I wonder where Spitzer got the money for $1000/hour hookers?

[Bill]

Since I'm not one to get excited about consensual adults screwing, the sex doesn't concern me so much.

Altho it does seem hypocritical for "Mr Clean" to be banging hookers - I'd be less disturbed if it was just some other woman.

However, from what I've read, politics and hookers are constant bedfellows, high priced hookers are the norm for all politicians everywhere.

But, I can't help but wonder, where did he get the money?

Who paid for it?

I gather expensive hookers are a common way to bribe politicians.

[Smurf-Herder]

These were professional escorts in a gold star VIP operation, connected with organized crime. They make up to $5000 per hour - not just $1000. The utter hypocricy of this guy is pathetic. He was brutal prosecuting prostitution when he was attorney general. And now he's trying to pass it off as a personal matter. He can't really do that, having violated the Man Act, by wiring money across state lines to facilitate a criminal venture; which is a felony. So much for the former Attorney General of NY.

[Bill]

It will be interesting to see how the story works out, as all the details emerge.

I wonder when we will find out who else was on the list? That seems like an inevitability.

The special election for Governor will be a hoot.

Bloomberg, maybe.

[disrupter]

Let's make sure we only elect castrated politicians.

My God, people, grow up & get a life.

Healthy people, especially males LIKE sex a LOT. If they don't they are probably not healthy.

Do we need more repressed, fucked up, neurotic, religious freaks in office?

i say no.

AND legalize, regulate & tax prostitution,
don't we have enough things feeding the criminal elements?
Let's get out of recession FAST.

[bigfootzx]

$3100 bucks, she must be a hottie. A stupid move by a Democrat!!!
I wonder which 'HO' Elliot chose?? This guy is smart enough to know better, yet he calls direct. I read a thread somewhere last year that suggested the smartest politicians would use a Aide to setup girl or buy one a throw away cell phone that gas stations sell with prepaid minutes. Actually the smartest politicians remain faithful to the spouse!!!

The Huffington Post uploaded pics of the girls, the heads are cropped off for obvious reasons, all pics are PG rated.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/emperors-club-all-about-_n_90768.html

[disrupter]

Spitzer couldn't help himself,

he actually has a pulse.

GOPs and vampires have no pulse.

[Smurf-Herder]

The latest is,

He paid the girl in one call $4300 ......... and others get up to $5500 an hour :thumbsup:

Another call was about "how many girls he could get" for his hotel room. (I wonder who was at that party)

Everything's on tape. :pokefun:

And he is a Super-delegate.

Also, I can't believe this guy's reckless arrogance. He made many enemies high up; using strong-arm tactics as AG in NY. This guy has to be an idiot to think he wouldn't get caught; with everybody knowing who he is. His ego was out of control.

"Hey Bambi, the Gov's coming over tonight - you know, Numer 9 !" :rolleyes: :banana:

[Bill]

Everything's on tape. :pokefun:

And he is a Super-delegate.

Also, I can't believe this guy's reckless arrogance. He made many enemies high up; using strong-arm tactics as AG in NY. This guy has to be an idiot to think he wouldn't get caught; with everybody knowing who he is. His ego was out of control.



Nice to see you being so even handed, and not stooping to attacking.

We see you protest attack only when it advantages your side to do so.

Then attack as soon as you see an opening.

Even tho it was a blue that first pointed out the probable bribery involved.

So, you can see why it's war to the knife.

And why we should ignore your protests about the mean blues as more black republican rhetoric. Because it's okay if you're republican.

[JCBoston11]

I think Bloomberg will either stay as an Independent or go back to Democrat. He will run for Governor.

Spitzer is basically done if he gets arrested, since he technically did commit a crime, with ample evidence.

Maybe if Hillary has any guts, she will run for Governor of NY.

[Smurf-Herder]

Nice to see you being so even handed, and not stooping to attacking.

We see you protest attack only when it advantages your side to do so.

