, that would depend on what you consider torture...like maybe beheadings as the terrorist do and seems to be no problem for most..

google "soldiers accused iraq" is beheading worse than rape of 14yo girls and murder?

One man's torture is another man's interrogation...as our own POWs what they considered torture when they were POWs which are protected by the Geneva Convention and not just ENEMY COMBATANTS who are not..

if you are fighting a war what the fuck is an enemy combatant? the person you are fighting against, your enemy, covered by the Geneva convention especially when you invade their country.. just because you call it a war on a non-physical entity doesn't give you the right to do whatever the hell you want AND make shit up as you go along, especially international laws


Get a grip, even the Dems agree this is a valuable tool and does not violate any citizens rights..

what are you smoking? i want some of it... America wants to impeach Bush over illegal spying read all about it (http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2) consider the source but it makes your statement well, silly

We are calling for Peace, but an enduring peace not appeasement and allowing terrorists another 6 years to stockpile, train, and dig in for another assault possibly even using even more devastating weapons supplied by Rogue States like Syria and Iran. We also do not belong in any force in Lebanon, our last time there 243 of our Marines were killed and with Anti-American sentiment why wave a red flag. Let the other countires do their part for a change..

bush and peace in the middle east... lol... nobody else has done it, i don't expect him to either

The Supreme court is LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH...you need a lesson in the Constitution and Seperation of Powers..

the supreme court does what it wants and answers to nobody, even though dubya thought he had them locked in the palm of his hand by appointing 2 justices they still went against him

The best thing for the party is the best thing for the people since the majority rule we live by put the party in power. Think about it...what good is a vote if it doesn't matter when YOUR party doesn't win?.

neither party does anything they promise the people they will do to get elected... the sytem of voting for a party just ends up with each side constantly fighting... just like we do here :D


Try some objective reason and stop the rhetoric and rumors.

some good advice, try it out for yourself

[Bill]

Besides, this cant be WWIII, the French have not surrendered yet.:lmao2:

The French are actually very skilled and experienced at military matters.

Without them this country would not exist. They helped us when no-one else would.

I'm a traditional conservative, but the modern obsession with the French doesn't have a basis in fact, especially military fact.

Nor will world war 3 look anything like the revolutionary armored blitzkreig attack that made it look so easy for Germany to occupy the French.

[SirMoby]

Altanana,

I’m not sure if you lack the mental capacity to follow a topic of conversation or you just enjoy mental masturbation.

If you cared to take the time to understand my post you would have noticed very quickly that it was not an attack on dems or reps but a statement about how the USA appears to the outside world. That effects our power to influence the world.

Every examination of the Florida votes came up with different numbers. Dubya may have still been the victor but the world knows the numbers were off and the Florida election was run but someone very close to Dubya.

Because John Kerry made a statement in 1996 you think that makes Iraq a threat for long time?

The rest of your points are simply too silly to even mention here.

….

You’ve posted that you hope we’re having World War III. Of course if that’s true thousands will die.

You’ve requested sources for people’s opinions.

You posted a list of events to prove Iraq was a threat but Iraq didn’t have anything to do with anything in your list.

Do you think about what you type or do you just do as the voices tell you?

You need help.

[boortzland]

i know this is an adult forum, but kinky, are you just real fond of the "F" word? It doesnt add to the argument, and does not add to your credibility. We can have civil conversations and even intense disagreement without degrading the conversation to trash talk, gutter language, and name calling.

[boortzland]

The French are actually very skilled and experienced at military matters.

Without them this country would not exist. They helped us when no-one else would.

I'm a traditional conservative, but the modern obsession with the French doesn't have a basis in fact, especially military fact.

Nor will world war 3 look anything like the revolutionary armored blitzkreig attack that made it look so easy for Germany to occupy the French.

I agree, just my attempt at humor. I guess Zach Shirack has not helped the general opinion of Americans of France over the past decade. It's no secret he is no fan of the USA. Between him & the UN, I'm not sure who is worst.

[SirMoby]

i know this is an adult forum, but kinky, are you just real fond of the "F" word? It doesnt add to the argument, and does not add to your credibility. We can have civil conversations and even intense disagreement without degrading the conversation to trash talk, gutter language, and name calling.
I think Kinky has a lot of pent up anger. :)

[Kinky Jones]

i know this is an adult forum, but kinky, are you just real fond of the "F" word? It doesnt add to the argument, and does not add to your credibility. We can have civil conversations and even intense disagreement without degrading the conversation to trash talk, gutter language, and name calling.


fuck is a word, get over it... the forum is called SPEAK YOUR MIND... the shooting the SHIT forum is down the hall, maybe their is a complaint deprtment over there for you :thumbsup:

and as far as credibility with you well i'm pretty sure you know how I feel on that subject already, but if you don't then I'll tell you... I never claimed to have any LOL

but honestly the "F" word as you so unfondly refer to isn;t bad at all to me, same as saying "what the hell?" neither one is so bad, just a bunch of letters put together, they shouldn't have as much power as they do

[Kinky Jones]

I think Kinky has a lot of pent up anger. :)

some things just bug me :taunt:

and I do come off wrong, something with mixed up tubes, over the internet a lot of times, i'm pro American People and neither one of our most powerful parties is, and the American people still keep supporting them over and over and over again

[docholly]

i know this is an adult forum, but kinky, are you just real fond of the "F" word? It doesnt add to the argument, and does not add to your credibility. We can have civil conversations and even intense disagreement without degrading the conversation to trash talk, gutter language, and name calling.

