Ted Turner: Global warming could lead to cannibalism.... Teds a hoot!

[bigfootzx]

We need food to survive, no debating that. 50 years from now it will be warmer but not that bad, so Ted got that part wrong, but if global warming reduces the amount of food due to lack of plant growth and animals cannot feed and reproduce, cannabalism is a stretch but not 100% out of the question, maybe 99%. There are no man made foods that can sustain life.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/news/stories/2008/04/03/turner_0404.html
Failure to address global warming will have us all dead or eating each other by mid-century. So says Ted Turner, the restaurateur, environmentalist and former media mogul whose controversial comments have earned him the nickname "Mouth of the South."

Turner, 69. "Civilization will have broken down. The few people left will be living in a failed state — like Somalia or Sudan — and living conditions will be intolerable."

Admitting that he's "always suffered from foot-in-the-mouth disease," Turner added, "I've gotten a lot better, though. It's been a long time since anybody caught me saying something stupid."

"The CNN founder also said he thinks his old network has veered too far away from serious news, instead favoring lighter stories delivered by attractive female "chickies" and opinion-based news such as Lou Dobbs' show."

Agreed!!! CNN has shifted focus to compete with Fox News. The party infestation of media has made it more difficult for both parties to be taken seriously all the time. Too many liars on both sides of the media. Opinion based news is destroying the politcal process even further.. Good to see Turner is disappointed too!!

[kres24GT]

Ted went to my HS. So did Pat Robertson.

[Bill]

I for one welcome our new soylent-cooking overlords.

Comes in three crunchy flavors - tangy african, spicy indian, and gingery asian.

[bigfootzx]

Lol, soylent overlords. The poor would eat to survive, the rich would turn cannibalism into the next big thing. Come shop at Publix we have fresh farm raised Iranians with no curry aftertaste!

[bigfootzx]

Ted went to my HS. So did Pat Robertson.

I like Turner, he speaks his mind and no one can manipulate him, the media hate that.

Robertson too, I hope their not too proud of what he's become.

[kres24GT]

I like Turner, he speaks his mind and no one can manipulate him, the media hate that.

Robertson too, I hope their not too proud of what he's become.


I like Ted too, although I don't always agree with him. I do agree with him on a lot of stuff though.

Robertson's not an alumni, he just stopped by for a while. Ted is an alumni though, donated a lot of money to the school.

[disrupter]

Cannibalism is the cure & preventative for global warming.

Eat Bush & Chainy for starters.

The bigger an SUV someone drives, should put them on the top of the menu.

[Cat slave]

I like Ted too, although I don't always agree with him. I do agree with him on a lot of stuff though.

Robertson's not an alumni, he just stopped by for a while. Ted is an alumni though, donated a lot of money to the school.

I think hes right about most of what he said!

[Smurf-Herder]

I can just picture a Ted Turner and Jane, in a Zardoz-type bizarre future, eating dead babies in a cave.

[radioguy]

Did anyone see the other day, they are predicting that we will be cooler again this year...

For those of you lost in the spell of the Al Gore "global warming" hysteria, that will make it 10 years in a row that the earth has cooled, not warmed.

[Moby]

Of course Ted's nuts. Jane would drive any man crazy

[Cat slave]

Guess we are headed for another ice age...caused of course by global warming.:lmao2:

[bigfootzx]

I can just picture a Ted Turner and Jane, in a Zardoz-type bizarre future, eating dead babies in a cave.

lol, but Hanoy Jane won't be eating vietnamese babies

[Smurf-Herder]

Guess we are headed for another ice age...caused of course by global warming.:lmao2:


Hmmm ........ that was already a big issue in the 70s - the Coming Ice Age:

Quintet (1977)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079770/

"During a future ice age, dying humanity occupies its remaining time by playing a board game called "Quintet." For one small group, this obsession is not enough; they play the game with living pieces ... and only the winner survives."

[Cat slave]

Hmmm ........ that was already a big issue in the 70s - the Coming Ice Age:

Quintet (1977)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079770/

"During a future ice age, dying humanity occupies its remaining time by playing a board game called "Quintet." For one small group, this obsession is not enough; they play the game with living pieces ... and only the winner survives."


LOL, yeah I know......thats why its so outrageous. Not that things change but
that what is happening or is claimed to be happening currently has got to be our fault and reversible by us. Ive always wondered why all those other climate changes happened without
our imput.

