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Moby
04-01-2008, 04:01 PM
Why don't we care more about the education of our future?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,344190,00.html
WASHINGTON — Seventeen of the nation's 50 largest cities had high school graduation rates lower than 50 percent, with the lowest graduation rates reported in Detroit, Indianapolis and Cleveland, according to a report released Tuesday.

The report, issued by America's Promise Alliance, found that about half of the students served by public school systems in the nation's largest cities receive diplomas. Students in suburban and rural public high schools were more likely to graduate than their counterparts in urban public high schools, the researchers said.

Nationally, about 70 percent of U.S. students graduate on time with a regular diploma and about 1.2 million students drop out annually.

"When more than 1 million students a year drop out of high school, it's more than a problem, it's a catastrophe," said former Secretary of State Colin Powell, founding chair of the alliance.

His wife, Alma Powell, the chair of the alliance, said students need to graduate with skills that will help them in higher education and beyond. "We must invest in the whole child, and that means finding solutions that involve the family, the school and the community." The Powell's organization was beginning a national campaign to cut high school dropout rates.

The group, joining Education Secretary Margaret Spellings at a Tuesday news conference, was announcing plans to hold summits in every state during the next two years on ways to better prepare students for college and the work force.

The report found troubling data on the prospects of urban public high school students getting to college. In Detroit's public schools, 24.9 percent of the students graduated from high school, while 30.5 percent graduated in Indianapolis Public Schools and 34.1 percent received diplomas in the Cleveland Municipal City School District.

Researchers analyzed school district data from 2003-2004 collected by the U.S. Department of Education. To calculate graduation rates, the report estimated the likelihood that a 9th grader would complete high school on time with a regular diploma. Researchers used school enrollment and diploma data, but did not use data on dropouts as part of its calculation.

Many metropolitan areas also showed a considerable gap in the graduation rates between their inner-city schools and the surrounding suburbs. Researchers found, for example, that 81.5 percent of the public school students in Baltimore's suburbs graduate, compared with 34.6 percent in the city schools.

In Ohio, nearly 83 percent of public high school students in suburban Columbus graduate while 78.1 percent in suburban Cleveland earn their diplomas, well above their local city schools.

Ohio Department of Education spokesman Scott Blake said the state delays its estimates by a few months so it can include summer graduates in its calculations. Based on the state's methodology, he said Columbus graduated 60.6 percent of its students in 2003-2004, rather than the 40.9 percent the study calculated.

By Ohio's reckoning, Columbus has improved each year since the 2001-2002 school year, with 72.9 percent of students graduating in 2005-2006, Columbus Public Schools spokesman Jeff Warner said.

Warner said the gains were partly because of after-school and weekend tutoring, coordinated literacy programs in the district's elementary schools and bolstered English-as-a-second-language programs.

Cleveland's current graduation rates are also higher than the statistics cited in the new report, school district spokesman Ben Holbert said.

Spellings has called for requiring states to provide graduation data in a more uniform way under the renewal of the No Child Left Behind education law pending in Congress.

Under the 2002 law, schools that miss progress goals face increasing sanctions, including forced use of federal money for private tutoring, easing student transfers, and restructuring of school staff.

States calculate their graduation rates using all sorts of methods, many of which critics say are based on unreliable information about school dropouts. Under No Child Left Behind, states may use their own methods of calculating graduation rates and set their own goals for improving them.

The research was conducted by Editorial Projects in Education, a Bethesda, Md., nonprofit organization, with support from America's Promise Alliance and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

The alliance is based on a joint effort of nonprofit groups, corporations, community leaders, charities, faith-based organizations and individuals to improve children's lives.

mwillman
04-01-2008, 04:07 PM
No child left behind.
Talk about an oxymoron.

kres24GT
04-01-2008, 04:11 PM
Too many things need to be fixed, and people are not willing to fix them or make the changes necessary. Not to mention the politcians are invested in keeping the masses ignorant.

kres24GT
04-01-2008, 04:28 PM
Parents are a huge problem. For one parents don't want to admit they send their kids to a crap school. Public schools are like congressmen, everyone thinks they all suck, except theirs.

Also welfare and the overall idea of government dependence has created a culture of millions of Americans who beleive it is the job of the government to raise their children. "I don't have to make sure my child is educated, that is the government's job." Not to mention welfare leading to a lot of WIC babies (children only had for the increase in welfare payments) who clog the schools with 0 parental influence or support.

Teacher's unions also pose a threat. By forcing and end to competitive pay and competition in schools there is little incentive to be a better teacher, or school. We are pretty much the only major country to have no school and/or teacher competition.

