Government Subsidized Health Insurance

[Moby]

Does anyone here have health insurance that isn't subsidized by US tax payers?

1. If it's provided by your employer the your employer gets a tax break. All ta payers have to pick up the slack so it's subsidized.
2. If you're self employed, you get the tax break so it's subsidized.
3. If you're part of any group that gets a group rate then as I understand it you probably get a tax break.
4. I'm not sure but I know Bush was talking about making all payments for health insurance tax deductible.
5. Medicare/Medicaid is obviously subsidized. Most people need that when they retire.

Are there any circumstances that people can have health insurance that isn't subsidized in one way or another.

[disrupter]

The entire current American economy is based on Economic pedophilia of all American's children, to support the drunken, wild partying of the top one percent of ex-patriot Americans.
And used to create a swath of anti-American hatred & ridicule around the globe.

A foolish America & its money are quickly parted.

Americans, led around by the corpse-orate news media is actively, perversely STUPID.

Americans are an insult to intellect everywhere.

America is coherent the way a turd is coherent,
Sure it hangs together, but it isn't worth ANYTHING.

America's big prize, we will all hang together.
We had a lot of rope & help from corporate media, maybe we deserve it.

[kres24GT]

Does anyone here have health insurance that isn't subsidized by US tax payers?

1. If it's provided by your employer the your employer gets a tax break. All ta payers have to pick up the slack so it's subsidized.
2. If you're self employed, you get the tax break so it's subsidized.
3. If you're part of any group that gets a group rate then as I understand it you probably get a tax break.
4. I'm not sure but I know Bush was talking about making all payments for health insurance tax deductible.
5. Medicare/Medicaid is obviously subsidized. Most people need that when they retire.

Are there any circumstances that people can have health insurance that isn't subsidized in one way or another.

I've never considered allowing people to keep their money to be subsidies. That's great job of government brainwashing to convince so many that money belongs to the government.
Your point is taken though, the tax code desperately needs to be simplified and government taken out of health care at all cost.

Look around you, government keeps fucking up, every thing they touches fails. Scary we would turn over responibility of our health care to them, not to mention the power that gives them.

The power of the federal government is already frightening, imagine once they have the ability to control our health care... scary to think about it.

Of course Americans are all too happy to turn over this responibility over to government, consequences be damned.

[Moby]

How are tax breaks different then subsidies?

We have an income tax. You may not like or agree with it but it exists. If one person doesn't have to pay tax on certain income then the difference needs to be made up some where else. Either higher taxes get paid now or we borrow money and pay much higher taxes in the long run.

Tax breaks are just a shell game. It doesn't change the actual amount of money.

[kres24GT]

How are tax breaks different then subsidies?

We have an income tax. You may not like or agree with it but it exists. If one person doesn't have to pay tax on certain income then the difference needs to be made up some where else. Either higher taxes get paid now or we borrow money and pay much higher taxes in the long run.

Tax breaks are just a shell game. It doesn't change the actual amount of money.

I refuse to look at it hat way I suppose. Convincing yourself that is the government's money, and not money you earned is giving them too much power.


Yes, spending needs to be drastically cut. Including medicaid/medicare which you mentioned here. Government has to get out of areas like healthcare.

Simplifying the tax code is the best way to get rid of things like this. There should be one rate everyone pays, no breaks, no sliding scales, no cuts, etc.

[Moby]

I refuse to look at it hat way I suppose.
You should open your mind instead of always refusing to look at things from another point of view. Besides, I've never said that money I earn belongs to the government. That's your way of looking at it.

I know that roads, electric grids, military and various other things require money. Either that money is collected in taxes or it's borrowed and we pay interest on it until later.

There is a certain amount of money that's needed. There's no way around that.

[kres24GT]

You should open your mind instead of always refusing to look at things from another point of view. Besides, I've never said that money I earn belongs to the government. That's your way of looking at it.

I know that roads, electric grids, military and various other things require money. Either that money is collected in taxes or it's borrowed and we pay interest on it until later.

There is a certain amount of money that's needed. There's no way around that.



You are right, there is a certain amount needed, its far below what we are currently giving.

[Moby]

I always wonder why the hater dogs that try to use the socialist card never respond to threads like this? It seems to me that at some level we are a single payer health care system.

[disrupter]

We are a single OUTRAGEOUSLY OVERPRICED payer sickness care system.

The INSURANCE industry is the SINGLE MOST SUCCESSFUL LOBBY IN DC.

you are paying for Health CEOs taking 1.6 BILLION dollars home in their paycheck.

[kres24GT]

I always wonder why the hater dogs that try to use the socialist card never respond to threads like this? It seems to me that at some level we are a single payer health care system.


the hater dogs?