[Smurf-Herder]

LOL, yeah I know......thats why its so outrageous. Not that things change but
that what is happening or is claimed to be happening currently has got to be our fault and reversible by us. Ive always wondered why all those other climate changes happened without
our imput.

Because there wasn't money to be made, by scaring people with it back then.

Big Green is the new Big Oil - only without the guaranteed end-product; just the profit, based on skewed science and scary predictions.

[Moby]

Because there wasn't money to be made, by scaring people with it back then.

Big Green is the new Big Oil - only without the guaranteed end-product; just the profit, based on skewed science and scary predictions.
Yeah, I see all the Green Corporations raking in $45 Billion profits this year :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Smurf-Herder]

Yeah, I see all the Green Corporations raking in $45 Billion profits this year :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

If you're referring to the Oil Companies ........

...... that's $45 Billion - for supplying most of the world's energy needs. And that $45 Billion gets dispersed between how many shareholders around the world? How much of that Oil Profit is connected to somebody's retirement, along with other long-term investments?

So far Green's big ideas are, taxing Co2 and driving food prices up, by getting everybody to plant corn for Ethanol - which has been found to actually not be any better than oil.


BTW:

Al Gore's fund to close after attracting $5 billion
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/11/business/gore.php

"GENEVA: The sustainable investment firm run by Al Gore, the former U.S. vice-president, is about to be closed to new investors, having raised close to its $5 billion target.

Generation Investment Management will probably restrict inflows into its main Global Equity Fund next month, Gore and David Blood, co-founder of the company, said at a news conference Tuesday.

Blood said the firm could not manage more than $5 billion in assets. While assets under management did not yet correspond to that figure, he said, commitments were in that range."

It's Blood & Gore .......

[Cat slave]

With the rush to grow corn for ethanol theres little seed corn to be had by
plain ole farmers to grow corn for their cattle. This makes everything higher
and shortages are looming big time, but oh boy, were gonna be green with
the ethanol that takes as much energy to make as it produces. Duh!!!
Idiots!

[bigfootzx]

If you're referring to the Oil Companies ........

...... that's $45 Billion - for supplying most of the world's energy needs. And that $45 Billion gets dispersed between how many shareholders around the world? How much of that Oil Profit is connected to somebody's retirement, along with other long-term investments?

So far Green's big ideas are, taxing Co2 and driving food prices up, by getting everybody to plant corn for Ethanol - which has been found to actually not be any better than oil.


BTW:

Al Gore's fund to close after attracting $5 billion
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/11/business/gore.php

"GENEVA: The sustainable investment firm run by Al Gore, the former U.S. vice-president, is about to be closed to new investors, having raised close to its $5 billion target.

Generation Investment Management will probably restrict inflows into its main Global Equity Fund next month, Gore and David Blood, co-founder of the company, said at a news conference Tuesday.

Blood said the firm could not manage more than $5 billion in assets. While assets under management did not yet correspond to that figure, he said, commitments were in that range."

It's Blood & Gore .......

There's a flipside to the green money that will be made. If polluting corporations had it their way, we would have never seen the restrictions we have today, new restrictions will cost money, so the anti-global warming crowd are attempting to sell us their story to save millions per company. The new pollution permits are a band aid fix and a profit machine for traders.

Plenty of propaganda coming from polluters and big money lobby firms to back off the govt and slow the progress towards less pollution and tigher restrictions for new plants and upgrades to existing ones.

[disrupter]

Biofuels from fussy food crops is NOT green,

in any way shape or form.

They drive up food costs in US & the globe so agribusiness can get more of your tax dollars for corporate welfare,

AND you & everyone on the planet pays higher prices for food.

Our corporate welfare 'biofuels' program is INFLATIONARY.

Just say no to ex-patriot corporate welfare.

[radioguy]

If you're referring to the Oil Companies ........

...... that's $45 Billion - for supplying most of the world's energy needs. And that $45 Billion gets dispersed between how many shareholders around the world? How much of that Oil Profit is connected to somebody's retirement, along with other long-term investments?

And lets not forget that "Big oil" pays and average of 42 percent of their profits to the government in corperate taxes.

[Independent Harry]

And lets not forget that "Big oil" pays and average of 42 percent of their profits to the government in corperate taxes.

Bull, they dont' pay anywhere near that.

[radioguy]

Bull, they dont' pay anywhere near that.

From the "Tax Foundation (http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1168.html)" fiscal facts page...