Obviously he doesn't give a fuck. and besides isn't just quoting cheney when he says that?? :taunt:

"go fuck yourself" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney#Rebuilding_of_Iraq)

[Kinky Jones]

Obviously he doesn't give a fuck. and besides isn't just quoting cheney when he says that?? :taunt:


that too :thumbsup: LOL hell your boy dubya was saying SHIT when talking to the PM of England about peace in the middle east... that should make you question someone's character and credibility...

[boortzland]

Wow, we are really showing our maturity. You must be a toothless smoker, Waffle House waitress skank!!

See would it not be better if we could just stay on topic and have a heated discussion without crawling in the gutter, unless thats what gets you going!?

[Kinky Jones]

Wow, we are really showing our maturity. You must be a toothless smoker, Waffle House waitress skank!!

See would it not be better if we could just stay on topic and have a heated discussion without crawling in the gutter, unless thats what gets you going!?

boortz go fuck yourself, seriously.... go fuck yourself... you just made it on a personal level so really, go fuck yourself... and while you are doing it realize that you are having a form of sex and that is the reason we are all really here, to further our species... sex = fuck fuck isn't a bad thing, it's a shame that so many Americans think so

stop crying over a WORD!!!!!!!!

[boortzland]

boortz go fuck yourself, seriously.... go fuck yourself... you just made it on a personal level so really, go fuck yourself... and while you are doing it realize that you are having a form of sex and that is the reason we are all really here, to further our species... sex = fuck fuck isn't a bad thing, it's a shame that so many Americans think so

stop crying over a WORD!!!!!!!!

See how inflamitory words can be...that was my point. We can sit here and throw insults, or like i said we can have discussions and leave the other stuff out. i just thought it was language you could understand, i guess i was wrong.

[Kinky Jones]

See how inflamitory words can be...that was my point. We can sit here and throw insults, or like i said we can have discussions and leave the other stuff out. i just thought it was language you could understand, i guess i was wrong.

you threw the only insults around here???? i said ONE word you didn't like which was just a thought on my mind so I spoke it, not even saying it to or at anybody specific and you raise a stink and resort to childish name calling, is your skin really that thin? have you completly lost your sense of humor?

not everybody thinks, acts, and talks like you and being offended by the f word in a thread about WWIII is stupid IMO and obviously i'm not the only one that thinks so

if i would have said hey fuck you you idiot what is an enemy combatant I would have been completly out of line but i did no such thing, well until now but obviously you did not understand that i was trying to point out to you that the f word is not such a terrible thing, i know it is something you don't want to except but it is the truth... next time i will try to remember to say heck so I dont offend you...

[Kinky Jones]

next time i will try to remember to say heck so I dont offend you...

and I do really mean that, it wasn't meant as another silly jab :thumbsup:

we should be somewhat civil on here and I don't wanna have threads take the turn this one did

[boortzland]

and I do really mean that, it wasn't meant as another silly jab :thumbsup:

we should be somewhat civil on here and I don't wanna have threads take the turn this one did

Thankyou, thats all i can ask. Civility restored! :hi:

[Tommy]

So looking back...........

I guess Newt Greenwich was wrong..... again
it didnt turn out to be WW3

EVERYBODY HIDE .... QUICK ITS WW3
The Sky is Falling
The Sky is Falling
The Sky is Falling :taunt:

[Linkster]

Tommy - give it a few months till after the elections (it may even start the progression right before though) - you will see the white house release a document that says Iran is buying yellowcake from Africa - and things will go downhill from there - add to that that Israel will attack Irans nuclear facilities and you will see a global war like none before
I also predict that there will be a terrorist attack on our soil within weeks before the elections if not sooner - and in my mind will probably involve either a nuke or a dirty bomb - gotta get those fear levels up to pre-Hitler Germany levels

[SirMoby]

I also predict that there will be a terrorist attack on our soil within weeks before the elections if not sooner - and in my mind will probably involve either a nuke or a dirty bomb - gotta get those fear levels up to pre-Hitler Germany levels
While I've made many bets that WMDs will be used before Dubya leaves office (I made 3 other bets the day he took office and I won them all :) ) I don't think they're ready to allow such use on US soil just yet. I think it's more likely at the next election or the election where Jeb runs. They may concede the 2008 election because our debt will be so high and our military so stretched that higher taxes and the draft will be needed. No one really wants to fix the issues that Dubya caused.

There is also the time between the 2008 election and when Dubya leaves office. That's the time that his daddy sent troops to a couple of places to really much things up. I think that's also a very likely time for nukes to fly some where.