Then attack as soon as you see an opening.

Even tho it was a blue that first pointed out the probable bribery involved.

So, you can see why it's war to the knife.

And why we should ignore your protests about the mean blues as more black republican rhetoric. Because it's okay if you're republican.

I'm merely talking about the man in the thread you started.

You're the one throwing party politics into this.

All I stated was the latest details I heard on it.

I can't help it if he's a Super-delegate. It's just a basic fact that hasn't been broadly mentioned. I just found out. I didn't make a comment on that factor; just the man himself. You just instinctively read partisan intent in it. It's you're problem, not mine.

Face it. You just can't stand anyone being talked about, unless they're Republican. Your subconscious programming won't allow it.

[disrupter]

Did he wear diapers?
David Vitter has a diaper fetish.
Bet he only hired cheap New Orleans prostitutes.

[Smurf-Herder]

According to Anderson Cooper, the girl's name is Kristen. She gets $1000 an hour and was paid $4300. Other sources say she was flown down from NY to Spitzer's hotel, while he was on a business trip in DC; with Spitzer paying for her air and cab fare.

Also according to Anderson Cooper 360, he registered at his hotel under the alias of John Fox. John Fox is the name of his biggest campaign contributer.

He's front page news in Europe this morning, according to CNN.

[Moby]

Let me get this straight.

It's OK for Vitter to hire hookers in a hotel that's being paid for by every one's money.
It's OK for Foley to hit on interns through federal tax payer dollars while he's writing legislation to stop pedos.
It's OK for Hastert to and other Republicans and even the ethics committee to cover up for Foley.

Now, it's terrible for a dem that wasn't elected by any of us here to hire a hooker?

Anyone that did not speak out against Hastert, Vitter, Foley, the Republican controlled ethics committee or the Neoconservative media that supported these sleezeballs can say nothing without proving their double standards.

Remember, the Republican President took spiritual advice every week from a man that hired a gay hooker.

You're living in glass house.

As Bill mentioned, it's not the act of fucking a hooker that is of any concern, the party of family values has made it quite clear that they support it. What is of concern is who's paying for it.

[Bill]

In any case, spitzer clearly must resign, and this case has to be even more completely investigated.

If spitzer took a bribe, or in same other way can't account for the money paid, he should go to jail. It's as simple as that.

I feel bad for the state of new york, but they are going to have to elect a new governor.

And investigate this case until all the skeletons have been revealed.

The issue is that laws were clearly broken, and dirty money may have been revealed.

My real interest is the possibility of bribery or corruption. Since I've been a libertarian for many years, it has never been my position that prostitution should be a crime, so I have less regard for that as an offense than a non-libertarian might.

But corruption should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. I beleive sentences for bribery and corruption should be much more severe than they usually are.

If this ends up being solely about the prostitution - well, like I said, I feel bad for the state of new york. It's their problem to deal with.

[bigfootzx]

Spitzer acted foolishly. I agree he should have been watching his back after sweeping the dirt off wall street, something Clinton didn't have the balls to do!!! But he did do Monica. Wonder if this Kristen chic has a stained dress??

What gets me about Spitzer is that he has many aids, interns and plenty of women on staff to pursue and he thinks a prositute is a safe way to get laid.
Either route is career suicide!

Maybe he should have found one of the "Kept Women mistress" websites, you pay for their lifestyle, rent, car etc..... and its all hush hush. Legal till the wife finds out and not quite as scandalous.

[bigfootzx]

Let me get this straight.

It's OK for Vitter to hire hookers in a hotel that's being paid for by every one's money.
It's OK for Foley to hit on interns through federal tax payer dollars while he's writing legislation to stop pedos.
It's OK for Hastert to and other Republicans and even the ethics committee to cover up for Foley.

Now, it's terrible for a dem that wasn't elected by any of us here to hire a hooker?

