Who is more loony tunes? Hillary or McCain?

[disrupter]

Psycho-woman Hillary has promised to flatten Iran to radioactive glass,
including all the innocent civilians if their government strikes Israel with some hypothetical nuclear weapon.

McCain who at least claims he believes global warming is a fact, wants to suspend the gas tax for the summer by bloating the deficit more, robbing your children of their futures.
Not withstanding the fact it is the only thing that actually begins to connect American brains with the cause & effect reality we live in.

Hillary joins McCain in keeping the American people disconnected from their actual place in the chain of cause & effects of their choices & actions.

He acts like an enraged ego-wounded animal all the time lashing out at everyone with no coherent plan of attack, flip flopping on every issue all the time. Like he is in torturous pain all the time, even though he has flip-flopped on torture too.

Hillary looks like she is on uppers & a lot of other drugs.
She can talk a mean, detailed line on anything,
But her overall effect is completely incoherent, or at least in regards to benefiting American people. Working for Defense contractors it might be seen as consistent.
She voted for invading Iraq, but instead of learning from that, she voted with the NeoCrap Invade Iran agenda, claiming their military is terrorist.
(Their military & subterfuge is terrorist, but our military & subterfuge is not? :rolleyes:)

Anyway,
which of the two do you think is wackier & why?

[Smurf-Herder]

Obama.

He actually expects us to believe he can have direct talks with all the dictators of the world; and make agreements with them he can trust - when he couldn't even see where his own pastor's head was at after 20 years.

Either he's extremely stupid. Or he's just a deceitful panderer, just like nearly anybody else. A vote for Obama is a vote for more of the same - with a pretty multi-racial ribbon on it.

[Moby]

What in Obama's career has he done to make you think that he's deceitful?

No politician is honest and you wouldn't want your children hanging out with their children. What exactly in his resume makes you say these things? I find these comments strange about someone that voted for other resumes of others.

[Smurf-Herder]

What in Obama's career has he done to make you think that he's deceitful?

No politician is honest and you wouldn't want your children hanging out with their children. What exactly in his resume makes you say these things? I find these comments strange about someone that voted for other resumes of others.

What resume?

I'm still waiting to hear something more than "change". How about things he "has changed". All we know about Obama is not positive; other than what he promises. And of course, the observation of his judgemental capabilities, in the Rev. Wright thing. We've seen how he handles some things. But that's all we know about him. That's all his campaign is putting out. He's just a black guy newcomer, promising change; with an extremely controversial pastor, a connection with 60s bomb-making radicals and a high profile white-collar criminal ........ other than the supporters in Texas who have a thing for Marxist Revolutionary Chi Guevara.

At least Beanie and Cecil have street cred in DC.

[Betty Blowtorch]

Psycho-woman Hillary has promised to flatten Iran
to radioactive glass, including all the innocent civilians
if their government strikes Israel with some hypothetical
nuclear weapon.

Don't confuse campaign rhetoric with actual policy.
Because Hillary is a woman, she can't allow herself
to be perceived as weak on national defense, so
she has no choice but to talk tough.

When she responded that she would obliterate Iran
if it attacked Israel, it was the correct answer from a
political standpoint. If she had given a wishy-washy
nuanced response (a la John Kerry) that she would
merely use diplomacy, sanctions and UN resolutions
against Iran, she would have gotten ripped apart by
the Republican slime machine for being too soft on
terrorism.

If you look at the actual track record that Bill Clinton
established in his 8 years in office, there is nothing
to suggest that the Clintons are insane Nazis who
would attack Iran with nukes.

The neocons, on the other hand, have proven beyond
a shadow of a doubt that they are genocidal assholes
who have shredded the Constitution, legalized torture,
lied us into a war with no end, damaged the economy
and added 3 trillion dollars to the national debt in just
7 years.

The Democrats need to keep their eyes on the prize:
removing the repugs from the White House before
they can do any more damage.

In November, I'll be voting for the Democratic nominee,
regardless of whether it's Hillary or Obama. Either of
them would be better than McCain.

[Moby]

What resume?

I'm still waiting to hear something more than "change". How about things he "has changed". All we know about Obama is not positive; other than what he promises. And of course, the observation of his judgemental capabilities, in the Rev. Wright thing. We've seen how he handles some things. But that's all we know about him. That's all his campaign is putting out. He's just a black guy newcomer, promising change; with an extremely controversial pastor, a connection with 60s bomb-making radicals and a high profile white-collar criminal ........ other than the supporters in Texas who have a thing for Marxist Revolutionary Chi Guevara.