In contrast to excise taxes, corporate income tax payments vary as widely as industry profits. As mentioned above, domestic energy companies earned a total of $630 billion in post-tax profits between 1977 and 2004. Tax Foundation economists estimate that companies paid $518 billion in corporate income taxes to federal and state governments during the same period.

So the cleared 630 billion and paid 518 billion in taxes.

You got me there Harry... It´s more like 45 percent they paid. When your right, your right.

[Independent Harry]

From the "Tax Foundation (http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1168.html)" fiscal facts page...

In contrast to excise taxes, corporate income tax payments vary as widely as industry profits. As mentioned above, domestic energy companies earned a total of $630 billion in post-tax profits between 1977 and 2004. Tax Foundation economists estimate that companies paid $518 billion in corporate income taxes to federal and state governments during the same period.

So the cleared 630 billion and paid 518 billion in taxes.

You got me there Harry... It´s more like 45 percent they paid. When your right, your right.

Yeah, if you want to see hwo much they actually paid in comparison to how much they made, go through their tax returns and then take away any type of depretiation expenses or other expenses of that nature. I used to do corporate finance, I would break down tax returns all the time. The amount of money they paid to actual retained income as a percentage is much much lower than the 45% quoted on teh IRS page.

[bigfootzx]

Yeah, if you want to see hwo much they actually paid in comparison to how much they made, go through their tax returns and then take away any type of depretiation expenses or other expenses of that nature. I used to do corporate finance, I would break down tax returns all the time. The amount of money they paid to actual retained income as a percentage is much much lower than the 45% quoted on teh IRS page.

33% to 35%, less than 30% for some companies. Public companies make it difficult to see the after tax returns because they don't want shareholders
bickering over executive salaries in comparison to after tax income.

I question the 45% number too since this website says they are non-partisan and it says nothing about how much financial donations they get from corporations, yet they have a donations web page. Plenty of cloak and dagger companies publishing data rigged in favor of corporations to paint the picture that they already pay too much.

[Smurf-Herder]

Biofuels from fussy food crops is NOT green,

in any way shape or form.

They drive up food costs in US & the globe so agribusiness can get more of your tax dollars for corporate welfare,

AND you & everyone on the planet pays higher prices for food.

Our corporate welfare 'biofuels' program is INFLATIONARY.

Just say no to ex-patriot corporate welfare.

I agree with you 100% on biofuels - so take that! haha

[bigfootzx]

Biofuels from fussy food crops is NOT green,

in any way shape or form.

They drive up food costs in US & the globe so agribusiness can get more of your tax dollars for corporate welfare,

AND you & everyone on the planet pays higher prices for food.

Our corporate welfare 'biofuels' program is INFLATIONARY.

Just say no to ex-patriot corporate welfare.

Buy a still and make your own biofuel and beer too.
Still can be bought for less than $3000 and make 2 to 3 gallon
per hour. A friend of mine is going to buy a still.

http://www.coppermoonshinestills.com/id42.html

http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/index.html

http://drive85.com/index5.html

40% or more of e85 will be made from sugar. All the media talk about
is corn, because that's what wall street and the oil giants want us to
hear. Corn prices are hyped up to profit from the demand. Sugar, switchgrass, etc........

A quarter cent ($0.0025) is the smallest value change that registers on the commodity exchanges for the price of a bushel of corn. This is called in trader parlance a “tick,” and every tick in the price of corn is worth $12.50 per contract.

So in shorthand, since between May 13 and July 18, the price of corn went from $2.11 to $2.63, it climbed a total of $0.51 ¾, which comes to 207 ticks, or $2,587.50. Can you see how online trading commodities can make money? Futures trading can leverage a little money to control a lot! Greed movs the price more than supply and demand stats.

For oil, each dollar move in price of oil equals a $1000 gain or loss. Multiply that times 150,000 contracts which is not an uncommon number of contracts that a brokerage may hold short term
and they trade options too. Greed is good as Gordon Gecco said!! And we pay at the pump!!!

[Independent Harry]

Corn is one of the worst crops you could use for Biofuels, sugar cane is much more efficient. Considering it will ferment itself for the most part, with corn the process is much more involved.

Sugar cane will be much cheaper, and it isn't cutting intoa necessary food source. People can easily consume less sugar, and it would be healthier for them. So if sugar costs rise a big, no big deal.

[radioguy]

Yeah, if you want to see hwo much they actually paid in comparison to how much they made, go through their tax returns and then take away any type of depretiation expenses or other expenses of that nature. I used to do corporate finance, I would break down tax returns all the time. The amount of money they paid to actual retained income as a percentage is much much lower than the 45% quoted on teh IRS page.