Anyone that did not speak out against Hastert, Vitter, Foley, the Republican controlled ethics committee or the Neoconservative media that supported these sleezeballs can say nothing without proving their double standards.

Remember, the Republican President took spiritual advice every week from a man that hired a gay hooker.

You're living in glass house.

As Bill mentioned, it's not the act of fucking a hooker that is of any concern, the party of family values has made it quite clear that they support it. What is of concern is who's paying for it.

Well said, all bus who hire hookers and use govt. money are far worse than those whouse thier own money. Both crimes are eqaully bad regardess of which party they kiss ass too.

[Bill]

smoking gun...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0310082spitzer1.html

So, all this happened around valentines day. And sounds like he was into a little bum sex.

Now, I've read that high priced hookers and politics are always found together - but you rarely see a pol get caught this bad.

It's a spectacular fall.

I didn't realize his VP will take his office - no special election necessary.

Even tho they've been showing his VP, a blind black man, on TV all day long - I didn't catch the significance.

[Smurf-Herder]

Let me get this straight.

It's OK for Vitter to hire hookers in a hotel that's being paid for by every one's money.
It's OK for Foley to hit on interns through federal tax payer dollars while he's writing legislation to stop pedos.
It's OK for Hastert to and other Republicans and even the ethics committee to cover up for Foley.

Now, it's terrible for a dem that wasn't elected by any of us here to hire a hooker?

Anyone that did not speak out against Hastert, Vitter, Foley, the Republican controlled ethics committee or the Neoconservative media that supported these sleezeballs can say nothing without proving their double standards.

Remember, the Republican President took spiritual advice every week from a man that hired a gay hooker.

You're living in glass house.

As Bill mentioned, it's not the act of fucking a hooker that is of any concern, the party of family values has made it quite clear that they support it. What is of concern is who's paying for it.

I never said what the Republicans did was okay. If anybody's guilty of something like this on either side, I say throw the bum out.

But in this case, you have a long-running FBI investigation, federal wire taps, money laundering, etc., of organized crime running this escort service. This guy was Attorney General of NY for eight years, who knows the law inside out; and was so aggressive in his prosecutions and attitude as AG, even his friends won't stand by him anymore. And transporting a prostitute across state lines is a federal crime, punishable by five years in prison and heavy fines. BTW, it was a train, not a plane. And it wasn't the first time. One of the Emporer Clubs managers told Kristen he'd pay for her travel expenses, "just like in the past". This guy is Governor of NY - the highest ranking Law Official in the state; now the subject of a NY Internal Corruption Unit investigation; as well as the FBI and IRS.

[disrupter]

It is his personal life. [although technically prostitution is illegal, which i think should be legal]

It is between him & his family.

The law is a hypocritical & downright stupid ass.

But people love to wallow in someone else's scandal, tragedy or misery, or to suck up to someone's fabulous success no matter how corruptly they acquired it.
People are disintegrated trash. By that i mean the public at large.
They fail to distinguish when they & their children are looted for Trillions of dollars, but they get hysterical over something that is barely any business of theirs at all.

This is where the human perfect xerox mentality breaks down as a system completely.
No structural soundness, no integrity, NO SENSE OF PROPORTION OR RELATIVE SIGNIFICANCE.

This is shrill & stupid, & we, the pubic will lose a man, who's public life has done us all a great deal of good.
And worse we will be left with all the religiously deluded psychos & the lowest, slimiest greed mongers that run throughout the halls of power.

I am reticent to say it, but i think this is sort of a female thing.
They have such ridiculously high, perfect expectations of males.
When women get together these expectations escalate to infinity.
Of course that said sometimes it is caging males in those high expectations that make them better people than they otherwise would be.
Like being a stable head of household & hopefully a good father.
While one doesn't want to encourage extramarital sex, I DON'T want to see us get hysterical when it does happen.
One must allow other people room to breathe.
Suffocating, perfect expectations can only bring pain or end in tragedy.