Also as I said the politcians need to keep the people stupid. They would be crazy to educate the people. They need to keep a large number of people, stupid, uneducated, poor, and dependent on them.

bigfootzx
04-01-2008, 04:32 PM
Political dumbasses on both sides have failed the nation. It is easier to glad hand kids thru school with easier standards and forget about the slackers who refuse to learn even with the weak testing standards designed to help kids earn a passing grade. I know several teachers who say it is easier to earn a diploma now than when they were in school.

Why educate when we can import immigrants who have the skills to handle analytical decision making required for specialized industries.

No child left behind means no child will fail if they are willing to show up and do the minimum amount work required. Too much work means they would not have time for American Idol and all the other stupid reality shows that dumb down the masses. Reality shows are = to prime time soap operas.

kres24GT
04-01-2008, 04:38 PM
Political dumbasses on both sides have failed the nation. It is easier to glad hand kids thru school with easier standards and forget about the slackers who refuse to learn even with the weak testing standards designed to help kids earn a passing grade. I know several teachers who say it is easier to earn a diploma now than when they were in school.

Why educate when we can import immigrants who have the skills to handle analytical decision making required for specialized industries.

No child left behind means no child will fail if they are willing to show up and do the minimum amount work required. Too much work means they would not have time for American Idol and all the other stupid reality shows that dumb down the masses. Reality shows are = to prime time soap operas.


Getting rid of the Department of Education would be a prime start to fixing the problem. The federal government having a say in the education of the masses... the conflict of interest is huge.

Of course state rights is a thing of the past.

disrupter
04-01-2008, 04:52 PM
it is a reflection of the shallowness of our culture.

Bush, drug dealer, alcoholic, academic deadbeat, got installed by the criminal elite.
TV shows show a bunch of sociopaths in action with most 'reality' TV.

Our system seems to favor cynicism, mythology & crime & not anything sound, honest or with integrity.

The shallowness & emptiness of slick glossy advertising promises are a part of this.

Sometimes you can make some things too easy.
They lose the tensile feedback, the tactile sense of accomplishment.

We need to overhaul our value system.
We need to honor hard, intelligent work & not a bunch of freeloading leeches & maggots.
We need to value & enhance critical thinking & not muddle minded superstition.

Publicly proclaimed religion is about freeloading on society, not about finding some internal private core of solace to sustain you through difficult times.

Reagan was the standard bearer of the leech culture,
delegated, co-opted, and didn't have the mind to do any critical thinking.
The benign facade of the hand of evil.

Capitalism, ruthless, wicked, selfish leeching,
Communism, collective leeching.

Government needs to be seen as a necessary function,
& not as anyone's free ride to anywhere.
Your life is your own, you should be thankful for that.

The government should be the expression of a MINIMAL, but NECESSARY set of shared ideas.

keywords: MINIMAL, NECESSARY.

Government is not the beast of burden of the liberal left, reactionary right, the military-industrial complex or corporations or the rich.

kres24GT
04-01-2008, 04:59 PM
it is a reflection of the shallowness of our culture.

Bush, drug dealer, alcoholic, academic deadbeat, got installed by the criminal elite.
TV shows show a bunch of sociopaths in action with most 'reality' TV.

Our system seems to favor cynicism, mythology & crime & not anything sound, honest or with integrity.

Sometimes you can make some things too easy.
They lose the tensile feedback, the tactile sense of accomplishment.

We need to overhaul our value system.
We need to honor hard, intelligent work & not a bunch of freeloading leeches & maggots.
We need to value & enhance critical thinking & not muddle minded superstition.

Publicly proclaimed religion is about freeloading on society, not about finding some internal private core of solace to sustain you through difficult times.

Reagan was the standard bearer of the leech culture,
delegated, co-opted, and didn't have the mind to do any critical thinking.
The benign facade of the hand of evil.

Capitalism, ruthless, wicked, selfish leeching,
Communism, collective leeching.

Government needs to be seen as a necessary function,
& not as anyone's free ride to anywhere.
Your life is your own, you should be thankful for that,
You aren't a vassal of the state,
aren't you glad?

The government should be the expression of a MINIMAL set of shared ideas.

keyword: MINIMAL.

Government is not the beast of burden of the liberal left, reactionary right, the military-industrial complex or corporations or the rich.



Contradicting yourself once again.

disrupter
04-01-2008, 05:08 PM
No,
i believe one cages things by coming at it from both sides.

Unlike you i don't expect good things to happen by magic.

kres24GT
04-01-2008, 05:11 PM
No,
i believe one cages things by coming at it from both sides.

Unlike you i don't expect good things to happen by magic.


Yes, you expect them to happen form big government. Actually you beleive a huge federal government is the only way to accomplish anything.

disrupter
04-01-2008, 05:26 PM
take a look at your hand,
your thumb works in opposition to your fingers.

opposable grip.

the responsible individual in conjuctive opposition to the responsible government is optimal.

