disrupter
05-17-2008, 08:09 AM
Meaning? Higher Dimensionality?
Just some passing ideas.
Warning Rambling on of Ideas.
If you take something of lower dimension & cage it in that lower dimension & then force more than empirically can be held/contained there it seems likely to force it, under pressure, into higher dimensionality.
say you live on a 2 dimensional plane [like a piece of paper]. you create a 'C' shape with a lid closable to 'O' (all on or in the plane). You know that the 'O' shape can only hold N number of dots. [presumably the dots are virtually indestructible nor do they shrink/contract under pressure.]
Then you begin to force more than N dots into the 'C/O' shape. it seems likely it will force the extra dots into some manner of extradimensionality. Possibly warping the pre-existing 2D plane or forcing some dots to escape the plane or perhaps turning some of the dots angular to the plane.
Meaning has a translational quality about it. ie. vertical realities are interpreted on some horizontal library/evaluation-scale. The way it is stored is probably a condensing method.
I was thinking if you take a little glass jar & force a straight but bendable wire into it that is much longer than the dimensions of the wire it is naturally going to bend into additional dimensionality.
I sort of prefer the 2D planar example because the caging is not extra dimensional whereas the jar is to the wire.
I was thinking perhaps if you put enough pressure & focus on something, say an event, it begins to acquire odd characteristics. Sort of like quantum uncertainty, but where a duality of existence might be created & contained. ie. a point in the sequence of time where there is both an A path and a B path in the sequence.
Now whether that duality/uncertainty is contained/sustained or if the nature of the system ultimately forces either one sequence or other i guess is situation & system dependent.
But even if it existed for some short duration, it may allow for some interesting conjectures & perhaps even viewpoints that give an extra dimensional perspective on things.
I suppose it might even act as a gateway to an alternate sequence of instants. ie. a branched time-line. Although it might just be a point of strangeness in the midst of an otherwise unremarkable sequence of time instants.
Mathematically instead of a one to one correspondence of points of a straight line parallel to the x axis it begins or a 45 degree line [slope = 1] when the line goes steeper up the y axis that there may be exclusively 'y' differentiated points without a unique x correspondence. At vertical this is indisputably the case for a line.
As you take a line in the z (3rd dimension) & perpendicular to the x,y plane, it can have a vast range of values that all correspond to a single x,y coordinate pair. It creates an 'otherness' characteristic, which reminds me of the notion of 'meaning'. Tables do not exist in reality, only constructs of forever oscillating atoms that correspond to our notion of a 'table'. Interestingly as we come across other examples our notion of a table may be adapted to grow, expand or be reduced or branch off into two or more refined concepts, say, table & desk.
Sort of like from the 3rd dimension in a rarefied [easier to navigate] medium it likely is easier to derive the number of points of a polygon, than it is to circumnavigate the polygon to determine its vertex/side count.
Perhaps it might include some kind of concept like 'focal geometry' [polar geometry?][translational polar geometry?]. Where the entire map of something can be scaled down, approaching a single point.
The mind is very likely some kind of focused existence. Certainly the mechanics of the eyeball are.
Does the mind tend to warp reality, the universe around itself simply by its nature?
Just some passing ideas.
Warning Rambling on of Ideas.
If you take something of lower dimension & cage it in that lower dimension & then force more than empirically can be held/contained there it seems likely to force it, under pressure, into higher dimensionality.
say you live on a 2 dimensional plane [like a piece of paper]. you create a 'C' shape with a lid closable to 'O' (all on or in the plane). You know that the 'O' shape can only hold N number of dots. [presumably the dots are virtually indestructible nor do they shrink/contract under pressure.]
Then you begin to force more than N dots into the 'C/O' shape. it seems likely it will force the extra dots into some manner of extradimensionality. Possibly warping the pre-existing 2D plane or forcing some dots to escape the plane or perhaps turning some of the dots angular to the plane.
Meaning has a translational quality about it. ie. vertical realities are interpreted on some horizontal library/evaluation-scale. The way it is stored is probably a condensing method.
I was thinking if you take a little glass jar & force a straight but bendable wire into it that is much longer than the dimensions of the wire it is naturally going to bend into additional dimensionality.
I sort of prefer the 2D planar example because the caging is not extra dimensional whereas the jar is to the wire.
I was thinking perhaps if you put enough pressure & focus on something, say an event, it begins to acquire odd characteristics. Sort of like quantum uncertainty, but where a duality of existence might be created & contained. ie. a point in the sequence of time where there is both an A path and a B path in the sequence.
Now whether that duality/uncertainty is contained/sustained or if the nature of the system ultimately forces either one sequence or other i guess is situation & system dependent.
But even if it existed for some short duration, it may allow for some interesting conjectures & perhaps even viewpoints that give an extra dimensional perspective on things.
I suppose it might even act as a gateway to an alternate sequence of instants. ie. a branched time-line. Although it might just be a point of strangeness in the midst of an otherwise unremarkable sequence of time instants.
Mathematically instead of a one to one correspondence of points of a straight line parallel to the x axis it begins or a 45 degree line [slope = 1] when the line goes steeper up the y axis that there may be exclusively 'y' differentiated points without a unique x correspondence. At vertical this is indisputably the case for a line.
As you take a line in the z (3rd dimension) & perpendicular to the x,y plane, it can have a vast range of values that all correspond to a single x,y coordinate pair. It creates an 'otherness' characteristic, which reminds me of the notion of 'meaning'. Tables do not exist in reality, only constructs of forever oscillating atoms that correspond to our notion of a 'table'. Interestingly as we come across other examples our notion of a table may be adapted to grow, expand or be reduced or branch off into two or more refined concepts, say, table & desk.
Sort of like from the 3rd dimension in a rarefied [easier to navigate] medium it likely is easier to derive the number of points of a polygon, than it is to circumnavigate the polygon to determine its vertex/side count.
Perhaps it might include some kind of concept like 'focal geometry' [polar geometry?][translational polar geometry?]. Where the entire map of something can be scaled down, approaching a single point.
The mind is very likely some kind of focused existence. Certainly the mechanics of the eyeball are.
Does the mind tend to warp reality, the universe around itself simply by its nature?