Here we see what should be a smaller failing in life being amplified into complete tragedy, by suffocating, perfect expectations.

The public eye is mercilessly stupid.

[Smurf-Herder]

No, this isn't a personal thing. It involves a full investigation of his possible connections with organized crime, money laundering and tax fraud.

Official: Cash Triggered Spitzer Probe
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8VB7N800&show_article=1

"NEW YORK (AP) - A law enforcement official says New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's role in a prostitution scandal grew out of a public corruption inquiry triggered by his movement of cash to bank accounts operated by the call-girl ring.
The law enforcement source spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Tuesday because of the sensitivity of the investigation.

The official says Spitzer was the initial target of the investigation and was tracked using court-ordered wiretaps, but possible charges against Spitzer have not been decided."

[Cat slave]

Since I'm not one to get excited about consensual adults screwing, the sex doesn't concern me so much.

Altho it does seem hypocritical for "Mr Clean" to be banging hookers - I'd be less disturbed if it was just some other woman.

However, from what I've read, politics and hookers are constant bedfellows, high priced hookers are the norm for all politicians everywhere.

But, I can't help but wonder, where did he get the money?

Who paid for it?

I gather expensive hookers are a common way to bribe politicians.

He probably got lots of money for his failed attempt to get hoardes of illegals
drivers licenses. Sounds profitable to me. Hes an crook if ever I saw one.
Im sure his pockets were well lined with the dl issue. Look how hard he fought. I doubt that he had any altruistic motivation for his fights!

[asroc]

the lieutenant governor guy (forget his name) is legally blind, meaning he can see but not well enough to drive or probably read.

[UserName]

I haven't heard all the details, but at least he wasn't buggering little boys while on the job, or going home to molest his children, or trying to pick up men in the airport restroom. He may be ruined, but at least his sexual tendencies seem to be normal.

[Moby]

I never said what the Republicans did was okay. If anybody's guilty of something like this on either side, I say throw the bum out.

Did you speak out against Bush when his weekly spiritual advisor was found to be hiring gay hookers?
Did you speak out against Dennis Hastert, Mark Fowly, Vitter, .....

You spoke out against a dem.

That's were voters need to change. It's either right or it's wrong. It shouldn't be, if my party does it it's OK. That's what happened in Nazi Germany.

[Bill]

So, they were hunting spitzer for months.

they didn't just stumble on this, which early reports suggested.

Still no answers as to where the money came from.

But, this article says they hunted him specifically.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4424507&page=1

It was only months later that the IRS and the FBI determined that Spitzer wasn't hiding bribes but payments to a company called QAT, what prosecutors say is a prostitution operation operating under the name of the Emperor's Club.

As recently as this past Valentine's Day, Feb. 13, Spitzer, who officials say is identified in a federal complaint as "Client 9," arranged for a prostitute "Kristen" to meet him in Washington, D.C.

The woman met Client 9 at the Mayflower Hotel, room 871, "for her tryst," according to the complaint. Client 9 also is alleged to have paid for the woman's train tickets, cab fare, mini bar and room service, travel time and hotel.

The suspicious financial activity was initially reported by a bank to the IRS which, under direction from the Justice Department, brought in the FBI's Public Corruption Squad.

"We had no interest at all in the prostitution ring until the thing with Spitzer led us to learn about it," said one Justice Department official.

Spitzer, who made his name by bringing high-profile cases against many of New York's financial giants, is likely to be prosecuted under a relatively obscure statute called "structuring," according to a Justice Department official.

Structuring involves creating a series of financial movements designed to obscure the true purpose of the payments.

Prosecutors reportedly have a series of e-mails and wiretapped phone conversations of Spitzer.

In a interview two years ago, Spitzer, then-attorney general, told ABC News he had some advice for people who break the law. "Never talk when you can nod, and never nod when you can wink, and never write an e-mail because it's death. You're giving prosecutors all the evidence we need," he said.

