HILLARY'S TRUE FEELINGS ABOUT BLUECOLLAR WORKERS

[stefan segal]

Like I've said, hillary is a snake...do anything, say...anything to win. What has pissed me off most particularly in this latest episode, is her willingness to destroy everything and everybody. She doesn't give a shit about the democratic party, and seems more than content that mccain should win if she doesn't. I hope this article gets widespread play throughout all media.

Stefan



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/16/hillary-clinton-on-workin_n_97017.html

Hillary Clinton On Southern Working Class Whites In 1995: "Screw 'Em"
April 16, 2008 02:21 PM


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During the past week, Sen. Hillary Clinton has presented herself as a working class populist, the politician in touch with small town sentiments, compared to the elitism of her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama.

But a telling anecdote from her husband's administration shows Hillary Clinton's attitudes about the "lunch-bucket Democrats" are not exactly pristine.

In January 1995, as the Clintons were licking their wounds from the 1994 congressional elections, a debate emerged at a retreat at Camp David. Should the administration make overtures to working class white southerners who had all but forsaken the Democratic Party? The then-first lady took a less than inclusive approach.

"Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."

The statement -- which author Benjamin Barber witnessed and wrote about in his book, "The Truth of Power: Intellectual Affairs in the Clinton White House" -- was prompted by another speaker raising the difficulties of reaching "Reagan Democrats." It stands in stark contrast to the attitude the New York Democrat has recently taken on the campaign trail, in which she has presented herself as the one candidate who understands the working-class needs.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Whoa, this part is really telling too.

Perhaps even more telling than Hillary Clinton's proclamation, however, were the words from her husband that followed. As reported by Barber, Clinton "stepped in, calm and judicious, not irritated, as if rehearsing an old but honorable debate he had been having with his wife for decades."

I know how you feel. I understand Hillary's sense of outrage. It makes me mad too. Sure, we lost our base in the South; our boys voted for Gingrich. But let me tell you something. I know these boys. I grew up with them. Hardworking, poor, white boys, who feel left out, feel that our reforms always come at their expense. Think about it, every progressive advance our country has made since the Civil War has been on their backs. They're the ones asked to pay the price of progress. Now, we are the party of progress, but let me tell you, until we find a way to include these boys in our programs, until we stop making them pay the whole price of liberty for others, we are never going to unite our party, never really going to have change that sticks.

If the tone and tenor of the above sounds familiar, it's because the message, Boyte says, is remarkably similar to what Obama was trying to convey in his now controversial remarks about small town America.

"Well, yeah, absolutely," said Boyte, when asked if Obama and Bill Clinton were expressing the same political viewpoint (Boyte said he and his organization are neutral in the presidential race).

[stefan segal]

Whoa, this part is really telling too.

Ladymod...I don't get your point. If you are trying to make bill, the big dog, look good, I was once a bill clinton lover...that is not the case presently. As far as hillary's character, I see only her husband attempting to get the toothpaste back in the tube.

Hillary proves herself to be 100% programable. I have been watching her to ascertain anything solid in her that would indicate inhouse character...I have yet to discover anything stable other than her rabid desire to win at any cost.

My belief is that bill clinton has somehow lost touch with whats current thinking on the street, but still holds the political 'big dog' title at his family's dinner table. I believe hillary deferrs judgement to bill...or possibly shes listening to some other dufus she defers to. It doesn't say much about hillary's leadership abilities.

I guess it's obvious that I can't stomach hillary, and because of that, I may leap to damn her, but what I absolutley can't stomach about hillary is that she has no character...no internal guidence. To hold her up against Obama is a travisty...there is absolutely no choice...one is real (Obama) and the other is joint effort construction...like the committee that designed the horse that came out like a camel.

Stefan

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Ladymod...I don't get your point. If you are trying to make bill, the big dog, look good, I was once a bill clinton lover...that is not the case presently. As far as hillary's character, I see only her husband attempting to get the toothpaste back in the tube.

Hillary proves herself to be 100% programable. I have been watching her to ascertain anything solid in her that would indicate inhouse character...I have yet to discover anything stable other than her rabid desire to win at any cost.

My belief is that bill clinton has somehow lost touch with whats current thinking on the street, but still holds the political 'big dog' title at his family's dinner table. I believe hillary deferrs judgement to bill...or possibly shes listening to some other dufus she defers to. It doesn't say much about hillary's leadership abilities.

I guess it's obvious that I can't stomach hillary, and because of that, I may leap to damn her, but what I absolutley can't stomach about hillary is that she has no character...no internal guidence. To hold her up against Obama is a travisty...there is absolutely no choice...one is real (Obama) and the other is joint effort construction...like the committee that designed the horse that came out like a camel.

Stefan


Stefan, I am surprised that you missed the point. I'll just chalk it up to a brain fart.

The point is, not only did Bill attempt to gloss over Hillary's remark but he did it with the same type of comment about Southerner's without the condemnation of the media that is being aimed at OBama for saying much the same thing about rural Pennsylvanians.