At least Beanie and Cecil have street cred in DC.
I'm not talking about what Glen Beck tells you. You know that's a very slanted and very small portion of factual information, if there's facts involved at all. I'm talking about you researching the candidate for yourself.

Almost all of his time since 1983 has been in the public eye. There's not much hiding. He hasn't excepted huge amounts of money for failing businesses from the Middle East. He doesn't have any brothers that have been brought up on charges. He hasn't been involved in profiting from failing businesses.

He has 20+ years in the public eye. You know that you won't hear about that listening to talk radio or watching the tube.

Why not research for yourself?

His resume is readily available but you will never hear about listening to the Neoconservative media.

[disrupter]

'And words are all i have to take your heart away.'

I have nothing but her insane words to go on Betty.

Hillary is a wacko both in her rhetoric as well as her votes.
It took her FOREVER to even begin to admit her vote for war in Iraq was wrong.
Then she went along with the NeoCon attack Iran initiative calling part of the Iranian military 'terrorists'.

She broke the campaign finance law during her Senate run in NewYork.
She should be in prison, but has twisted political power to hide her out & out criminality.

She is a skanky, lying, Defense contractor embedded political whore.

Now she wants to change the rules of the Democratic primary in a last desperate attempt to steal it from Obama.

$orry,
Ka Ching,
No $ale.

If it were between her & McCain i would vote Nader.

[Smurf-Herder]

I'm not talking about what Glen Beck tells you. You know that's a very slanted and very small portion of factual information, if there's facts involved at all. I'm talking about you researching the candidate for yourself.

Almost all of his time since 1983 has been in the public eye. There's not much hiding. He hasn't excepted huge amounts of money for failing businesses from the Middle East. He doesn't have any brothers that have been brought up on charges. He hasn't been involved in profiting from failing businesses.

He has 20+ years in the public eye. You know that you won't hear about that listening to talk radio or watching the tube.

Why not research for yourself?

His resume is readily available but you will never hear about listening to the Neoconservative media.


Why isn't his campaign using that?

And if the research pulls up negatives?

[stefan segal]

Blowtorch...I believe you are measuring her contrived effects designed for her very public consumption.

In reality, she is most likely certifyably insane. She is driven by the acquiscion of power. Both she and bill (and most likely her daughter) operate by a very different set of standards as do most people of our society.

The clinton standard is based upon "the ends justify the means", by which any and all of their behaviors are blessed and sanctified upon mission accomplished.

They have none of the usual humanities operating internally, as any of these woulld inhibit their machinations.

If you take the broad overview of what has been stated by the clintons in respect to Obama, you will note the clinton self proclaimed and obvious superior status...while Obama has become uppity by not graciously, hat in hand, drifting into Black history and stop making a nuisance of himself by beating them.

Her latest demonstration of prolonging her maniacal thrashing about at the expense of the democtratic party, because her ego cannot absorb the fact that she, despite all her lying and underhanded deeds, LOST.

This is not a person who considers others...not fair play, not those who finance her, and not the democrat party or the presidency (unless it is her that is president)

She is a this moment taking money from supporters to make herself as critical a problem to the party as is possible so that she can bargain a more important political position for herself. She is comfortable grinding up anyone to achieve her goal. If not president, then govenor or head chair of her senate. She will not go into the night peacefully.

She is a more exotic and dangerous threat than mcain, who uses normal, though juvenile, emotions.

Stefan

[Betty Blowtorch]

The Clinton standard is based upon "the ends justify the means",
by which any and all of their behaviors are blessed and sanctified
upon mission accomplished.
Yes -- politics in America is a tough, dirty business. The Clintons
know how the game is played, and they play it hard.

Bill Clinton is the ONLY Democrat in the past 65 years who won
two terms as President. He gave us eight years of relative peace
and prosperity. He reduced the deficit created by the Republicans,
he balanced the budget, he didn't get us bogged down in any wars,
and he maintained a 70% approval rating even when he was being
impeached for getting a blowjob.

None of those accomplishments would have been possible if he
hadn't done what it took to get elected.



In reality, she is most likely certifyably insane. She is driven
by the acquiscion of power.
There is no question that Hillary is driven by ambition for power, but
no psychiatrist would seriously accuse her of being certifiably insane
simply because she continues to fight and search for a way to prevail
even when it looks impossible.

Even though the Clintons are losing to Obama, they have kept the
race tight. Hillary has kept her campaign alive while hoping that
Obama's campaign would implode like Howard Dean did in 2004.