[Smurf-Herder]

Did you speak out against Bush when his weekly spiritual advisor was found to be hiring gay hookers?
Did you speak out against Dennis Hastert, Mark Fowly, Vitter, .....

You spoke out against a dem.

That's were voters need to change. It's either right or it's wrong. It shouldn't be, if my party does it it's OK. That's what happened in Nazi Germany.


I wasn't a member of this board during most of that. I only joined this board when the one I was on got sold; and didn't bother to rejoin because I was the ONLY conservative there. Virtually everybody was a "Disrupter" to the point where the other rational people got sick of it and left.

[Smurf-Herder]

So, they were hunting spitzer for months.

they didn't just stumble on this, which early reports suggested.

Still no answers as to where the money came from.

But, this article says they hunted him specifically.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4424507&page=1

We may never know. It's been reported a possible plea bargain may settle for his resignation. Not confirmed, but I saw somewhere where this might have been going on for six years; which I believe would mean he was laundering money and seeing escorts while he was Attorney General, if that's true.

[disrupter]

Smurfy,
thank you for letting me know i am such a thorn in your side.
You have brought a bright point to my day.

:D

thanks, sweetie.

[Bill]

A plea bargain would be about as shady as it gets.

And as far as I'm concerned, that would be proof that this was a political hit job. He either committed a crime and should go to jail, or he didn't.

There shouldn't be a third option - "Shut up and dissappear and we'll leave it at that.".

But he probably has dirt on a lot of people - they want to hush him up.

If he doesn't go to jail - we'll, that's pretty much politics in a nutshell.

Coverups and corruption.

[disrupter]

Democrats have to be humiliated & punished for crimes of indiscretion,

while NeoCrooks get away with treason.

[Smurf-Herder]

Democrats have to be humiliated & punished for crimes of indiscretion,

while NeoCrooks get away with treason.



Money laundering isn't an crime of indiscretion, btw. It' a felony.

How about Congressman Willian Jefferson, who still hasn't been prosecuted for receiving $100,000 in bribes from foreign governments?

[Smurf-Herder]

Smurfy,
thank you for letting me know i am such a thorn in your side.
You have brought a bright point to my day.

:D

thanks, sweetie.

Yup, you're the official mascot.

Like "Tardo" - a sicko friend of a friend's cat that they fed acid to, while he was a bog-worker.

[Smurf-Herder]

Holy Shit!

Check this out:

Spitzer May Have Spent Tens of Thousands
By MICHAEL GORMLEY – 33 minutes ago

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — With pressure mounting on Gov. Eliot Spitzer to resign over a call-girl scandal, investigators said Tuesday he was clearly a repeat customer who spent tens of thousands of dollars — perhaps as much as $80,000 — with the high-priced prostitution service over an extended period of time.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gvseu7uDYI9vGyMHJCo51IdS-4twD8VBG9NG0

[Smurf-Herder]

Spitzer Escort: Governor Was a Nice Guy, Good Tipper

"A 22-year-old escort found on another call-girl Web site told ABC News in a phone interview that Gov. Eliot Spitzer had been one of her customers two years ago when he was New York attorney general and that he was a nice guy who tipped well."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4432335&page=1

If he's guilty of money-laundering between $40,000-$80,000 (especially as an Attorney General of NY) I agree with Bill - this guy needs some prison time.

[Smurf-Herder]

Now it turns out it could have been up to ten years. Most of the time he was Attorney General; while mercilessly prosecuting prostitution rings. Makes you wonder if he was on the take and just eliminating the competition of those who "he was friends with".

I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to commit suicide after all this.

[Cat slave]

I read where he had multiple "shell" accounts through which he moved money...
isnt that laundering???

[bigfootzx]

A plea bargain would be about as shady as it gets.

And as far as I'm concerned, that would be proof that this was a political hit job. He either committed a crime and should go to jail, or he didn't.