See?

[Cat slave]

WA is ground zero for no one who has a clue about the middle class and the
challenges we are faced with. You have to be an elitist to even make the
cut and bed up with special interest groups of all persuasion.
They are pigs and dole up the swill for all who will vote for them.

I think Hitlary, no matter what she says, has loathing for the middle class.
There is something about her demeanor and the expressions on her face.
And no one can top me for "impressions". Im known for being able to size
someone up first glance. And yes, I do remember voting for Bush, twice,
but they were not really votes "for" him, just "against Gore and Scary Kerry.

[stefan segal]

Stefan, I am surprised that you missed the point. I'll just chalk it up to a brain fart.

The point is, not only did Bill attempt to gloss over Hillary's remark but he did it with the same type of comment about Southerner's without the condemnation of the media that is being aimed at OBama for saying much the same thing about rural Pennsylvanians.


See?

Ladymod...it must be an age thing...I thought both Barrak's and Bill's coments were pragmatically true...the difference being Obama's remark was sort of a clinical assessment of an existing condition, whereas big bill's observation hit me as more about marketing (himself) conditions.

What really pisses me off, is the twist all media is putting the relationship Obama was offering having to do with religion, guns etc.

Obama was stating that threatening conditions produces a human response to turn to those elements which can be trusted, whereas the media, clinton, twisted his pragmatism into damaged citizens frightened and clinging to god, and angry an reacting with threatening arms.

I didn't see any of that in Obama's speach...ever. It is not in his character to rush to put borders around a group and warn that "there they be dragons". This is counter to his whole thrust..his campaing is aimed at disolving borders.

Unlike Michele, who is finally proud of her country, I am proud of Obama...if he becomes the man who represents this country of mine, then I too will finally feel pride in my country.

We americans are not a white hat nation...we have spread more graves around the world than flowers...if you disagree, then you ought to widen the origins of your input before telling me about it.

Thanks for the heads up...I'll think about it from your point of view:)

Stefan

[stefan segal]

Stefan, I am surprised that you missed the point. I'll just chalk it up to a brain fart.

The point is, not only did Bill attempt to gloss over Hillary's remark but he did it with the same type of comment about Southerner's without the condemnation of the media that is being aimed at OBama for saying much the same thing about rural Pennsylvanians.


See?

Ladymod...it must be an age thing...I thought both Barrak's and Bill's coments were pragmatically true...the difference being Obama's remark was sort of a clinical assessment of an existing condition, whereas big bill's observation hit me as more about marketing (himself) conditions.

What really pisses me off, is the twist all media is putting the relationship Obama was offering having to do with religion, guns etc.

Obama was stating that threatening conditions produces a human response to turn to those elements which can be trusted, whereas the media, clinton, twisted his pragmatism into damaged citizens frightened and clinging to god, and angry an reacting with threatening arms.

I didn't see any of that in Obama's speach...ever. It is not in his character to rush to put borders around a group and warn that "there they be dragons". This is counter to his whole thrust..his campaing is aimed at disolving borders.

Unlike Michele, who is finally proud of her country, I am proud of Obama...if he becomes the man who represents this country of mine, then I too will finally feel pride in my country.

We americans are not a white hat nation...we have spread more graves around the world than flowers...if you disagree, then you ought to widen the origins of your input before telling me about it.

Thanks for the heads up...I'll think about it from your point of view:)

Stefan

[LadyMod at scam.com]

Ladymod...it must be an age thing...I thought both Barrak's and Bill's coments were pragmatically true...the difference being Obama's remark was sort of a clinical assessment of an existing condition, whereas big bill's observation hit me as more about marketing (himself) conditions.

What really pisses me off, is the twist all media is putting the relationship Obama was offering having to do with religion, guns etc.

Obama was stating that threatening conditions produces a human response to turn to those elements which can be trusted, whereas the media, clinton, twisted his pragmatism into damaged citizens frightened and clinging to god, and angry an reacting with threatening arms.

I didn't see any of that in Obama's speach...ever. It is not in his character to rush to put borders around a group and warn that "there they be dragons". This is counter to his whole thrust..his campaing is aimed at disolving borders.

Unlike Michele, who is finally proud of her country, I am proud of Obama...if he becomes the man who represents this country of mine, then I too will finally feel pride in my country.

We americans are not a white hat nation...we have spread more graves around the world than flowers...if you disagree, then you ought to widen the origins of your input before telling me about it.

Thanks for the heads up...I'll think about it from your point of view:)

Stefan

I agree with you 100% and if OBama does get elected I too will finally be able to feel pride in my country. At least in her people.


Lady Mod

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[kres24GT]

What is funny is that some of you are going to vote for her if she beats Obama.

[LadyMod at scam.com]

What is funny is that some of you are going to vote for her if she beats Obama.

Some, but not me.

I'll vote Mickey Mouse or not vote at all.


Lady Mod