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Moby
05-23-2008, 03:46 PM
It's so hard to tell if things are getting better or worse in this place :(

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/22/AR2008052203869.html?nav=rss_email/components

Military Says Attacks Save Troops' Lives, but Civilian Casualties Elicit Criticism

By Ernesto Londoņo and Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, May 23, 2008; Page A10

CAMP TAJI, Iraq -- From an Apache helicopter, Capt. Ben Katzenberger's battlefield resembles a vast mosaic of tiny brown boxes.

"The city looks like a bucket of Legos dumped out on the ground," the 26-year-old pilot said. "It's brown Legos, no color. It's really dense and hard to pick things out because everything looks the same."

In recent weeks, Katzenberger and other pilots have dramatically increased their use of helicopter-fired missiles against enemy fighters, often in densely populated areas. Since late March, the military has fired more than 200 Hellfire missiles in the capital, compared with just six missiles fired in the previous three months.

The military says the tactic has saved the lives of ground troops and prevented attacks, but the strikes have also killed and wounded civilians, provoking criticism from Iraqis.

On Wednesday, eight people, including two children, were killed when a U.S. helicopter opened fire on a group of Iraqis traveling to a U.S. detention center to greet a man who was being released from custody, Iraqi officials said.

The U.S. military said in a statement that it had targeted men linked to a suicide bombing network. "Unfortunately, two children were killed when the other occupants of the vehicle, in which they were riding, exhibited hostile intent," the statement said.

U.S. officials say they go to great lengths to avoid harming civilians in airstrikes.

"It's not Hollywood and it's not 110 percent perfect," said Col. Timothy J. Edens, the commander of the 12th Combat Aviation Brigade, of the accuracy of his unit's strikes. "It is as precise as very hardworking soldiers and commanders can make it. These criminals do not operate in a clean battle space. It is occupied by civilians, law-abiding Iraqis."

Those civilians include people like Zahara Fadhil, a 10-year-old girl with a tiny frame and long brown hair. Relatives said she was wounded by a missile on April 20 at approximately 8 p.m. in Baghdad's Shiite enclave of Sadr City. The U.S. military said it fired a Hellfire missile in Zahara's neighborhood at that time, targeting men who were seen loading rockets into a sedan.

Her face drained of color and her legs scarred by shrapnel, Zahara spoke haltingly when asked what she thought of U.S. troops.

"They kill people," she said. Lying in bed, she gasped for air before continuing. "They should leave Iraq now."

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playboydojo
05-23-2008, 03:56 PM
The logic is so contortionist. We have to risk civilian lives to save troops...but we have to keep troops in Iraq to save civilian lives?

LadyMod at scam.com
05-23-2008, 04:22 PM
The logic is so contortionist. We have to risk civilian lives to save troops...but we have to keep troops in Iraq to save civilian lives?


Kind of an Oxymoron isn't it?


Lady Mod

Smurf-Herder
05-24-2008, 01:37 AM
Sadr City was in the hands of the militia. They included suicide bombers.

Now this is a fucking war. People in those neighborhoods lived in fear of the militias; and we had to eliminate enemy bombers and the guys firing dozens of rockets into the Green Zone last month - from those same neighborhoods.

Now things have stabilized. So don't take the "combat reports" out of context; to twist it into anti-US propaganda. We had a major operation over the past couple months.

10,000 Iraqi troops bring calm to Sadr City

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00342/Iraqi385_342935a.jpg

"Crouching in the shade under the back of a tank, four Iraqi soldiers stir sugar into small glasses of tea as they take a break from guard duty near a row of battered shops in the heart of Sadr City.

Passers-by throw wary glances at the troops as they come to terms with the new order in Baghdad's Shia slum, a stronghold of al-Mahdi Army militia until only three days ago when thousands of Iraqi forces took control.

The unprecedented attempt to stamp government authority on one of the last remaining no-go areas in Iraq followed seven weeks of fighting between US and Iraqi forces and militiamen that left more than 1,250 people dead and 2,500 wounded. Of the injured, about 600 people have lost at least one limb.

The Army moved in under a ceasefire deal struck ten days earlier between the main Shia political bloc in the Government and supporters of Hojatoleslam Moqtada al-Sadr, the charismatic Shia cleric who commands the al-Mahdi Army.

The offensive, involving 10,000 Iraqi troops, came after their successful campaign to restore Basra, Iraq's second city, to government control. No US forces are involved. They instead keep watch from the southern third of Sadr City."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3987824.ece


BTW ...... I remember everybody was bitching just a few months ago, saying the Iraqi's weren't standing up. No matter what anybody does, the chronic complainers will bitch.

Smurf-Herder
05-24-2008, 01:48 AM
The "Surge" in this thread, is actually the Surge to control the streets of Sadr City. And right now that's 10,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi Army troops; under the direct control of the Iraqi government.

So this story is basically just trying to cover up a success in Iraq.

Moby
05-24-2008, 01:15 PM
Now things have stabilized. So don't take the "combat reports" out of context; to twist it into anti-US propaganda. We had a major operation over the past couple months.
I posted a NEWS article from a NEWS source and not a commentary piece from a blog. My comments were very simple and it is difficult to know what's good news and bad news. Remember the first few weeks of news that we got coming out of there?

I'm not posting anything anti-US and I'm not posting propaganda. It's news and there's a big difference.

playboydojo
05-24-2008, 04:00 PM
Sadr City was in the hands of the militia. They included suicide bombers

Now this is a fucking war. People in those neighborhoods lived in fear of the militias; and we had to eliminate enemy bombers and the guys firing dozens of rockets into the Green Zone last month - from those same neighborhoods.

Sadr City is in Iraq, not America. Iraqis from 2003 to today have wanted American troops out of Iraq. One might wonder, if Iraqis prefer the devil they know, what business is it of ours?

Now things have stabilized. So don't take the "combat reports" out of context; to twist it into anti-US propaganda. We had a major operation over the past couple months.

Don't take the (reasonable) question of the legitimacy of self-defeating actions taken and twist it into become "anti-US propaganda." The Sadrist are a huge political movement involved in class conflict with their own government. What business is it of ours? This is like the Soviets invading Afghanistan because the regime they established asked them to.

BTW ...... I remember everybody was bitching just a few months ago, saying the Iraqi's weren't standing up. No matter what anybody does, the chronic complainers will bitch.

I don't recall myself saying anything about it. I recall plenty of politicians saying it, but I also recall thinking it rather condescending and paternalist, as if they were infantilizing the Iraqis into doing what WE want them to do instead of seriously leaving them to their own devices. Whatever the Iraqi Gaurd does...what business is it of ours?

Smurf-Herder
05-25-2008, 01:25 PM
You guys go round and round with this.

Yet, you're ignoring the simple fact that the increase in missile attacks in Sadr City was a direct result of the offensive to retake Sadr City from the control of the Madhi Army, which had fired nearly 100 rockets into the Green Zone, killing US troops and Iraqis.