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Moby
05-03-2008, 06:12 PM
Finally someone gets it. Why we think politicians or hateful Neoconservative news commentators even like Jesus Christ is beyond me.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/02/evangelicals.ap/index.html?rlt=42

(AP) -- Conservative Christian leaders who believe the word "evangelical" has lost its religious meaning plan to release a starkly self-critical document saying the movement has become too political and has diminished the Gospel through its approach to the culture wars.

The declaration encourages Christians to uphold traditional marriage, as in this Massachusetts protest.

The statement, called "An Evangelical Manifesto," condemns Christians on the right and left for using faith to express political views without regard to the truth of the Bible, according to a draft of the document obtained Friday by The Associated Press.

"That way faith loses its independence, Christians become 'useful idiots' for one political party or another, and the Christian faith becomes an ideology," according to the draft.

The declaration, scheduled to be released Wednesday in Washington, encourages Christians to be politically engaged and uphold teachings such as traditional marriage. But the drafters say evangelicals have often expressed "truth without love," helping create a backlash against religion during a "generation of culture warring."

"All too often we have attacked the evils and injustices of others," the statement says, "while we have condoned our own sins." It argues, "we must reform our own behavior."

The document is the latest chapter in the debate among conservative Christians about their role in public life. Most veteran leaders believe the focus should remain on abortion and marriage, while other evangelicals -- especially in the younger generation -- are pushing for a broader agenda. The manifesto sides with those seeking a wide-range of concerns beyond "single-issue politics."

Among the signers of the manifesto are Os Guiness, a well-known evangelical author and speaker, and Richard Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary, a leading evangelical school in Pasadena, California. Organizers declined to comment until the final document is released.

They say more than 80 evangelicals have signed the statement, although only a few names have been released. A. Larry Ross, spokesman for the authors, said the theologians and Christian leaders involved are seeking to "go back to the root theological meaning of the term evangelical."

Some champions of traditional culture war issues are not among the supporters.

Richard Land, head of the public policy arm for the Southern Baptist Convention, said through a spokeswoman that he has not seen the document and was not asked to sign it.

James Dobson, the influential founder of Focus on the Family, a Christian group in Colorado Springs, Colorado, did not sign the document, said Gary Schneeberger, a Dobson spokesman. Schneeberger would not say whether Dobson had read the manifesto or had been asked to sign on.

Phil Burress, an Ohio activist who networks with national evangelical leaders, said that if high-profile evangelical leaders such as Dobson and Land don't support the document, "it's like throwing a pebble in the ocean" and will carry no weight.

But the drafters hope they can start a movement among evangelicals to reflect and act on the document. "We must find a new understanding of our place in public life," the drafters wrote.

disrupter
05-04-2008, 01:30 PM
Where are the Evangelicals for rational, sound scientific reality?
Reality evangelism?
Science evangelism?

I do believe in reality. I do believe science offers the best, most sound approach working with reality.
Hallelujah! Hosanna!
Mine eyes have seen the light & it is a glorious thing,
beautiful & terrible in all its possibilities.

Maybe God, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, the great noodlely mass, or someone is going to show up & save us,
But intelligently we should hedge our bets by trying to manage things surviveably until they actually arrive, eh?

Silly me,
that would be a RATIONAL approach.

And humans are nothing if not recklessly, suicidally IRRATIONAL.

They would rather use religion as a DRUG of evasion than to face reality objectively, with savvy & inspired ideas.

starwolf
06-01-2008, 11:00 AM
yes...global warming...birdflu y2k...hole in ozone layer...big bang theory....all completely proven without doubt on sound science?

disrupter
06-02-2008, 11:23 PM
science may make errors, but it isn't just some complete fabrication mythology, with NO correlation to reality what-so-ever.

Religion, makes it 'feel' good when you turn off your brain & pretend there is some 'secret' plan behind all the chaos.

Religion as public policy is a recipe for disaster.
Religion is complete unaccountability PRETENDING to be accountable to some magic myth.

Irresponsibility PRETENDING to be responsible.

in short, the purest form of hypocrisy & insanity.

Independent Harry
06-03-2008, 12:12 AM
yes...global warming...birdflu y2k...hole in ozone layer...big bang theory....all completely proven without doubt on sound science?

There was a birdflu, there is a hole in the ozone layer (its gotten much better with the elimination of the ozone depleting chemicals, the computers were upgraded before Y2K could even happen, and big bang theory has a lot of weight behind it, but again, that's a theory, which means it's not considered the explanation only a strong possibility. As for global warming, that's the only one everyone seems to be divided about...

It seems you have a simple understanding of science then...

disrupter
06-04-2008, 06:16 PM
Global Warming already happened once,
247 million years ago.

it caused the greatest mass extinction EVER, . . . so far.
90% of species went extinct.

maybe we will top a 90% extinction rate with a 100% extinction rate.

can YOU breathe enough at 16% oxygen at sea level?
not likely.

the scientists are NOT divided on global warming,
only the deceived public is.

Ignorance is bliss,

Suicidal bliss

falling out of a 110 story building is not a problem,
the pavement is the problem.

Robert Ingersoll
06-11-2008, 12:11 AM
SUPERSTITION puts belief above goodness -- credulity above virtue.

Here are two men. One is industrious, frugal, honest, generous. He has a happy home -- loves his wife and children -- fills their lives with sunshine. He enjoys study, thoughts, music, and all the subtleties of Art -- but he does not believe the creed -- cares nothing for sacred books, worships no god and fears no devil.

The other is ignorant, coarse, brutal, beats his wife and children -- but he believes -- regards the Bible as inspired - bows to the priests, counts his beads, says his prayers, confesses and contributes, and the Catholic Church declares and the Protestant Churches declare that he is the better man.

The ignorant believer, coarse and brutal as he is, is going to heaven. He will be washed in the blood of the Lamb. He will have wings -- a harp and a halo.

The intelligent and generous man who loves his fellow-men -- who develops his brain, who enjoys the beautiful, is going to hell -- to the eternal prison.

Such is the justice of God -- the mercy of Christ.

disrupter
06-11-2008, 05:17 AM
I proclaim the Freedom to NOT be enslaved to other people's religious psychopathy.

Let a new, brighter, more reasoned day begin across America & the globe.