I provided documentation to support my claim Harry... Where´s yours.

While you think up another clever way to dispute the facts without providing anything to support it with, here is a recent article from the Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_8800146)that talks about this issue in more recent terms...

So is Big Oil paying its fair share of taxes? The caricature painted by some in Congress could lead you to think that oil companies routinely shirk their tax responsibilities and pay a miniscule amount compared to their profits. The reality, however, is very different. By virtually any measure, oil companies pay a tremendous amount in taxes.

According to the U.S. Department of Energy, the top 27 energy-producing companies in the United States paid more than $30 billion in taxes in 2001. In 2006, that number spiked to just under $90 billion, almost a 300 percent increase in just five years.

When combining corporate income taxes with the huge amount of excise and extraction taxes paid, oil companies pay a worldwide effective tax rate of 37 percent, higher than virtually any other industry.

Do you have anything else to add Harry... Or are you going to just post more unsupported statistics.

[Cat slave]

I agree with you 100% on biofuels - so take that! haha

I also agree! GASP! Did I really agree with dissy?

Yeah, guess so. Ive been harping from day one that it is folly to have a major
food source and a fuel source the same. A good case of corn, blight and or
a sever drought like the southeast suffered last summer and we are toast.

Local small farmers cannot even get seed corn this year to grow corn for their
cattle.

[Independent Harry]

I provided documentation to support my claim Harry... Where´s yours.

While you think up another clever way to dispute the facts without providing anything to support it with, here is a recent article from the Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_8800146)that talks about this issue in more recent terms...

So is Big Oil paying its fair share of taxes? The caricature painted by some in Congress could lead you to think that oil companies routinely shirk their tax responsibilities and pay a miniscule amount compared to their profits. The reality, however, is very different. By virtually any measure, oil companies pay a tremendous amount in taxes.

According to the U.S. Department of Energy, the top 27 energy-producing companies in the United States paid more than $30 billion in taxes in 2001. In 2006, that number spiked to just under $90 billion, almost a 300 percent increase in just five years.

When combining corporate income taxes with the huge amount of excise and extraction taxes paid, oil companies pay a worldwide effective tax rate of 37 percent, higher than virtually any other industry.

Do you have anything else to add Harry... Or are you going to just post more unsupported statistics.

Lol grim, again you're dealing with my specialty. I broke down tax returns for a living. Here's all you need to know, what they had in retained income vs what they paid in taxes was much lower than 40 something percent. If you believe that, then you are daft. But again, we already knew that...

[radioguy]

Lol grim, again you're dealing with my specialty. I broke down tax returns for a living. Here's all you need to know, what they had in retained income vs what they paid in taxes was much lower than 40 something percent. If you believe that, then you are daft. But again, we already knew that...

So I guess what you´re saying is, you have nothing to back up your claim. You expect everyone to disregard the statistics I provided, and instead believe you at face value.

I would be surprised, if your position wasn´t so typical of how so many on the left operate these days.

[Independent Harry]

So I guess what you´re saying is, you have nothing to back up your claim. You expect everyone to disregard the statistics I provided, and instead believe you at face value.

I would be surprised, if your position wasn´t so typical of how so many on the left operate these days.

Let's look at the statiscs you provided, one says in the 40 something percent the other says 37%. That's a pretty big swing, you're tlaking billions of dollars in revenue, which is it?

Grim, you're the big government guy, not me. I'm actually a conservative, hwo many times do we have to go over this. Your political philosophy came from left roots, and has no traditional conservative values in it at all. What you believe is a liberal philosophy...you're just programmed everyday to think you are actually conservative.

[disrupter]

Biofuels might make sense if they can be created 'greenly' from low/easy maintenance non-food crops, but we need to create that technology first. This is just like SDI, another corporate money toilet instead of finding something that actually works first.

radioguy,
oil companies currently get subsidies from the government,
they DON'T pay the drilling royalties they are supposed to be paying taxpayers for drilling on federal lands/territories.
They have spent tens of millions lying about global warming, burning time when we could have started taking action sooner & developing technologies.
They have been caught red-handed trying to monopolize the refining capacity in the US, running out independents & even extorting banks not to finance independent purchases & refurbishing of idle refineries.

If it weren't for their litany of corruption, lies & thievery i would otherwise say the good luck of the market to them was theirs to keep,

But they are little more than polished sociopathic criminals,
they and their families can be burned alive in a pool of their own companies crude for all i care.