Personally I have a lot more respect for a tough fighter who refuses
to give up instead of taking a dive like John Kerry.

The Clintons won two terms in the most powerful office in the world
because of their ambition and drive. Hillary's willingness to continue
her campaign is no more insane than Robert E. Lee's willingness to
keep fighting the Civil War even after it became a lost cause.



Her latest demonstration of prolonging her maniacal thrashing about
at the expense of the democtratic party, because her ego cannot
absorb the fact that she, despite all her lying and underhanded deeds,
LOST.
If the Clintons steal the nomination by brokering a back room deal
at the convention, this could rip apart the Democratic party and
lead to a loss in the November election.

On the other hand, I don't think the Clintons have done Obama or
the Democratic party a disservice by fighting primary battles in all
50 states instead of lying down and giving up early.

Just the opposite. The Clintons are performing a valuable service
by putting Obama to the test. He needs to be vetted. His flaws
and weak spots need to be exposed now, not in October.

Would you prefer the Reverend Wright scandal to have come out
a few weeks before the general election?

I want the Clintons to be as tough and ruthless with Obama as
they possibly can, because it will be a fraction of the avalanche
of merciless attacks that the repugs will use to destroy Obama.
He needs to be toughened up.

It seems like Obama is trying to run a clean campaign and act
like a gentlemen. That scares the crap out of me.

Al Gore and John Kerry behaved like gentlemen.
Eight years of George W. Bush was the result.



She is a more exotic and dangerous threat than mcain,
who uses normal, though juvenile, emotions.
I think you know better than that, Stefan. Obama won't just be
going up against McCain, he'll be going up against the incredibly
powerful, well-funded Republican Slime Machine. He'll be going
up against Rush, Bill O'Reilly, the Rupert Murdoch media empire,
the religious right, oil companies, pro-war neocons...

Get ready for a high tech lynching.

The repugs will throw everything they've got at Obama and try to
destroy him. We've yet to see if he's up to the challenge.

I hope he is. Or else President McCain will soon be singing
"Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."

[stefan segal]

Blowtorch, I was a rabid clinton fan throughout the eight years of their office. They also made some lame choices, specifically in the lack of worker protection from their headlong rush into global trade agreements...but I don't damn them for what I generously term: unexpected consequences.

I most admired his intelligence and what I took for "heart". hillary does have intelligence, but not the surplus of bill's ilk, wich would enable her to appear untwisted by her raging appetite for power. She also doesn't hide the fact that her ambitions take precidence over any show of inner character...heart, honesty, fair play, etc.

I believe her to be a fair weather flower and foul weather monster...not a personallity to occupy such a seat of power as our presidency.

I believe you short change Obama. I think you are measuring him with an old ruler. His power can be most starkly percieved by concidering his record breaking cotribution base. If the average doner is $90.00, and this is averaged out with some bundled donations, so the number is actually lower...then when factoring his 100+ millions, you get and idea of how grass roots his campaign really is.

Obama has more intelligence than bill clinton, and far superior in street smarts. His history in opting NOT for power and money in preference to helping the community in the toughest parts of the toughest city, goes a long way to illustrate what Obama's innards are about.

What people aren't "getting" about Obama is that he is playing chess while everyone else is judging his checker experience.

When I hear talking heads state that their (Obama and hillary) political positions are essentially identical, it astounds me that with all their attention to the candidates, they just don't get it. The comparison is like shit and ice cream...identical, because they both make your hands sticky.

I beleive I understand your postion with hillary, but I wonder that you haven't been struck by the new game Obama offers.

Stefan

[Moby]

Why isn't his campaign using that?
Politicians in general lie. The campaigns are like an act of American idol. If you let them they will plant seeds in your mind that will grow into big huge peaces of shit until you're nothing but nervous system with no ability to think on issues without first feeling an emotional response.

You are a voter and YOU have the responsibility to educate yourself on the candidates.

You really need to stop listening to Glen Beck and all news commentary.

All news commentators are biased and on the occasions that they use facts they twist them and don't offer an opposing side. You have to remember that anyone that would try something like the line below does not want you to think for yourself.

"There's no proof that he is a space alien, American hating, gay pedophile transsexual, sleep cell Muslim terrorist from Mars, but I'm starting to wonder and so should you."

You've heard lines very similar to the one above and you know it.

[disrupter]

Honestly the economic flourish under Clinton's reign was vastly more an effect of demographics than had much to do with Clinton.

AND Hillary ain't Bill in any event,
completely different wackos.