Trust Telecom Immunity? FBI admits more privacy violations.

[disrupter]

More FBI privacy violations confirmed

By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer Wed Mar 5, 12:51 PM ET

WASHINGTON - The FBI improperly used national security letters in 2006 to obtain personal data on Americans during terror and spy investigations, Director Robert Mueller said Wednesday.

Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee that the privacy breach by FBI agents and lawyers occurred a year before the bureau enacted sweeping new reforms to prevent future lapses.

Details on the abuses will be outlined in the coming days in a report by the Justice Department's inspector general.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080305/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/senate_fbi;_ylt=AgkF5RS7GDiIoO1g8juTs0Ks0NUE

and we are supposed to go along when the NSA, Whitehouse & congress say, 'trust us'?

Come on American people, what are you thinking?
Giving away the civil liberties your forefathers fought for to a bunch of criminals & fools?

There was a law,
they just couldn't be bothered to follow it.

Tell that to the next traffic cop who stops you.

Don't put your government or conspiring corporations above the law, like they are trying to get.

[bigfootzx]

"National security letters, as outlined in the USA Patriot Act, are administrative subpoenas used in suspected terrorism and espionage cases. They allow the FBI to require telephone companies, Internet service providers, banks, credit bureaus and other businesses to produce highly personal records about their customers or subscribers without a judge's approval."

So they need to investigate each request and the agents who made the request. Some of the suspects will check out as potential terrorists and or supporters. It was a necessary evil after Sept. 11. We all know there could be more terrorists out there and some are now American born as have been reported.

As for administrative subpoenas that do no check out as legititmate suspects, we need to punish the agents and set the standards high enough so that future suspects are investigated properly.

I will not support protecting terrorists from being investigated!!!! Some of you people act as if there is no problem. Whiners at the ACLU are using this as additional leverage to open the doors to a national security practice that they have no legal right to challenge, fuck'em.

[disrupter]

Fuck that shit.

they can investigate terrorists any day of the week,
they just, by law, have to get a warrant.

they couldn't be bothered to follow the law,
they made themselves outlaws,

now you want to legalize outlaw behavior.

Shame on you.
Shame on you for a thousand years of struggle to achieve some semblance of righteous law.

Twisted, bent, corrupt legislation does not equate to righteous law.

You spurn your own forefathers who knew the value & importance of civil liberties & fought & died for it.

What are you, some kind of faggot queer?
waiting to be sodomized so some big political gangster can 'protect' you?

You are a shrill screaming girl ready to whore yourself out to the first available passing stranger.

[Smurf-Herder]

Something I posted on the AmateurMasters.com board (now defunct) back in 2006 was along these lines. Unfortunately everyone ignored my posting it. It probably threw them off because they couldn't call me a nazi for it - something they got-off on doing repeatedly, for stating my views. (I was the only conservative among extreme leftist amateur porn site owners and cam girls.)

Loose cannons had been abusing provisions of the Patriot Act along these lines; particularly the "sneak & peek" provision. Going after domestic crime cases without proper warrants, by classifying the cases as terrorism-related. Two examples of this involved the case where a woman stole an unborn baby from a pregnant woman by cutting the baby out of her womb, and a case where pot was being smuggled across the Canadian border through a tunnel. Nobody cared because it wasn't what they wanted to bitch about; and nobody wanted to be attacked by the others for agreeing with me - which did happen on a few occasions, when I was debating some who were reasonable.

The point is, the FBI is full of loose cannons, who need to be weeded out and dealt with. But I still support the NSA program, as they're not the FBI; and there is a need to keep tabs on "real" terrorism.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[disrupter]

So the FBI is wicked & the NSA & Whitehouse are saints?

The Saints who drug us into Iraq with distortions & lies?

What prescription or illegal drugs are you on?

[Smurf-Herder]

What are you, some kind of faggot queer?
waiting to be sodomized so some big political gangster can 'protect' you?



Grow up!

So now you're being derrogatory against gays?

I have gay friends and they'd be all over you for the way you express your ignorance.

And that's a pretty redundant use of terms as well (faggot queer). Who taught you how to talk?

[disrupter]

I am gay,
i took liberties,
goodness knows i have heard that same shit from a bunch of staunch heteros [or faking closet gays] all my life.

get used to it baby.
suck my butt.

[bigfootzx]

I am gay,
i took liberties,
goodness knows i have heard that same shit from a bunch of staunch heteros [or faking closet gays] all my life.

get used to it baby.
suck my butt.

