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Smurf-Herder
05-25-2008, 02:57 PM
I hope it's successful. Mars landings for some reason fail more than half the time.

US probe to attempt perilous landing on Martian arctic
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jfQynMkrR9xW6iqcnasCp9Xp6Guw


The rovers are coming up with real finds:

Mars rover eyes hot spring-like deposits
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/05/23/2253699.htm?site=science&topic=latest

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200805/r253131_1043236.jpg
Mars may have once had hot springs similar to those found at Yellowstone National Park in the US (Source: NASA)

"Deposits of near pure silica on Mars were formed by volcanic vapours or hot-spring-type events crossing through soil and could contain traces of past life, scientists say.

The silica, detected in 2007 by the NASA rover Spirit is fully described in today's issue of the journal Science.

"On Earth, hydrothermal deposits teem with life and the associated silica deposits typically contain fossil remains of microbes," says study team member astrobiologist Professor Jack Farmer of the Arizona State University (ASU) in Tempe.

"But we don't know if that's the case here," Farmer says, "because the rovers don't carry instruments that can detect microscopic life."

"What we can say is that this was once a habitable environment where liquid water and the energy needed for life were present," he says.

Making such pure silica requires a lot of water, says co-author Dr Steven Ruff also of ASU.

"On Earth, the only way to have this kind of silica enrichment is by hot water reacting with rocks," he says.

The combination of geothermal heat and water produces a hydrothermal system like that which powers the hot springs, geysers, mudpots, and fumaroles (steam vents) of Yellowstone National Park in the US.

These hydrothermal systems generally yield silica and other minerals as heated groundwater rises, cools, and gives off dissolved gases.

"If there were organisms living [on Mars]," says Farmer, "our terrestrial experience shows that microbes can easily be entrapped and preserved in the deposits."

Silica is an excellent medium for capturing and preserving traces of microbial life, says Farmer.

NASA landed Spirit and the other Mars rover, Opportunity, on opposite sides of Mars in January 2004 to scope out rocks showing the presence of water.

Now the rovers are more than four Earth years into a trek designed to go just three months.

While dust has collected on their solar panels and they have had some mechanical wear, both are still exploring."

I believe eventually we'll find at the very least, fossils of ancient microbal life.

Cat slave
05-25-2008, 04:39 PM
Wonder if Sheila Jackson will rant about the flag not being shown that was
put there by the "astronauts"! Hellloooooo....is anybody home?

Moby
05-26-2008, 03:20 AM
Looks like it went well. I've heard that it sent back a dozen or so pics. Haven't had time to find them yet but it's there are working.

Smurf-Herder
05-26-2008, 10:04 AM
They had a really cool special on the landing on the National Geographic channel last night. Using computer models of everything scientists know so far, they believe Mars was covered in water and had a warmer, thicker atmosphere around 3.9 billion years ago.

Both Earth and Mars formed at the same time; with Mars about half the size of Earth. Because of the size difference, Mars cooled much faster than Earth; and was able to form a hospitable atmosphere earlier. But also because of the size, Mars cooled down a couple billion years sooner than Earth; to the point where it's core wasn't able to sustain a strong enough magnetic field to block the solar raditation and solar wind. This burned away a lot of the atmosphere, after irradiating whatever surface life may have formed.

But everything points to a period of a couple billion years of a wet, warm, life-friendly environment Mars; which existed and died before life on Earth ever got started.

Cat slave
05-26-2008, 01:04 PM
You know there are some scientists that believe we are descended form
life from Mars. I dont discount it at all even if it were just on some debris
from meteors or something like that.

Haha, at the end of some sf movie, they said "we have met the Martians and
they are us". Who knows. Truth is always stranger than fiction.

Yeah, I saw some clips of how the vehicle works. Pretty amazing stuff.

Smurf-Herder
05-28-2008, 12:33 AM
"Something" (they referred to it as a transient event) turned off the UHF radio on the orbiter, so they say it's going to take a week to tell the arm to start digging.

Moby
05-28-2008, 02:16 AM
I think this solar system, like billions of others, can sustain life in many places. There's no reason why life has to be carbon based or use gases such as oxygen which is very flammable.

I think the chances of Mars having life on it are very good. I also think that one day life could form on one of the gas giants.

Smurf-Herder
05-28-2008, 07:00 PM
I think this solar system, like billions of others, can sustain life in many places. There's no reason why life has to be carbon based or use gases such as oxygen which is very flammable.

I think the chances of Mars having life on it are very good. I also think that one day life could form on one of the gas giants.

We're in total agreement on this one.

They found undersea worms around volcanic vents and bacteria in Yellowstine that can survive extreme temperatures and metabolize methane. Extremophiles can live in the least likely environments.

Some of the moons of Saturn anf Jupiter look promising.

My belief is, life finds a way wherever conditions allow for an uninterrupted evolution. it's just a question of how far it can evolve before environmental conditions change; of if the change enhances the evolution - like the meteor helping us take over from the dinosaurs.

Smurf-Herder
05-28-2008, 07:04 PM
BTW, they fixed the orbiter transmitter - but the toilet on the space station broke.

Karmic balance?

Bill
05-29-2008, 05:39 PM
The wife and I set off fireworks to celebrate the successful landing.

A beautiful accomplishment. America at it's finest.

Moby
05-29-2008, 06:03 PM
We're in total agreement on this one.

They found undersea worms around volcanic vents and bacteria in Yellowstine that can survive extreme temperatures and metabolize methane. Extremophiles can live in the least likely environments.

Some of the moons of Saturn anf Jupiter look promising.

My belief is, life finds a way wherever conditions allow for an uninterrupted evolution. it's just a question of how far it can evolve before environmental conditions change; of if the change enhances the evolution - like the meteor helping us take over from the dinosaurs.
NASA estimates that there are 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (that's like a million trillion) stars out there. Even if 1 in a million has planets around it the that's still a trillion chances for life similar to ours to evolve.

Just by the shear volume of the universe life HAD to form. I know many people say that life is too complex for it to form naturally but I say that the universe it to vast and diverse for it not to form naturally.

So far we're only talking about life forms that are based on proteins. Who says life has to be based on proteins? That thought opens up another infinite amount of possibilities.

Cat slave
05-30-2008, 04:38 AM
Exactly! Why do people think that "we" are examples of the only life in the
universe? That without water life cannot exist....well, not our kind of life
but how insignificant we are in the grand scheme of things...who knows
whats "out" there. Its hard to understand something that has no end...just
goes on and on and on, infinitely. It more than I can get my brain around.

LadyMod at scam.com
05-30-2008, 08:13 AM
It's amazing.

We have the capability to design a probe that can travel 457 million miles. It can land safely on the hostile surface of Mars and then send vital information about the planet back to Earth.

Meanwhile we STILL can't find a terrorist hiding on our own planet.



Lady Mod

Smurf-Herder
05-31-2008, 01:19 AM
NASA estimates that there are 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (that's like a million trillion) stars out there. Even if 1 in a million has planets around it the that's still a trillion chances for life similar to ours to evolve.

Just by the shear volume of the universe life HAD to form. I know many people say that life is too complex for it to form naturally but I say that the universe it to vast and diverse for it not to form naturally.

So far we're only talking about life forms that are based on proteins. Who says life has to be based on proteins? That thought opens up another infinite amount of possibilities.

I remember a show on cable where the topic was Panspermia.

In one segment they showed how extremely powerful impacts, like meteors and comets, produce ...... I forgot what the terms was, but it produces whatever it is you need to build proteins out of.

The occurence of life appears to be a by-product of natural interactions.