As I said, this way is certainly not preferable. A flat tax would simplify are ridiculous tax code and eliminate any of these type of things.

Allowing doctors to refuse service to those who can't pay will eliminate subsidization by other customers. Forcing people to provides services when they are not government employees is nothing short of disgusting.

The key here is to get government out of health care at all costs. They have already caused a lot of damage and giving them even more power over our health care would be probably the stupidest thing the American people have ever done, and that is saying a lot.

Government fucks up pretty much everything they touch. Social security, a complete failure. Welfare, one of the most damaging and harmful programs in our nation's history. Education, the laughing stock of the entire world.

When you make government responsible for everyone becuase some don't want to be responsible for themselves you force everyone to have the same shitty service as everyone else, or at least force all but the super rich.

You have posted many links here to stories about how inefficient, government, and all around disaster government is. Giving them power of our health care, and the ability to hold it over our heads..... frightening if you can take off the big government blinders and think about it logically.

[Moby]

Government fucks up pretty much everything they touch. Social security, a complete failure. Welfare, one of the most damaging and harmful programs in our nation's history. Education, the laughing stock of the entire world.
Aren't all these run by other governments in other countries that are doing better in many ways then ours?

[kres24GT]

Aren't all these run by other governments in other countries that are doing better in many ways then ours?

Other countries big government works, not here. We are too diverse for big government to force us all to do and behave the same way. Also other governments aren't as corrupt as ours becuase they have multiple parties that keep the power in check.

As I said, no one can objectively look at the track record of our government and say "Wow, this is who I want in charge of my health care."

It takes amazing politcal blinding to be able to convince yourself otherwise.

[disrupter]

It is the
crooked Insurance companies,
crooked drug companies,
crooked hospitals that have screwed this one up Kres.

Medicare & Medicaid are run for a micro-fraction of what these cheating insurance companies cost.

there are problems with underpaying doctors with Medicare & Medicaid, but sanity demands the government takes over healthcare for Americans.

It is all the cries for privatization that has the treasury being GROSSLY LOOTED both over in Iraq & everywhere else.

The PRIVATE SECTOR has become synonymous with the CRIMINAL SECTOR.

And the GOP is embedded with private criminal interests,

GOP
Gangsters Oldtime Party

This is the propaganda of the criminal elite,
and Kres has swallowed it hook line & sinker.

I think there should be a tiny whisper of privatization so government knows there is an alternative,
but generally speaking, committed civil servants who are respected & rewarded for doing good work are vastly more economical & efficient than the greedy cheating private sector.

[kres24GT]

It is the
crooked Insurance companies,
crooked drug companies,
crooked hospitals that have screwed this one up Kres.

Medicare & Medicaid are run for a micro-fraction of what these cheating insurance companies cost.

there are problems with underpaying doctors with Medicare & Medicaid, but sanity demands the government takes over healthcare for Americans.

It is all the cries for privatization that has the treasury being GROSSLY LOOTED both over in Iraq & everywhere else.

The PRIVATE SECTOR has become synonymous with the CRIMINAL SECTOR.

And the GOP is embedded with private criminal interests,

GOP
Gangsters Oldtime Party

This is the propaganda of the criminal elite,
and Kres has swallowed it hook line & sinker.

I think there should be a tiny whisper of privatization so government knows there is an alternative,
but generally speaking, committed civil servants who are respected & rewarded for doing good work are vastly more economical & efficient than the greedy cheating private sector.


The GOP ( and Dems as well for those who are not blind sheep) love big business and regulate heavily to favor big business. I am for a free market, that is not what we have now.

[disrupter]

The only reason they favor big business is because they have bought the largely false advertising & not scrutinized the criminal, reckless working details of how these corporations operate.

Big corporations are the FIRST ones to rig the market so it is no longer a FREE MARKET.
They are mostly just a bunch of government parasites, feeding off the blood of taxpayers & their children & producing nothing, and then ducking taxes with Cayman Island tax dodges.

That is your fucking 'privatization' it is 'criminalization' by the Gangsters Oldtime Party, the GOP.

[kres24GT]

The only reason they favor big business is because they have bought the largely false advertising & not scrutinized the criminal, reckless working details of how these corporations operate.

Big corporations are the FIRST ones to rig the market so it is no longer a FREE MARKET.
They are mostly just a bunch of government parasites, feeding off the blood of taxpayers & their children & producing nothing, and then ducking taxes with Cayman Island tax dodges.

That is your fucking 'privatization' it is 'criminalization' by the Gangsters Oldtime Party, the GOP.

No shit, that is exactly what I just said.