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Bill
03-10-2008, 08:49 PM
I'm not sure how reliable this is as a news source - lots of interesting articles tho.

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=41430

A UNHCR report issued last month contradicts reports by mainstream media in the U.S., and claims by the Bush administration, that more Iraqis are returning to their homes than the number leaving.

The report says that from February 2006-October 2007 Syria received between 30,000-60,000 refugees each month. Immigration officials at al-Tanf on the border say the daily average for those entering Syria from Iraq in late January was over 1,200, while the daily average crossing back was less than 700.

"Many assassinations take place all over Iraq, including Baghdad, and military operations are still being carried out the same way as 2004 and 2005," Nayil Mufeed, a security advisor with a mobile phone company in Baghdad told IPS. "We have advised our employers that moving out of Baghdad to Amman is a definite necessity in such a fragile security situation."

"Even if we believed that security is better in some areas, we know it is worse in other areas, and that it changes suddenly from one place to another," Farooq Munim, a retired school headmaster from Mosul, now a refugee in Syria told IPS.

"My city, Mosul, was safe for those who have no connection with Americans or government intelligence, but now it is not safe for anyone after the explosion at the Zinjilly neighbourhood that was carried out by Peshmerga (Kurdish militias) and Americans to justify the new surge against the city."

Mosul city, 300 km north of Baghdad, is under a major siege by the U.S. military supported by the Kurdish militia and Iraqi troops from southern Iraq. The city, a Sunni stronghold, has been a target for Kurdish militias attempting to cleanse it of its Arab majority in order to support claims that it is a Kurdish city.

Many Iraqis in Syria say they will not return for fear of detention.

"They (U.S. military) say Fallujah is safe now while over 800 men are detained there under the worst conditions," 25-year-old Omar, whose name is on a list of wanted persons by the local police, told IPS. "I am wanted by Fallujah police just because I helped some foreign journalists who visited the city to cover the American crime in 2004, and I showed them eyewitnesses who testified that there were Iraqis who helped the Americans destroy our city. At least 750 out of the 800 detainees are not resistance fighters, but people who refused to collaborate with occupation forces and their tails."

Iraqis commonly refer to Iraqis who collaborate with occupation forces as "tails of the Americans."

For Iraqis who do return home, the reasons usually have little to do with any perception that things are improving.

"If you do not mention my name and my company, I will tell you all about Iraqis returning home," a passenger transport company manager in Damascus told IPS. "People just move back and forth to check their property, cash their pensions and salaries and for other necessities, but the media make it look like people returning home."

"Some people did go back when they had nothing to spend any more, especially after the Iraqi government promised to pay them money on return," said the manager. "Many of them came back to Syria when they found that all those promises were just lies. On the other hand, Iraqis from the north and south are still fleeing because of the military operations everywhere in Iraq."

Another UN survey of Iraqis returning to their country found that "46 percent were leaving Syria because they could not afford to stay, 25 percent said they fell victim to a stricter Syrian visa policy; and only 14 percent said they were returning because they had heard about improved security."

Moby
03-11-2008, 01:41 AM
This is an absolute lie. We've won the war and it's as peaceful as Indiana.

I just thought I'd help Frank out.

Bill
03-11-2008, 04:25 AM
i signed up for some newsletters from that place - I was fairly impressed by the level of detail in some of their articles.

Frankg
03-11-2008, 06:30 AM
This is an absolute lie. We've won the war and it's as peaceful as Indiana.

I just thought I'd help Frank out.

Its about time you got on the bus SirMoby , now in regards to Bill's article , it came out of Damascus, wonder why he left that little detail out, but in fact people are not fleeing Iraq, we have won , Al-Qaeda is gone and the only running that's taking place is the Fallujah 5K road race

