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LadyMod at scam.com
04-30-2008, 07:11 AM
Hurray!!!



Obama’s Break With Ex-Pastor Sets Sharp Shift in Tone (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?th&emc=th)

By JEFF ZELENY and ADAM NAGOURNEY

Published: April 30, 2008

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. — Senator Barack Obama broke forcefully on Tuesday with his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., in an effort to curtail a drama of race, values, patriotism and betrayal that has enveloped his presidential candidacy at a critical juncture.

At a news conference here, Mr. Obama denounced remarks Mr. Wright made in a series of televised appearances over the last several days. In the appearances, Mr. Wright has suggested that the United States was attacked because it engaged in terrorism on other people and that the government was capable of having used the AIDS virus to commit genocide against minorities. His remarks also cast Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam, in a positive light.

In tones sharply different from those Mr. Obama used on Monday, when he blamed the news media and his rivals for focusing on Mr. Wright, and far harsher than those he used in his speech on race in Philadelphia last month, Mr. Obama tried to cut all his ties to — and to discredit — Mr. Wright, the man who presided at Mr. Obama’s wedding and baptized his two daughters.

“His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church,” Mr. Obama said, his voice welling with anger. “They certainly don’t portray accurately my values and beliefs.”

One week before Democratic primaries in Indiana and North Carolina, contests that party officials are watching as they try to gauge whether Mr. Obama or Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton would be the stronger nominee, the controversy surrounding Mr. Wright again erupted into a threat to Mr. Obama’s ability to show that he could unify the Democratic Party and bring the nominating contest to a quick and clean end. With Mrs. Clinton having shown particular strength among working-class white voters in recent big-state primaries, the racial overtones of Mr. Obama’s links with Mr. Wright have been especially troublesome for the Obama campaign.

Asked how the controversy would affect voters, Mr. Obama said: “We’ll find out.”

At a minimum, the spectacle of Mr. Wright’s multiday media tour and Mr. Obama’s rolling response grabbed the attention of the most important constituency in politics now: the uncommitted superdelegates — party officials and elected Democrats — who hold the balance of power in the nominating battle.

Eileen Macoll, a Democratic county chairman from Washington State who has not chosen a candidate, said she was stunned at the extent of national attention the episode has drawn, and she said she believed it would give superdelegates pause.

“I’m a little surprised at how much traction it is getting, and I do believe it is beginning to reflect negatively on Senator Obama’s campaign,” Ms. Macoll said. “I think he’s handling it very well, but I think it’s almost impossible to make people feel comfortable about this.”

It was the second straight day that Mr. Obama had responded to Mr. Wright, a former pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago whose derisive comments about the United States government have become a fixture of cable television. Saying that he had not seen or read Mr. Wright’s remarks when he responded to them on Monday, Mr. Obama said he was “shocked and surprised” when he later read the transcripts and watched the broadcasts, and he felt compelled to respond more forcefully.

“I’m outraged by the comments that were made and saddened over the spectacle that we saw yesterday,” Mr. Obama said. He added: “I find these comments appalling. It contradicts everything that I’m about and who I am.”

The press conference came in what may well be the toughest stretch of Mr. Obama’s campaign as he grapples with questions about Mr. Wright as well as the fallout from his defeat last week in Pennsylvania. He set out this week to reintroduce himself but instead found himself competing for airtime with Mr. Wright and trying to bat away suggestions that he shared or tolerated Mr. Wright’s views.

As he answered question after question here, Mr. Obama appeared downcast and subdued as he tried to explain why he had decided to categorically denounce his minister of 20 years. His decision to address reporters not only stretched the Wright story into another day but also marked at least the third time he has sought to deal with the issue, including his well-received speech on race last month in Philadelphia.

“The fact that Reverend Wright would think that somehow it was appropriate to command the stage for three or four consecutive days in the midst of this major debate is something that not only makes me angry, but also saddens me,” Mr. Obama said.