There shouldn't be a third option - "Shut up and dissappear and we'll leave it at that.".

But he probably has dirt on a lot of people - they want to hush him up.

If he doesn't go to jail - we'll, that's pretty much politics in a nutshell.

Coverups and corruption.

I wonder if the plea bargin covers state prosecution too, Spitzer has many enemies on wall street? The sharks are circling and I think a resignation is not enough. This guy prosecuted several protitution rings and now he is a "John", somebody is chum the waters so they all can get a piece of this guy.

[bigfootzx]

David Letterman announces his "Top 10 Eliot Spitzer Excuses". The list goes as follows:

10. Oh, come on. Like you were never involved in a prostitution ring.

9. Hookers is fun.

8. Just trying to help the economy.

7. Have you ever been to Albany?

6. It's part of my new MTV prank show "Spitz'd."

5. Haven't been myself since Roy Scheider died.

4. Uh, tainted beef?

3. Whether it's a hooker or your wife, you're always paying for it...you married fellows know what I'm talking about.

2. Wanted to be known as the Charlie Sheen of politics.

1. I thought Bill Clinton legalized this years ago.

[Bill]

NYT says Spitzer worked for and passed one of the toughest anti-john laws of any state - under the theory that going after the johns was the way to control prostitution.

If he doesn't get punished under his own law, something will have gone very wrong with justice.

So, even if they try to get him to shut uip with a deal under the federal offense, new york should still prosecute him as a john.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/nyregion/12prostitute.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

As New York’s attorney general, Eliot Spitzer had broken up prostitution rings before, but this 2004 case took on a special urgency for him. Prosecuting an international sex tourism business based in Queens, he listened to the entreaties of women’s advocates long frustrated by state laws that fell short of dealing with a sex trade expanding rapidly across borders.

And with his typical zeal, he embraced their push for new legislation, including a novel idea at its heart: Go after the men who seek out prostitutes.

It was a question of supply and demand, they all agreed. And one effective way to suppress the demand was to raise the penalties for patronizing a prostitute. In his first months as governor last year, Mr. Spitzer signed the bill into law.

Now the human rights groups, which credit him with what they call the toughest and most comprehensive anti-sex-trade law in the nation, are in shock. Mr. Spitzer stands accused of being one of the very men his law was designed to catch and punish.

“It leaves those of us who worked with his office absolutely feeling betrayed,” said Dorchen Leidholdt, director of Sanctuary for Families Legal Services, one of the leaders of the coalition that drafted the legislation.

The law, which went into effect Nov. 1, mainly deals with redefining and prosecuting forms of human trafficking, which Governor Spitzer called “modern-day slavery.” It offers help to the women who are victims of the practice, rather than treating them as participants in crime.

But it also lays the groundwork for a more aggressive crackdown on demand, by increasing the penalty for patronizing a prostitute, a misdemeanor, to up to a year in jail, from a maximum of three months.

That was a key shift in approach for New York State, and one the governor and his top aides seemed to support wholeheartedly, said Ken Franzblau, now director of the law’s implementation at the State Division of Criminal Justice Services. Generally, the law and its enforcers focus on pimps and prostitutes, and treat customers as an afterthought.

[Smurf-Herder]

I read where he had multiple "shell" accounts through which he moved money...
isnt that laundering???

Yes.

Between $40,000-$80,000 over a period of six to ten years; part of that time while being State Attorney General. As well as facilitating a woman being transported across state lines for the purpose of prostitution, which is a violation of the Man Act.

Just on what we know so far, he could get 5-10 years in federal prison.

His other big claim to fame, aside from being called "Elliot Ness" for his abusive strong-armed law enforcement tactics, was pushing driver's licenses for illegal aliens. Considering the connection with organized crime and the Emporer Club and who Spitzer was and the money laundering, it tends to call into question his motives for everything, all his financial dealings and how far his corruption went.