Fallujah's First 5K Road Race a Great Success
This didn't make many headlines today...
Fallujah, Iraq, once a terrorist haven (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oif-phantom-fury-fallujah.htm), held its first fun run on Sunday.
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A policeman starts a 5km (3.1 miles) road race in Falluja, 50 km (30 miles) west of Baghdad, March 9, 2008. (Reuters (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080310/ids_photos_wl/r3260813498.jpg/))

http://bp3.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R9Xe3n-mxxI/AAAAAAAAL-U/vjbVoSCdlCU/s400/road+race2.JPG (http://bp3.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R9Xe3n-mxxI/AAAAAAAAL-U/vjbVoSCdlCU/s1600-h/road+race2.JPG)
Participants run during a 5 km (3.1 miles) road race in Falluja, 50 km (30 miles) west of Baghdad, March 9, 2008. (Reuters (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080310/ids_photos_wl/r1484169402.jpg/))

http://bp1.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R9XeVH-mxwI/AAAAAAAAL-M/vgKFOGjRqA0/s400/road+race.JPG (http://bp1.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R9XeVH-mxwI/AAAAAAAAL-M/vgKFOGjRqA0/s1600-h/road+race.JPG)
Mohammed Abdul Hameed (front), the winner of the 5 km (3.1 miles) road race, approaches the finish line in Falluja, 50 km (30 miles) west of Baghdad March 9, 2008. About 200 participants took part in the run on Sunday. Picture taken March 9, 2008.
(REUTERS/ (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080310/ids_photos_wl/r2304311185.jpg/)Mohanned Faisal)

Michael Totten (http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/03/in-the-villages.php) wrote another exceptional report today on Al-Anbar Province and included this on Fallujah:

Fallujah is an extremely conservative city even by Arab standards. Amariyah is about as hard-core as it gets. Even so, the jihad has nearly been vanquished. If it can't survive even here with American targets driving and walking around, it will be in serious trouble everywhere in the world, at least in the long run. Let's hope.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/

Moby
03-11-2008, 03:49 PM
Its about time you got on the bus SirMoby , now in regards to Bill's article , it came out of Damascus, wonder why he left that little detail out, but in fact people are not fleeing Iraq, we have won , Al-Qaeda is gone and the only running that's taking place is the Fallujah 5K road race
Frank, you're contradicting yourself again. You jumped on disruptor in another thread because he said that Al-Qaeda may not have behind an attack in Iraq. Now you're saying that they're gone from Iraq.

Who are we fighting there? The 80,000 strong Sons of Iraq that we're paying $800,000 a day for not attacking?

Frankg
03-11-2008, 10:34 PM
Ok SirMoby , there maybe remnants of Al-Qaeada left that still can do some damage but nowhere near the same levels as it was a couple of months ago , and still , you have no choice but to admit that the violence is decreasing , Iraq will be a democracy , or at least thier version of one , and the President George Walker Bush will go down as one of the greatest leaders in history


Who are we fighting there? The 80,000 strong Sons of Iraq that we're paying $800,000 a day for not attacking?

You still owe me link on this statement SirMoby

asroc
03-12-2008, 09:28 AM
you have no choice but to admit that the violence is decreasing

mass grave of 100+ found saturday, sigh

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/03/08/iraq.main/index.html

on top of the 70+ killed in bombings last week

Moby
03-12-2008, 12:54 PM
Ok SirMoby , there maybe remnants of Al-Qaeada left that still can do some damage but nowhere near the same levels as it was a couple of months ago , and still , you have no choice but to admit that the violence is decreasing , Iraq will be a democracy , or at least thier version of one , and the President George Walker Bush will go down as one of the greatest leaders in history


You still owe me link on this statement SirMoby
Frank, I've posted it a number of times and it's been spoken about for months. Here's the first link I found when searching for Sons of Iraq 80000
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-desk/2008/2/5/the-sons-of-iraq-keep-the-peace.html

Do you really want Iraq to be a democracy or do you want it to be pro USA? There's a big difference. Hamas was democratically elected. Musharraf was not. The Muslim Brotherhood would probably gain control of Egypt.

If we push for democracy then that means we need to stop manipulating the governments and the people of these countries. Including our own.

Moby
03-12-2008, 01:07 PM
Ok SirMoby , there maybe remnants of Al-Qaeada left that still can do some damage but nowhere near the same levels as it was a couple of months ago , and still , you have no choice but to admit that the violence is decreasing , Iraq will be a democracy , or at least thier version of one , and the President George Walker Bush will go down as one of the greatest leaders in history


You still owe me link on this statement SirMoby
Frank, here's what really concerns me about your thought process.

1. You know that we disbanded the military when we invaded.
2. You know that we hired the disbanded military when we started the surge.

Certainly you heard about those two things above.

What is it that you don't know about the situation? The amount of money that we're paying them or the number of fighters that we're paying?

Do you think that these people are working for the USA for free? Come on Frank. Think for your self and put 2 and 2 together.