The universe can be harsh,
when people are rotten they deserve any harshness you care to give them.

[Independent Harry]

Biofuels might make sense if they can be created 'greenly' from low/easy maintenance non-food crops, but we need to create that technology first. This is just like SDI, another corporate money toilet instead of finding something that actually works first.

radioguy,
oil companies currently get subsidies from the government,
they DON'T pay the drilling royalties they are supposed to be paying taxpayers for drilling on federal lands/territories.
They have spent tens of millions lying about global warming, burning time when we could have started taking action sooner & developing technologies.
They have been caught red-handed trying to monopolize the refining capacity in the US, running out independents & even extorting banks not to finance independent purchases & refurbishing of idle refineries.

If it weren't for their litany of corruption, lies & thievery i would otherwise say the good luck of the market to them was theirs to keep,

But they are little more than polished sociopathic criminals,
they and their families can be burned alive in a pool of their own companies crude for all i care.

The universe can be harsh,
when people are rotten they deserve any harshness you care to give them.


lol, shh, dont' tell him that, if its not writen on the IRS page, or a right wing blog, he'll call bollox on you...

[bigfootzx]

Biofuels might make sense if they can be created 'greenly' from low/easy maintenance non-food crops, but we need to create that technology first. This is just like SDI, another corporate money toilet instead of finding something that actually works first.

when people are rotten they deserve any harshness you care to give them.

Switchgrass is a non-food alternative. The rotten people in this country would rather use food crops as a quick fix to produce biofuels and they get to drive up the price of corn and pretend it is the only useable source. Plenty of sugar available and sugar is creating biofuels but the masterrace must keep the world focused on corn as the only viable solution. If switchgrass became the mainstream product, wall street would commoditize it so they could profit from the trading contracts.
http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/switgrs.html
"Test plots of switchgrass at Auburn University have produced up to 15 tons of dry biomass per acre, and five- year yields average 11.5 tons—enough to make 1,150 gallons of ethanol per acre each year."

But what makes switchgrass bad for barefoot lawns makes it ideal for energy crops: It grows fast, capturing lots of solar energy and turning it into lots of chemical energy— cellulose—that can be liquified, gasified, or burned directly. It also reaches deep into the soil for water, and uses the water it finds very efficiently.

[bigfootzx]

Too little too late, they could have called for investigations when the price jumped above $75. When price exceeds fundementals.........specucalation leads to manipulation. Its like leaving the doors at the bank unlocked and the safe open.

“National economic emergency” so lets deem these energy traders and analysts as "enemy combatants" and ship them to Gitmo................ problem solved. OilWatchDog should have have used the phrase "Economic National Security" as the whole nation is under siege!!! (ENS) has more appeal and it's a catch all phrase the media could use to polarize the nation against big oil and the speculators. Big oil companies all have oil trading divisions so they are at fault too despite the propaganda that they are not to blame. We have to focus on speculators to contain and control
price manipulation. Then we could see lower prices closer to fundemental price levels.

Everything from Aspirin to M&M's to Zippo lighters require oil as either raw materials, production or shipping of the product. Real inflation is 10% once we add food and energy back to GDP, but you can't tell Uncle Benny that!!! He's still taking helicopter lessons!

http://www.oilwatchdog.org/articles/?storyId=19627
Santa Monica, CA -- At the accelerating rate of increase in pump prices, gasoline will soon cost over $4.00 a gallon in California and other high-priced states, said Consumer Watchdog, urging Congress and the White House to push investigations of oil trading speculation and refineries’ deliberate cutbacks in gasoline production.

The House and Senate each held one committee hearing last week related to energy prices, but much more is needed, said Consumer Watchdog (formerly the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights). The federal Energy Information Administration’s weekly report of national average prices for regular hitting $3.332 today, and diesel averaging $3.955, should qualify as a “national economic emergency,” said the watchdog group.

[radioguy]

Let's look at the statiscs you provided, one says in the 40 something percent the other says 37%. That's a pretty big swing, you're tlaking billions of dollars in revenue, which is it?

Take a look at the two Harry... One is examining data from the 70´s through today, and the other is looking at the last few years. There´s your difference.