I think you are the first person in your family to actually walk upright and make it out of the caves!!! You are wrong as usual!!!

[disrupter]

i am wrong about my being gay?

Tell it to my hard dick.

I think you are dizzy & incoherent.

[bigfootzx]

i am wrong about my being gay?

Tell it to my hard dick.

I think you are dizzy & incoherent.

Are you related to RadioGuy, dirty minded fool????

Post your address and maybe some gay guys will educate you on what is appropriate?
Maybe you are gay, you keep on talking about it???

[Smurf-Herder]

I am gay,
i took liberties,


I doubt it.

Not with the way you said that to Big, as an insult.

Who's your favorite (deceased) lead singer?

[disrupter]

Not sure who would be my fave, but Luther VanDross would certainly be up there.

Is that cliche' enough for you?

[Smurf-Herder]

Not sure who would be my fave, but Luther VanDross would certainly be up there.

Is that cliche' enough for you?

Freddie Mercury is an icon to the gay community.

[disrupter]

I like 'Another One Bites the Dust'
Queen has interesting stuff, but it is not really my mainstay.

who knows, maybe i am black?
in cyber you can never be absolutely certain.

If anyone has ANY doubt about it,
AT&T has been caught with a spyroom with router hardware specifically designed to split off a signal from the entire domestic phone traffic & shoot it to a super computer.

The basic software they are certainly using used to be called CARNIVORE, but has been re-named DCS1000 to give it an innocuous, disarming facade.

There is no doubt they are datamining the entire domestic land lines & internet traffic.

How scrupulously they are adhering to only terrorism is in question.
Usually these thing degenerate into political blackmail.

The patriot act provisions got used for drug & other crimes & no mention for actual terrorism.

When no one keeps an eye on things they just degenerate, degenerate further & then go to complete corruption & crime.

And guess what, you pay for it with your tax dollars,
all of that illegal spying.
While corporations who the NSA is embedded with duck their taxes with PO Boxes in the Bahamas.

Doesn't America make you feel good?

Gives me the creeps.

[Smurf-Herder]

I like 'Another One Bites the Dust'
Queen has interesting stuff, but it is not really my mainstay.

who knows, maybe i am black?
in cyber you can never be absolutely certain.

If anyone has ANY doubt about it,
AT&T has been caught with a spyroom with router hardware specifically designed to split off a signal from the entire domestic phone traffic & shoot it to a super computer.

The basic software they are certainly using used to be called CARNIVORE, but has been re-named DCS1000 to give it an innocuous, disarming facade.

There is no doubt they are datamining the entire domestic land lines & internet traffic.

How scrupulously they are adhering to only terrorism is in question.
Usually these thing degenerate into political blackmail.

The patriot act provisions got used for drug & other crimes & no mention for actual terrorism.

When no one keeps an eye on things they just degenerate, degenerate further & then go to complete corruption & crime.

And guess what, you pay for it with your tax dollars,
all of that illegal spying.
While corporations who the NSA is embedded with duck their taxes with PO Boxes in the Bahamas.

Doesn't America make you feel good?

Gives me the creeps.

Isn't Carnivore a sub-program of Echelon?

[bigfootzx]

Isn't Carnivore a sub-program of Echelon?

The FBI runs Carnivore, as for the who engineered the software, who knows.
I never checked to see if the 2 programs were mastereed by the same people. Echelon was primilary a blackbox program developed in house by the NSA.

[Smurf-Herder]

Ah, I found some interesting things that Disrupter needs to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(FBI)

"Implemented during the Clinton administration with the approval of Attorney General Janet Reno, Carnivore is a system implemented by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that is analogous to wiretapping, except in this case, e-mail and other communications are being tapped instead of telephone conversations. Carnivore is a customizable packet sniffer that can monitor all of a target user's Internet traffic. It is a form of policeware. U.S. government officials have neither confirmed nor denied much about the physical or logical workings of Carnivore, but there are some facts that are generally agreed upon."

