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disrupter
05-16-2008, 10:25 PM
Democrats accuse McCain of hypocrisy on Hamas

Fri May 16, 11:51 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Democrats accused Sen.
John McCain
Friday of
hypocrisy
on the question of whether the United States should negotiate with terrorists and dictators, saying the certain Republican nominee had previously been willing to negotiate with the militant Palestinian group Hamas.

In an op-ed published Friday in The Washington Post, former Clinton State Department official James Rubin said that McCain, responding to a question in a television interview two years ago about whether U.S. diplomats should be working with the Hamas government in Gaza, said:

[McCain on Gaza's Hamas Government]:
"They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy toward Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so ... But it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that."

Rubin, who interviewed McCain for the British network Sky News, said McCain is "guilty of hypocrisy" and accused him of "smearing" Democratic presidential front-runner Barack Obama. On Thursday, McCain suggested that Obama was naive and inexperienced for expressing a willingness to meet with rogue leaders like Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

In Charleston, W.Va., McCain said in response: "I made it very clear, at that time, before and after, that we will not negotiate with terrorist organizations, that Hamas would have to abandon their terrorism, their advocacy to the extermination of the state of Israel, and be willing to negotiate in a way that recognizes the right of the state of Israel and abandons their terrorist position and advocacy."

McCain contended that Obama wants to "sit down and negotiate with a government exporting most lethal devices used against soldiers. He wants to sit down face to face with a government that is very clear about developing nuclear weapons. ... They are sponsors of terrorist organizations. That's a huge difference in my opinion. And I'll let the American people decide whether that's a significant difference or not. I believe it is."

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joe Biden, D-Del., also accused McCain and President Bush of hypocrisy, saying Bush was talking about Obama when he slammed those who would negotiate with rogue leaders and terrorists as appeasers in a speech to the Israeli Knesset on Thursday.

The Bush administration has negotiated with rogue leaders in North Korea and Libya, Biden said in an interview with CNN Friday.

"This is pure hypocrisy, but the worst part about it is, think how it falls on the ears in capitals of Europe and the rest of the world and Toyko when the president of the United States says under no condition will we talk to anybody like that, and John McCain, the nominee for the Republican Party, who may very well be president of the United States, is saying the same thing," Biden said.

On Thursday, McCain told reporters he took the White House at its word when it said that Bush hadn't been referring to Obama in his speech.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080516/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_hamas_5

Diplomacy is not Appeasement.
McCain in a sane mood recognizes this, until Bush spurs him on to rabid rhetoric.

Obama maintains his level of sanity much better than Bush, McCain, or Hillary.

Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde,
You just don't know which of McCain's heads will pop out.

radioguy
05-16-2008, 10:48 PM
This should come as no surprise to anyone... But this is nothing more than another LIBERAL LIE

Jamie Rubin lied to the Washington post, by omitting the entire interview.

As a matter of fact, Lou Dobbs asked Rubin for the entire transcript, but Rubin said he only had that excerpt that was in the Post

Luckily for everyone here, I have the video of that interview, that shows what a piece of shit liberal liar Mr. Rubin is...

Here's the transcript, followed by a link to the video:

Jamie Rubin: “Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have been in the past, in working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is in now charge?”

Sen. John McCain: “They’re the government and sooner or later we‘re going to have to deal with them in one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas is because of their dedication to violence and the things they not only espouse but practice, so, but it’s a new reality in the Middle East. And I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and a decent future then they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that.”

Here’s what Rubin left out:

Rubin: “So should the United States be dealing with that new reality through normal diplomatic contacts to get the job done for the United States?”

Sen. McCain: “I think the United States should take a step back, see what they do when they form their government, see what their policies are, and see the ways that we can engage with them, and if there aren’t any, there may be a hiatus. But I think part of the relationship is going to be dictated by how Hamas acts, not how the United States acts.”

Here's the video proof of this bullshit:

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A-o2U4Y7DQ)

Moby
05-16-2008, 10:56 PM
This should come as no surprise to anyone... But this is nothing more than another LIBERAL LIE
What do yo expect. He's probably living with one of your invisible Communists. Of course you're not lying about them. Just because you can't see them doesn't meant hey don't exist.

Right?

disrupter
05-16-2008, 10:57 PM
He isn't closed to the idea of talking.

His lie is equating talking with appeasement.

You are the liars.

radioguy
05-16-2008, 10:59 PM
What do yo expect. He's probably living with one of your invisible Communists. Of course you're not lying about them. Just because you can't see them doesn't meant hey don't exist.

Right?

Ahhh... Now that's the Moby I know... Insults rather than addressing the issue.

Good job!

Moby
05-16-2008, 11:12 PM
Ahhh... Now that's the Moby I know... Insults rather than addressing the issue.

Good job!
Why read another story of a politician telling a lie? You know my thoughts on this issue. They all lie and anyone that bitches so much about it doesn't get it. The only flip flopping I enjoyed pointing out was liberal Romney's flopping but that wasn't to bitch about him. That was to make fun of people that thought he suddenly fell on his head and woke up a conservative the night before.

There's going to be misquotes on a daily basis by ALL candidates. I don't give a shit and neither should you. It's normal part of daily life inside the beltway. It's just a matter of how many people want to print it.

However, I also want to make things clear about the source of information. You have no right to cal someone insane, complain about conspiracies or lack of truth and evidence.

You just had your own stint of insanity with your invisible Communist conspiracy theory. You need to stop attacking everyone, find some facts that you can support and state your case.

Why get so emotional?

radioguy
05-16-2008, 11:15 PM
Why read another story of a politician telling a lie?

I agree... Except in this case, it is liberal ass-wipe Jamie Rubin that's lying here, not McCain.

disrupter
05-16-2008, 11:22 PM
He gets emotional because he is irrational, SirMoby,
He is addicted to rabid, mindless aggression & any excuse will do.

I get animated because i logically care about the nation where i reside.

I will admit to emotional attachments based on good memories growing up here.

I don't need to wear a flag pin on my lapel,
America is in my heart from my upbringing here,
and logically in my head because i live here.

Often the people wearing lapel pins are more interested in deceiving people about non-existent patriotism.
They go through the motions, but live living America is not inside their hearts nor logically on their minds.

Moby
05-17-2008, 10:50 AM
I agree... Except in this case, it is liberal ass-wipe Jamie Rubin that's lying here, not McCain.
Is he an ass-wipe because he's lying? Would that make you a Neoconservative ass-wipe?

radioguy
05-17-2008, 12:49 PM
Is he an ass-wipe because he's lying? Would that make you a Neoconservative ass-wipe?

Gee, there's a surprise. One of our faithful moderators slings an insult, rather then facing up to the facts. Attack rather than dialog.

Great job there Moby!