To be dexterously able in creating the environment we choose to live in.

kres24GT
04-01-2008, 05:30 PM
take a look at your hand,
your thumb works in opposition to your fingers.

opposable grip.

the responsible individual in conjuctive opposition to the responsible government is optimal.

To be dexterously able in creating the environment we choose to live in.


It's easy to say you favor limited government, but when the responsibility of it dawns on you, you quickly revert to big government saviors.

Moby
04-01-2008, 05:34 PM
I think that the problem is two fold.

1. Parents are willing to accept poor education instead of demanding it.
2. Government wants an under educated society because it's easier to distract them with buzz words and allow them to ignore the facts.

No child left behind was the largest downward push that our education system has ever received. We need to start holding our education against world standards. That means learning about other countries, governments and less time watching American Idol.

disrupter
04-01-2008, 05:38 PM
We have to make it rewarding to be educated,

monetarily &/or society respect wise.

Right now we have a bunch of voodoo christians fighting & disrespecting scientists trying to educate their ignorant children.

But let me guess their kids are watching Idol, Donald Trump & Paradise Hotel.

Wasn't there some passage about idolators in the Bible . . . .?

kres24GT
04-01-2008, 05:41 PM
We have to make it rewarding to be educated,

monetarily &/or society respect wise.

Right now we have a bunch of voodoo christians fighting & disrespecting scientists trying to educate their ignorant children.

But let me guess their kids are watching Idol, Donald Trump & Paradise Hotel.

Wasn't there some passage about idolators in the Bible . . . .?



Almost all of our problems are because of big government, becuase of people like you trying to force everyone to beleive as you do. More big government is not the solution.

David Alexander
04-02-2008, 05:07 PM
We have to make it rewarding to be educated,

monetarily &/or society respect wise.

Right now we have a bunch of voodoo christians fighting & disrespecting scientists trying to educate their ignorant children.

But let me guess their kids are watching Idol, Donald Trump & Paradise Hotel.

Wasn't there some passage about idolators in the Bible . . . .?

You are absolutely right. We need to teach English, history, math, science, and art in our schools. We do not need to teach our children about the fairy tales that make up the entire Holy Bible. That will only destroy more of their brain cells.

Cat slave
04-03-2008, 12:25 AM
Parents are a huge problem. For one parents don't want to admit they send their kids to a crap school. Public schools are like congressmen, everyone thinks they all suck, except theirs.

Also welfare and the overall idea of government dependence has created a culture of millions of Americans who beleive it is the job of the government to raise their children. "I don't have to make sure my child is educated, that is the government's job." Not to mention welfare leading to a lot of WIC babies (children only had for the increase in welfare payments) who clog the schools with 0 parental influence or support.

Teacher's unions also pose a threat. By forcing and end to competitive pay and competition in schools there is little incentive to be a better teacher, or school. We are pretty much the only major country to have no school and/or teacher competition.

Also as I said the politcians need to keep the people stupid. They would be crazy to educate the people. They need to keep a large number of people, stupid, uneducated, poor, and dependent on them.


YEAH! What he said!!!!!:thumbsup:

Cat slave
04-03-2008, 12:31 AM
Regarding education....forced busing to create racial quotas in schools took
kids out of their neighborhoods, most of the time way cross town into areas
where they knew no one and parents who wanted to be involved in their kids
schools could not get off work and drive 45 minutes to the other side of town,
so many parents who would have been involved really couldnt

Fortunately, I escaped busing and finished my high school years with the same
kids I went to elementary school with and most everyone knew everyone else
and went to each others houses etc. We had reputations to uphold within
our community and peers. Busing tore apart the communities, obliterated the
neighborhood schools and replaced them with huge comprehensive high schools
like little schools under one roof and bar the door!!!!! Its not working!

disrupter
04-03-2008, 09:21 AM
The most essential thing to learn is critical thinking.

Simplistic good & evil will not cut it.
One must sift & parse things for the good & ill of them.

Skeptical, evenhanded reserve should be one's point of observation.

Does available evidence support what someone states or does it refute it?

Right & Wrong answers, as most tests are doesn't work.
You need people who can come up with an original viewpoint & then outline what things support their view.
The ability to accrue, weigh & measure evidence is vastly more important in an ambiguous universe than some dolt headed 'right/wrong' paradigm.

The art of debating is an excellent skill set to learn as long as they also realize [are taught] there are [will be] genuine better options & selections than others.
It should never be about 'winning'. It should be targeted at in depth critical thought for real genuine best options.
It teaches them how propaganda is sculpted so they can see through hollow facade arguments.

They have to feel around for the real nuts & bolts & not be deceived by pretty hologram advertising that attempts to veil them.