"The Carnivore device works much like commercial "sniffers" and other network diagnostic tools used by ISPs every day, except that it provides the FBI with a unique ability to distinguish between communications which may be lawfully intercepted and those which may not. For example, if a court order provides for the lawful interception of one type of communication (e.g., e-mail), but excludes all other communications (e.g., online shopping) the Carnivore tool can be configured to intercept only those e-mails being transmitted either to or from the named subject. ... [it] is a very specialized network analyzer or "sniffer" which runs as an application program on a normal personal computer under the Microsoft Windows operating system. It works by "sniffing" the proper portions of network packets and copying and storing only those packets which match a finely defined filter set programmed in conformity with the court order. This filter set can be extremely complex, and this provides the FBI with an ability to collect transmissions which comply with pen register court orders, trap & trace court orders, Title III interception orders, etc.... ...It is important to distinguish now what is meant by "sniffing." The problem of discriminating between users' messages on the Internet is a complex one. However, this is exactly what Carnivore does. It does NOT search through the contents of every message and collect those that contain certain key words like "bomb" or "drugs." It selects messages based on criteria expressly set out in the court order, for example, messages transmitted to or from a particular account or to or from a particular user."

[disrupter]

I searches through EVERY SINGLE INTERNET PACKET & EVERY SINGLE PHONE CALL YOU MAKE.

It rifles through EVERYTHING.

NOW it is 'trust us'.
The FBI is getting reprimanded for vastly overstepping unwarranted use of national security letters,

The Same FBI notorious for using blackmail under its founder J. Edgar Hoover.

The very people that caused the outrage for getting FISA passed in the first place after Hoover kicked the bucket.

The same law enforcement agencies that used the provisions of the so-called 'patriot' act against to entrap people for other violations & not against any terrorists.

NOW keep in mind the NSA HAS NO OVERSIGHT WHAT-SO-EVER.
This is the organization that has broken laws to overthrow foreign democratically elected governments,
assassinated democratically elected officials so they could install someone who would sell out their nation to an overload of bogus foreign debt.

The NSA is a GANGSTER organization.
Corporate organized crime.
THEY are the ones undermining the entire American system,
letting corporations duck taxes while you and your children pay for the privilege of getting ripped off.

[bigfootzx]

I searches through EVERY SINGLE INTERNET PACKET & EVERY SINGLE PHONE CALL YOU MAKE.

It rifles through EVERYTHING.

NOW it is 'trust us'.
The FBI is getting reprimanded for vastly overstepping unwarranted use of national security letters,

The Same FBI notorious for using blackmail under its founder J. Edgar Hoover.

The very people that caused the outrage for getting FISA passed in the first place after Hoover kicked the bucket.

The same law enforcement agencies that used the provisions of the so-called 'patriot' act against to entrap people for other violations & not against any terrorists.

NOW keep in mind the NSA HAS NO OVERSIGHT WHAT-SO-EVER.
This is the organization that has broken laws to overthrow foreign democratically elected governments,
assassinated democratically elected officials so they could install someone who would sell out their nation to an overload of bogus foreign debt.

The NSA is a GANGSTER organization.
Corporate organized crime.
THEY are the ones undermining the entire American system,
letting corporations duck taxes while you and your children pay for the privilege of getting ripped off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(FBI)
"in mid-January 2005 that the FBI has essentially abandoned the use of Carnivore in 2001, in favor of commercially available software."

The NSA has Senate Intellegence Committee oversight as well as special committees as warranted by majority vote.

The FBI has to produce documentation for every search. I don't doubt they crossed the line from time to time, but no one has ever brought forth proof of what they snooped for so its a big secret and I doubt Clinton and Reno want pandora's box opened any more than Bush does.

Blame Clinton and Janet Reno, they thought it was necessary.

[disrupter]

No it just re-named it DCS1000.

The NSA doesn't have to produce anything, the congress lets them do anything.
The CIA is now being allowed to torture people by Bush & OBSTRUCTIONIST members of the GOP.

There is little if any oversight.
A recipe for degeneration into the depths of depravity & criminality.

They are nothing but 'official' government gangsters,
& people like you want to give the gangsters a free pass.
I guess the same thing happens with the Mafia,
it has a bunch of people like you who go along with it & even give it verbal support.

[bigfootzx]

I'm not aware of the NSA not having oversight, so maybe your ego and opinion are working this response. No agency gets funded without oversight.
Clandestine operations fall under national security laws/guidelines. Maybe if they published details about successes from NSA snooping USA communications traffic? Declassify data gathered from 1990 thru 1995 and share successful findings ?

[disrupter]

They are called 'black' projects & operations.

the 2.3 Trillion Dollars Rumsfeld mentioned was missing from the Pentagon budget.

2.3 Trillion Dollars.