Even amid the wall-to-wall news coverage about Mr. Wright, Mr. Obama won the support of two more superdelegates, including Representative Ben Chandler of Kentucky. Meanwhile, Representative Ike Skelton of Missouri and Gov. Michael F. Easley of North Carolina announced their support for Mrs. Clinton.


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radioguy
04-30-2008, 09:02 PM
Go Obama go...

I want him to beat Clinton, because based on what we now know about his pals in his personal live, he definintly represents the liberal left in America.

Racist... Hateful... Anti American

He´s the perfect fit. It will be a pleasure to watch him get his ass kicked in the general election.

LadyMod at scam.com
04-30-2008, 09:58 PM
The new ad.


http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/gasprices1


Bush tried suspending the gas tax in 2001. It didn't help anything. Now you have Clinton and McCain saying we need to do it again. Is stupidity contagious?

Apparently Yes, it is. Two of the candidates, the older more feeble ones, came down with a bad case of it.

radioguy
05-01-2008, 01:35 PM
The new ad.


http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/gasprices1


Bush tried suspending the gas tax in 2001. It didn't help anything. Now you have Clinton and McCain saying we need to do it again. Is stupidity contagious?

Apparently Yes, it is. Two of the candidates, the older more feeble ones, came down with a bad case of it.

I don´t think saving working class America money at the pump is stupid at all.

The US government makes much more money on a gallon of gas than the oil companies do, so why shouldn´t they cut back on their profits? They work for us don´t they? I find it very telling that the democrats will attack oil companies at every turn for making a profit, but fail to attack the source that makes the most money.

LadyMod at scam.com
05-01-2008, 02:38 PM
I don´t think saving working class America money at the pump is stupid at all.

The US government makes much more money on a gallon of gas than the oil companies do, so why shouldn´t they cut back on their profits? They work for us don´t they? I find it very telling that the democrats will attack oil companies at every turn for making a profit, but fail to attack the source that makes the most money.

They'll tax us more someplace else Grim.

It didn't work in 2001, same damned thing. What makes you think that doing it again will result in something different?

If you want working class America to get a break then let's close the loop holes provided by Bush to the upper class and corporations. Let's increase the capital gains tax and use that money to pay off the war.


Lady Mod

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radioguy
05-02-2008, 12:53 PM
They'll tax us more someplace else Grim.

It didn't work in 2001, same damned thing. What makes you think that doing it again will result in something different?

If you want working class America to get a break then let's close the loop holes provided by Bush to the upper class and corporations. Let's increase the capital gains tax and use that money to pay off the war.


Lady Mod

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If you incerase the capitol gains tax, who do you think will actually pay that?

We will... That´s who.

There´s an old saying... Shit rolls downhill. If you increase the taxes on businesses, they will only charge more for their products, which means we pay.

LadyMod at scam.com
05-02-2008, 01:32 PM
If you incerase the capitol gains tax, who do you think will actually pay that?

We will... That´s who.

There´s an old saying... Shit rolls downhill. If you increase the taxes on businesses, they will only charge more for their products, which means we pay.

And you don't think that shit has been rolling downhill since Bush gave the tax cuts to begin with?


Please tell me that you aren't that naive...



Lady Mod

radioguy
05-02-2008, 01:35 PM
And you don't think that shit has been rolling downhill since Bush gave the tax cuts to begin with?


Please tell me that you aren't that naive...



Lady Mod

What?

The tax cuts created jobs and didn´t cause layoffs. The tax cuts increased manufacturing in the country. The tax cuts kept inflation in check.

The crisis in the economy is rooted in the sub prime loans issue, not the tax cuts of 2003.

Moby
05-02-2008, 06:41 PM
What?

The tax cuts created jobs and didn´t cause layoffs. The tax cuts increased manufacturing in the country. The tax cuts kept inflation in check.

The crisis in the economy is rooted in the sub prime loans issue, not the tax cuts of 2003.
Repeating the Neoconservative lines word for word without any understanding of them.