[petetree]

Switchgrass is a non-food alternative. The rotten people in this country would rather use food crops as a quick fix to produce biofuels and they get to drive up the price of corn and pretend it is the only useable source. Plenty of sugar available and sugar is creating biofuels but the masterrace must keep the world focused on corn as the only viable solution. If switchgrass became the mainstream product, wall street would commoditize it so they could profit from the trading contracts.
http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/switgrs.html
"Test plots of switchgrass at Auburn University have produced up to 15 tons of dry biomass per acre, and five- year yields average 11.5 tons—enough to make 1,150 gallons of ethanol per acre each year."

But what makes switchgrass bad for barefoot lawns makes it ideal for energy crops: It grows fast, capturing lots of solar energy and turning it into lots of chemical energy— cellulose—that can be liquified, gasified, or burned directly. It also reaches deep into the soil for water, and uses the water it finds very efficiently.

I know I bring this into many conversations I have online, at various sites...But...I am surprised no one has brought up Industrial Hemp as an alternative fuel source...It will flourish under even the harshest conditions, weather changes? Doesn't matter, it will adapt! It is a weed after all...

[Independent Harry]

Take a look at the two Harry... One is examining data from the 70´s through today, and the other is looking at the last few years. There´s your difference.

Did those taxes paid take into account subsidies provided by the government back to the companies grim? I dont' think so. Again, you are blinded by your government, willing to take anything it says at face value...

[bigfootzx]

I know I bring this into many conversations I have online, at various sites...But...I am surprised no one has brought up Industrial Hemp as an alternative fuel source...It will flourish under even the harshest conditions, weather changes? Doesn't matter, it will adapt! It is a weed after all...

Hemp, you mean wacky weed? I guess so, but controlling mass farms from hippie raids would costly. I haven't researched hemp, heard about it. But doesn't hemp die at the first frost ? Grass from our lawns in is R&D too. Rake up a pile, let it sit overnight and lift up a chunk at smell the fermentation.

Switch grass is a 24/7 crop that has roots that dig deep for water so we don't have to spend a fortune on irrigation.

We're going to have to find reliable sources to create lubricants from plants and/or synthetics. Once the oil is gone machinery must continue or we'll all be farming our own meals again. Or maybe the Amish will feed us all?

[petetree]

Hemp, you mean wacky weed? I guess so, but controlling mass farms from hippie raids would costly. I haven't researched hemp, heard about it. But doesn't hemp die at the first frost ? Grass from our lawns in is R&D too. Rake up a pile, let it sit overnight and lift up a chunk at smell the fermentation.

Switch grass is a 24/7 crop that has roots that dig deep for water so we don't have to spend a fortune on irrigation.

We're going to have to find reliable sources to create lubricants from plants and/or synthetics. Once the oil is gone machinery must continue or we'll all be farming our own meals again. Or maybe the Amish will feed us all?

Wacky weed? Nope...Hemp, you know, what they used to make the huge braided ropes on massive sailing vessels (strongest natural fiber known to mankind BTW) out of? You know the first American flag, the one in the Smithsonian, out of it? Yeah, that hemp, the stuff that grows thirty feet tall under the right conditions, and produces seeds that have more protien than peanutbutter...Oh, and can be made into any, and I mean any petroleum product...Oh, and because Industrial Hemp produces virtually NO THC, it would be safe from maurauding bands of hopped-up-hippies (card carrying):thumbsup:

[radioguy]

Did those taxes paid take into account subsidies provided by the government back to the companies grim? I dont' think so. Again, you are blinded by your government, willing to take anything it says at face value...

You don´t think so...

How about you provide documentation to back up your assumptions Harry.

I´ve asked you more than once on this thread to prove your accusations, so how about you either do it, or put a sock in it.

[Cat slave]

My weekend was spent working a booth for our non profit at an air show. Geez,
I hate this global warming! We froze both days, literally! Cold, biting winds in
the middle of April! Maybe we are embarking on that ice age predicted some
decades ago.

[Independent Harry]

You don´t think so...

How about you provide documentation to back up your assumptions Harry.

I´ve asked you more than once on this thread to prove your accusations, so how about you either do it, or put a sock in it.

Beacuse you idiot. Taxes returns don't take that into account. Where is the line on your tax returns that show subsidies paid back? It's common knowledge. Well common knowledge to people that arent' retards.

So here's your answer, No they don't take into account subsidies paid back.

[radioguy]

Beacuse you idiot. Taxes returns don't take that into account. Where is the line on your tax returns that show subsidies paid back? It's common knowledge. Well common knowledge to people that arent' retards.

So here's your answer, No they don't take into account subsidies paid back.

So in other words, you´re making assumptions that you can´t prove and trying to pass them off as fact.

Got it Harry.