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Bill
03-10-2008, 05:53 AM
"44 Southern Baptist leaders have decided to back a declaration calling for more action on climate change, saying its previous position on the issue was “too timid.”".

Good for them.

It's too late to realistically stop climate change before it affects the planetary economy, and arguably humans are incapable of unifying to act effectively on the matter anyway.

However, research and development and technological experimentation will benefit everyone anyway. Because, no matter what, we need to study methods to generate energy that don't depend on fossil carbon, as fossil carbon is by definition a limited resource.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/us/10baptist.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

Signaling a significant departure from the Southern Baptist Convention’s official stance on global warming, 44 Southern Baptist leaders have decided to back a declaration calling for more action on climate change, saying its previous position on the issue was “too timid.”

The largest denomination in the United States after the Roman Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, with more than 16 million members, is politically and theologically conservative.

Yet its current president, the Rev. Frank Page, signed the initiative, “A Southern Baptist Declaration on the Environment and Climate Change.” Two past presidents of the convention, the Rev. Jack Graham and the Rev. James Merritt, also signed.

“We believe our current denominational engagement with these issues has often been too timid, failing to produce a unified moral voice,” the church leaders wrote in their new declaration.

A 2007 resolution passed by the convention hewed to a more skeptical view of global warming.

In contrast, the new declaration, which will be released Monday, states, “Our cautious response to these issues in the face of mounting evidence may be seen by the world as uncaring, reckless and ill-informed.”

The document also urges ministers to preach more about the environment and for all Baptists to keep an open mind about considering environmental policy.

Moby
03-10-2008, 11:50 AM
That last line is a shocker and an amazing step in liberating the population.
for all Baptists to keep an open mind
Good for them.

disrupter
03-10-2008, 02:57 PM
If we start acting now we may just have a disaster instead of a Mass Extinction.

Certainly that is a difference worth the effort?

Unless you are some kind of suicidal religion or person, and you care about the future of the planet, people & life you have to want to avoid this.

Of course some fundamentalist branches of Christianity, Islam & Judaism are so focused on the mythical 'afterlife' that they are suiciding themselves & attempting to drag the rest of us along with them.
They really are a bunch of psychos.
If you are a person who only cares about 'god' and not people, since you are actually a person you are debasing yourself. It's a kind of insanity.

Bill
03-10-2008, 06:15 PM
If we start acting now we may just have a disaster instead of a Mass Extinction.

Certainly that is a difference worth the effort?.

Sure, it would be worth it.

I just don't believe it's possible.

I don't believe americans will reduce fossil carbon use if the rest of the world doesn't.

And the rest of the world won't, because they will justifiably thnk, "Why should american have all the advantages of fossil fuels, while we live in the dirt?".

And, I tend to agree with people like Lovelock and Hansen - that it's too late. We've crossed the tipping point.

But, wether or not we've crossed the tipping point, I don't have faith that humans can act from long term interests, when there is so much short term pressure and inequity.

I especially don't believe americans would make the cutbacks necessary. We've becoem a nation of soft, frightened people, with zero survival skills.

We can't give up the oil lifestyle.

And the republicans in particular won't give it up. They believe GOD ordained them to burn the oil and drive the Hummer.

Without the Hummer, they feel they are nothing.

disrupter
03-10-2008, 07:28 PM
newsflash to GOP

WITH the hummer you are nothing,

makes no difference.

nothing is still nothing.

Bill
03-10-2008, 07:40 PM
To be fair, plenty of rich dems drive equally ridiculous vehicles.

The hummer is a conveinient symbol, but technically, there aren't that many of them, compared to the number of soccer mom SUVs.

disrupter
03-10-2008, 07:56 PM
People live & suffer, just to make sure they are invulnerable to psychological effronteries, aka social pressures, ridicule.

Just insane the level we often operate on.

Frightening.