You stated not long ago that the economic signals were mixed and posted an article that the economy was good. You did this at a time when it was obvious to the free thinking world that the economy was NOT good.

Tax cuts are only a short term fix. Reagan's tax cutes gave the economy a quick short term boost but the borrowing (the money that Neocons never discuss) causes economic strain. Too much borrowing has caused the dropping of the dollar which has caused a lot of pain on Americans. Allowing China to manipulate their currency, also a policy of Bush, has lead to investment there instead of here.

For how long do you think we can keep borrowing over $500 Billion a year?

If lowering taxes is such a good idea then why not just lower them to 1%?

During the Clinton years we saw, the facts are in, that cutting taxes on the lowest incomes can generate better economic growth then on the highest incomes.

The growth that we got form the Bush tax cuts is not enough to balance the borrowing and selling of bonds to China.

LadyMod at scam.com
05-02-2008, 06:47 PM
During the Clinton years we saw, the facts are in, that cutting taxes on the lowest incomes can generate better economic growth then on the highest incomes.

Are you saying that putting more money into people's pockets causes them to spend more on goods? Which is good for business which then creates more jobs? :disbelief:


Horrors, what kind of logic is that?!?


:winkwink:

Moby
05-02-2008, 06:50 PM
Are you saying that putting more money into people's pockets causes them to spend more on goods? Which is good for business which then creates more jobs? :disbelief:


Horrors, what kind of logic is that?!?


:winkwink:
Think about it. Corporations have to invest locally in order to get those extra dollars. They need to become more efficient if they want the money.

Never mind. Let's just give them more tax cuts so they can spend it all over seas instead of forcing them to compete for it. Fuck capitalism. Let's go for federalism.

BilldaCat
05-02-2008, 08:24 PM
"[QUOTE=radioguy]I don´t think saving working class America money at the pump is stupid at all. "


Messing with the gas tax does nothing for ANYONE. It is a complete waste of effort by our politically elected "leaders"

Does it lower gas usage to reduce gas prices? NO

Does it increase supply to lower the price? NO

Does it help anyone save any significant amount of money over any significant amount of time? NO. The amount of money saved would be eaten up by increased gas prices... it isn't enough money to make any difference.

It is a completely political ploy for votes. It's useless.


What might actually work?? Opening the strategic petroleum reserve. Open it long enough that there is a glut of oil and the people trading oil up to the stratosphere will be BURNED and they will quit bidding up the price of oil.

Oil is not at the price it is because of supply and demand. It is where it is because of speculation...

If they were to announce the opening of the strategic petroleum reserve, the price would crash to more realistic levels.


The levels we are at now are completely artificial and are similar to the price of silver going to more than 50 dollars when the hunt brothers tried to corner the silver market.. our govt burned them for it and the price of silver plummeted. We need the exact same sort of maneuver here to burn the traders. To those who trade oil, sorry.. but your gains are coming at the expense of millions of hard working people.

High oil in and of itself isn't such a bad thing as it would force us to move to other forms of energy.... however, a move this fast spells certain trouble for our economy. If I'm spending a hundred a week on oil, that is a hundred a week that is not going towards the purchase of anything that keeps people working.. say an American made car...

If you want to buy a Japanese car, well I hope your gas price triples... we have 5-6 trillion in debt related to buying foreign goods and Japanese cars are a big chunk of the problem. japan blocks our autos from selling in their country... China.. well you have to build cars in their country with 50% Chinese ownership or it can't sell there period...

Still .. we seem to have better trade in autos with Commuinist China than we have with Japan.. who is supposed to be our ally...

Want to help the oil price.. demand your government to open the strategic petroleum reserve. It'a the right thing to do.. filling it with prices this high is absolutely ridiculous.. bush is a friggin idiot. Well. .his buddies in the oil business have got to be incredibly happy with him, but he has served up the US working class as a sacrifice to the big business he was bought by...